So they're fighting in baseball stadiums? How many of those stadiums you listed have had a fight in the past 5 years?
So they're fighting in baseball stadiums? How many of those stadiums you listed have had a fight in the past 5 years?
Yankee Stadium
Held fights?
Yes
The Spectrum in Philly
Held fights?
Yes
List could go on endlessly
Yes
If there are more fighters,and more venues that can hold fights,sooner or later you will fight in the States
Fenster wants exclusion of every fighter who's fought in the states,well guess where the money is,in the states
Endlessly? Really? Let's see you name more then 5 of the stadiums you listed that have had cards within the last 10 years. That's the only way anything you posted is at all relevant to the discussion.
Using those rules, Yankee Stadium wouldn't count. Neither would any of those. Please this is nonsense dribble ruining a fairly interesting topic.
Last edited by Fenster; 02-09-2009 at 10:10 PM.
3-Time SADDO PREDICTION COMP CHAMPION.
MSG would be in there,just recently scheduled
2009-05-07Main Street Armory, Rochester, New York, United States
2009-05-02MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States
2009-05-01Blue Horizon, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
2009-04-25The Village, Little Rock, Arkansas, United States
2009-04-11Mandalay Bay Resort & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States
2009-04-11Woodlands Resort, Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, United States
2009-04-11City Armory, Lynchburg, Virginia, United States
2009-04-10Morongo Casino Resort & Spa, Cabazon, California, United States
2009-04-04Texas, United States
2009-04-04Masonic Temple, Norfolk, Virginia, United States
2009-04-03Amelia Island, Fernandina Beach, Florida, United States
2009-03-28Red & Jerrys, Denver, Colorado, United States
2009-03-28Grand Casino, Hinckley, Minnesota, United States
2009-03-28Harlingen Field, Harlingen, Texas, United States
2009-03-27United States
2009-03-27A La Carte Event Pavilion, Tampa, Florida, United States
2009-03-21Playboy Mansion, Beverly Hills, California, United States
2009-03-21Civic Center, Pensacola, Florida, United States
2009-03-21Ramada Inn, Saint Joseph, Missouri, United States
2009-03-16Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, United States
2009-03-14Dorchester Armory, Dorchester, Massachusetts, United States
Back to the topic at hand, when did Calzaghe and Hatton crack the P4P lists? Surely Joe made it before fighting Hopkins and Hatton never fought stateside until he fought Collazo. I'm not sure if he was on the P4P lists by that time or not but I'm fairly confident he was.
Abraham doesn't really have a case to be on the P4P list because the only guy he has beaten that opens any eyes is Miranda. Ivan Calderon was at the 10 spot in the January issue which I have right now. He may have fought in the US before but he's definitely a Puerto Rico based fighter.
Actually, I'll go ahead and list the guys in the Ring 100 who haven't fought in America or who at least aren't American based.
10. Calderon
18. Abraham
19. John
20. Kessler
23. Hasegawa
32. Naito
35. Haye
37. Gonzalez
43. Pongslakek
44. Sakata
45. Erdei
48. Valero
Those are it for the top 50. I think most of those are about right but there are some American fighters who probably are to high up on the list like Pavlik at 11.
Last edited by amat; 02-09-2009 at 10:21 PM.
Last edited by Fenster; 02-09-2009 at 10:47 PM.
3-Time SADDO PREDICTION COMP CHAMPION.
Hatton after beating Tszyu and Calzaghe when he beat Lacy.
I was just trying to show how crap P4P is. But really it just highlighted America is the daddy of boxing. Without a connection to the States a fighter will never get recognition.
Fair enough. That's the way she goes... most top fighters want to fight in the States anyway.
3-Time SADDO PREDICTION COMP CHAMPION.
Stop with the bigger venues crap. Germany, Britain, Japan they fight in front of huge audiences. MOST big fights happen in Vegas.
Ive shown you DON'T need to fight in the States to be P4P ranked.
America has the glamour the glitz and pizzazz, so naturally will produce popular fighters who inturn will become P4P rated.
Last edited by Fenster; 02-09-2009 at 10:48 PM.
3-Time SADDO PREDICTION COMP CHAMPION.
i think UK can create their own P4P list... why bother US P4P list if you don't agree with it.. Lets get real here, lots of big fights happen in america, im not saying happening only in america. If you dont fight in US how are they going to rate you? same goes to UK and other countries. So go on create your UK P4P myth list nobody is going to stop you guys anyway.. stop this America bias crap..
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