If pac beats pbf is there nothing more to prove for him?

[mad_takamura]

Even if pac loses 10x after a win against pbf, believe me, it won't matter!

And the scenario in the boxing web sites:haters will be minimized, so are these pacfans who believe pac is through with his legacy with a win over pbf.
Pachaters and pacfans will gradually be spectators than contributors on every boxing sites coz that's what i'll see. A great chapter of pac's great journey is good to say aas "over." Save some threads savoring of what he has done even if he continues to fight after a win against pbf, even if he losses.. Even if he will have future fights after a pbf win, he had basically finished his career, nothing more to prove after that.
A 3rd fight with jmm doe'snt seem logical. Pac will beat him in the higher weight classes and i'm willing to bet that. Pac would fight jmm in the 147 pnd's im sure coz pbf proved he do'nt have business there!
A fight with mosley? If pac wins what credit would he have? Mosley will again be discredited as old and no longer in his prime just like the same excuses for all the fighters pac faced! Even if he loses it doe'snt matter. Pbf ducked mosley! So that makes a mosley victory sensible. Even so if shane wins, mosley won't overtake pac's overall achievements coz that pbf win is the great milestone! Sorry shane. If you only agreed for another fight with hoya than choosing winky before or agreed to fight void the ugly boy mayweather before this time in which he claims himself as the cash cow now you could have equalled pbf's resume. Plus time's running short and pac's really way smaller.
Paul Williams? If pac wins it doe'snt matter. It doe'snt overtake pac's win (if ever) with pbf. Pbf is much more decorated than williams. Williams is the avoided one is'nt he? But imo i think apac has a chance to beat him though.
And even if pac loses to mosley, williams or martinez the final explanation for that will be this reasonable FACT:

Pac faced odlh: tko, after 5 mo's hatton: tko after 6 mo's cotto tko. ALL ELITE FIGHTERS. Then after 3 mo's of the cotto fight: pbf.

The toll on pac's body during those wars are reasonable facts that pac would lose to mosley and williams if ever after a pbf fight,in the future. But still it won't matter IF PAC WINS AGAINST PBF: another gruelling fight.

Therefore, pac can retire coz that's a milestone for him if he beats pbf. Just like any monumental shrine around the globe. Even if he continues but loses ten fights after a win against pbf: so what? Pac already achieved too much that can't be matched by anyone for a loong time imo.

A win against pbf is an ultimate shrine for pac that can't be ruined. Pac must realize this. And this fight will also settle who's the best p4p of our generation. For those who get tired of pac nut huggers infesting boxing sites, if pac wins against pbf, this huggers will laylow and leave the limelight just as you wanted to. Nothing more to prove for pac, nothing more to debate for this pac fans or huggers.

[milmascaras1]

all this will only prove that pacquiao is the best fighter in the 2000's that's all! it will get him to about number 20 p4p all-time but not any higher! still a great accomplishment!

[Gandalf]

If Manny doesn't face James Toney then he has proven nothing upon this earth. James Toney is real meat.

[CutMeMick]

fan johnny,
Your post made me laugh but for obvious reasons I can't leave it.
So I had to delete it.

Just don't want anyone to get offended.

[Taeth]

all this will only prove that pacquiao is the best fighter in the 2000's that's all! it will get him to about number 20 p4p all-time but not any higher! still a great accomplishment!

He's almost unnanimously in the top 20 already from boxing historians.

[Kev]

all this will only prove that pacquiao is the best fighter in the 2000's that's all! it will get him to about number 20 p4p all-time but not any higher! still a great accomplishment!

If Manny beats Floyd he's only top 20 p4p.....really?

He's top ten already, if he beats Floyd he will be top 5, maybe top 3 behind Robinson and Ali.

He's won world titles in more weight divisions than any fighter in history. And he hasn't just moved up and boxed his way to decisions against paper belt champs like Roy did against Ruiz, he's moved up, fought the best and absolutely fucking smashed them.

Nobody in the history of boxing has done what Manny has done.

If he beat Floyd that would be an unbelievable acomplishment.

[JonesJrMayweather]

all this will only prove that pacquiao is the best fighter in the 2000's that's all! it will get him to about number 20 p4p all-time but not any higher! still a great accomplishment!

If Manny beats Floyd he's only top 20 p4p.....really?

He's top ten already, if he beats Floyd he will be top 5, maybe top 3 behind Robinson and Ali.

He's won world titles in more weight divisions than any fighter in history. And he hasn't just moved up and boxed his way to decisions against paper belt champs like Roy did against Ruiz, he's moved up, fought the best and absolutely fucking smashed them.

Nobody in the history of boxing has done what Manny has done.

If he beat Floyd that would be an unbelievable acomplishment.

Bullshit...cotto while game, was nothing but a paper champ as shane mosely is the real WW champ and the fight was contested with limitations. Roy didn't make Ruiz come down to 215.

[Kev]

all this will only prove that pacquiao is the best fighter in the 2000's that's all! it will get him to about number 20 p4p all-time but not any higher! still a great accomplishment!

If Manny beats Floyd he's only top 20 p4p.....really?

He's top ten already, if he beats Floyd he will be top 5, maybe top 3 behind Robinson and Ali.

He's won world titles in more weight divisions than any fighter in history. And he hasn't just moved up and boxed his way to decisions against paper belt champs like Roy did against Ruiz, he's moved up, fought the best and absolutely fucking smashed them.

Nobody in the history of boxing has done what Manny has done.

If he beat Floyd that would be an unbelievable acomplishment.

Bullshit...cotto while game, was nothing but a paper champ as shane mosely is the real WW champ and the fight was contested with limitations. Roy didn't make Ruiz come down to 215.

Cotto was a paper champ? And this despite having a win over Mosely, the guy you rate as the champ?

Cotto had only lost once in his career, and that to a fighter who most likely had plaster of paris in his gloves.

Manny's win was nothing short of sensational. Remember he started out as a fucking straw weight! Imagine if Nonito Donaire moved up from flyweight to junior bantam, to super bantam, to feather weight, to super feather, to lightweight, to junior welter and then to welter beating a string of Hall of Fame and p4p worthy fighters on the way.

It's amazing what Manny has done, NOBODY else in the history of boxing has moved up ten weight classes and destroyed a reigning champ, NOBODY.

[JonesJrMayweather]

If Manny beats Floyd he's only top 20 p4p.....really?

He's top ten already, if he beats Floyd he will be top 5, maybe top 3 behind Robinson and Ali.

He's won world titles in more weight divisions than any fighter in history. And he hasn't just moved up and boxed his way to decisions against paper belt champs like Roy did against Ruiz, he's moved up, fought the best and absolutely fucking smashed them.

Nobody in the history of boxing has done what Manny has done.

If he beat Floyd that would be an unbelievable acomplishment.

Bullshit...cotto while game, was nothing but a paper champ as shane mosely is the real WW champ and the fight was contested with limitations. Roy didn't make Ruiz come down to 215.

Cotto was a paper champ? And this despite having a win over Mosely, the guy you rate as the champ?

Cotto had only lost once in his career, and that to a fighter who most likely had plaster of paris in his gloves.

Manny's win was nothing short of sensational. Remember he started out as a fucking straw weight! Imagine if Nonito Donaire moved up from flyweight to junior bantam, to super bantam, to feather weight, to super feather, to lightweight, to junior welter and then to welter beating a string of Hall of Fame and p4p worthy fighters on the way.

It's amazing what Manny has done, NOBODY else in the history of boxing has moved up ten weight classes and destroyed a reigning champ, NOBODY.

And many people also believed shane would kayo cotto in a rematch before he lost to manny.

Margarito didnt not have plaster in his gloves...cotto fought and lost the unification bout to margo...shane beat mago this makes shane the world recognized WW champ. Cotto picked up a strap that was thrown away by Paul Williams...

True manny moved up ten weight classes because the smaller weight classes are divided by less weight.

154-HW is the same amount of weight gained...

[osncoll_0716]

all this will only prove that pacquiao is the best fighter in the 2000's that's all! it will get him to about number 20 p4p all-time but not any higher! still a great accomplishment!

If Manny beats Floyd he's only top 20 p4p.....really?

He's top ten already, if he beats Floyd he will be top 5, maybe top 3 behind Robinson and Ali.

He's won world titles in more weight divisions than any fighter in history. And he hasn't just moved up and boxed his way to decisions against paper belt champs like Roy did against Ruiz, he's moved up, fought the best and absolutely fucking smashed them.

Nobody in the history of boxing has done what Manny has done.

If he beat Floyd that would be an unbelievable acomplishment.

Bullshit...cotto while game, was nothing but a paper champ as shane mosely is the real WW champ and the fight was contested with limitations. Roy didn't make Ruiz come down to 215.

yeah and niether did pacquiao make cotto come down to 135 which is PACS' natural weight?? right

[TheBranMan]

If pac beats floyd and i believe he will, he will be top 5 all time imo. To say that he would just be top 20 all time is ridiculous. Pac will have nothing more to prove. He could retire , be a legend, and probably become president of the phillipines. I would hate to see him quit though when he is still so freakin good, but it would be nice to see him quit on top of the world.

Saying top 20 is definitely not ridiculous, that's still a great honor. There have been amazing careers of the past. You are obviously not schooled in boxing history. If he beat Marquez just once convincingly, beat Floyd, beat the winner of Mosley/Berto, and did it in spectacular form or showing great heart, then maybe I'd call him top 5. Until then, names like Robinson, Ali, Armstrong, Louis, Duran, Leonard, Johnson, Dempsey, Marciano, etc, belong ahead of Pacquiao. That's not to say Pacquiao isn't great, he obviously is. To have your name even mentioned in relation to those names is a great accomplishment.

Actually I am schooled in boxing history and it is my opinion that Pac-Man should be top 5 if he wins this bout and ahead of several of the names that you mentioned.

Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion, although I would find it very hard to argue his name past any of those, never mind top 5.

If Manny beats Floyd he's only top 20 p4p.....really?

He's top ten already, if he beats Floyd he will be top 5, maybe top 3 behind Robinson and Ali.

He's won world titles in more weight divisions than any fighter in history. And he hasn't just moved up and boxed his way to decisions against paper belt champs like Roy did against Ruiz, he's moved up, fought the best and absolutely fucking smashed them.

Nobody in the history of boxing has done what Manny has done.

If he beat Floyd that would be an unbelievable acomplishment.

Bullshit...cotto while game, was nothing but a paper champ as shane mosely is the real WW champ and the fight was contested with limitations. Roy didn't make Ruiz come down to 215.

yeah and niether did pacquiao make cotto come down to 135 which is PACS' natural weight?? right

That's just ridiculous and doesn't make any sense. Firstly you can't compare Jones' HW title achievement to this, two totally different things.
Secondly, Pacquiao did make Cotto (already a larger WW that has had trouble with his weight in the past), come down in weight to fight for a title that should've been contested at 147. Would it have made the difference in the fight? Even as a Cotto fan, I'm not sure it would've. An incompetent corner and a beating from Margacheato a year prior, were the icing on the cake. Still, the extra weight would've made it more competitive and definitely wouldn't have hurt his chances.

[JonesJrMayweather]

If Manny beats Floyd he's only top 20 p4p.....really?

He's top ten already, if he beats Floyd he will be top 5, maybe top 3 behind Robinson and Ali.

He's won world titles in more weight divisions than any fighter in history. And he hasn't just moved up and boxed his way to decisions against paper belt champs like Roy did against Ruiz, he's moved up, fought the best and absolutely fucking smashed them.

Nobody in the history of boxing has done what Manny has done.

If he beat Floyd that would be an unbelievable acomplishment.

Bullshit...cotto while game, was nothing but a paper champ as shane mosely is the real WW champ and the fight was contested with limitations. Roy didn't make Ruiz come down to 215.

yeah and niether did pacquiao make cotto come down to 135 which is PACS' natural weight?? right

That's not the same thing...Point is they made sure cotto would not come in at 147 the real limit. In doing this, it limits how much weight cotto would have added overnight.

Roy moved up to HW and fought Ruiz for his belt without saying anything about weight. And if you want to say natural weight, Jones natural weight is around 168. He also started his career AT 154...Even still he didnt ask Ruiz to drop ANY WEIGHT...

[Pavlik]

all this will only prove that pacquiao is the best fighter in the 2000's that's all! it will get him to about number 20 p4p all-time but not any higher! still a great accomplishment!

As of his win over Miguel Cotto PAC has been ranked at least a top 20 ATG.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFUQdY6Fx_M

If he beats a naturally bigger and undefeated ATG/gifted fighter like himself in PBF proves Manny should be in AT LEAST in the top 10 LOGICALLY.

[CutMeMick]

Would love to see Pac fight SSM.

But truthfully Pac doesn't make it past PBF.

[Mar]

Whoa whoa wait a sec. 90% of the stuff on here talks about how crappy floyd is and now if pac beats him he's the new christ !!! Amazing. They have both pretty much beat the same guys.......ah nevermind. This shit gets more and more ridiculous every day. The only thing this fight is really good for is too see what idiotic shit people pull out of thier ass once floyd (like he always does) beats him. Then will people take floyd out of their mouth pull up his undies ...apologize and move on Of course not they'll still say floyd ain't shit and hasn't proved anything till he beats a young berto. Then this guy then that guy blah blah ....Christ people that hate him are worse than his fans are