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    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli View Post
    Styles make fights and Bradley is no JMM but for a guy who is in some eyes coming off a loss I'm shocked at the dismissal of Bradley going into this. Will he fall into a bunker mentality like a Mosley or Cotto, hell f'n no he won't. Marquez found manny repeatedly with hooks to the body and rights, frankly I think he waited far to much though countering very well. I favor Manny but to think Bradley gets blown out is silly talk. He brings an intesity and busier pace than Manny has faced in a very long time.
    I've got a feeling Bradley will win this fight AND WIN EASY.

    Pac-Man is on the slide and Bradley is on the up. In fact outside Mayweather I see this is the toughest fight possible for Pac-Man. I haven't been imrpessed by Pac-Man since he KO-ed Morales in 2006.

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    Disagree think Bradley is a blown up light welter, who is a very good fighter but not as dangerous as Cotto. Floyd is going up in weight, Cotto has looked impressive in his victories and he is very experienced. If he sticks to a game plan, he has the speed, punch and versatility to cause Floyd more problems than Bradley would do against Pacquiau.
    What is Pacquiao then? They're the same size. Pacquiao and Bradley will come in at almost the exact same weight without any hydration issues. Size isn't an issue here.

    Bradley is in his prime. He's undefeated and he's fast. Cotto is passed his prime, he's been knocked out twice, and he's not very fast anymore. Cotto isnt the Cotto from 2007. It's unfortunate, but he's not. Why do you think he hasn't been matched with any other top 5 junior middleweight? He's got a punchers chance here at most. His style has also changed from a puncher-boxer to a boxer-puncher. He hasn't fought like 2007 Cotto in a while. That works against Margarito, but against Mayweather?

    There are many ways for Bradley to win this fight. Maul for the first few rounds. Box for the next few. Move for the last few. Pacquiao hasn't stopped anyone since 2009 despite what his accusers say. It's possible he has he lost a step. In addition, Bradley has got some beast in him. Pacquiao should be favored, but Bradley is a live dog here.
    Your attempts at feigning impartiality make me laugh. I chuckle more about it when you accuse me of being biased and you just made this post.

    You are not seriously trying to convince yourself that this is a better and tougher fight than Floyd vs Cotto will be at 154 are you? Anybody else who's not on Manny's payroll feel the same way, out of curiosity??
    Bradley imo is a much better fight. Cotto was totally whipped by Pac in there fight. What makes you think he has a chance against Mayweather. Its technical fighter vs technical fighter. Mayweathers technical skills make Cottos look crap. Cotto will be the bigger man but not by much. That will not bother Mayweather in the slightest. Bradley is very awkward and has won all of his fights with relitive ease.
    I would much rather see Bradley vs floyd/Pac than cotto against them. Bradley is undefeated and has hardly ever been close to losing a fight. What more can you ask for in an opponent.
    Who has Bradley fought that could come even close to beating him? Junior Witter? Alexander who got a gift against Matthyse? Old ass Casamayor? Maybe Peterson is the only argument that can be made.

    Cottos resume is much better and I like how you forgot to mention that Pac beat him drained at 145. (and refused to fight him at 150 even though thats the fight he preferred? Obviously HE sees Cotto as dangerous)

    As far as Floyd technically makes him look like shit, wrong again. Cotto has tremendous technical skills. Floyd wasnt very technical at all against Ortiz. He relies more on being awkward defensively and offensively now. But he obviously has technique to allow him to get away with it. Technically, they're around the same. Floyd has better speed and reach.

    Again, wrong about the size difference. Cotto will come in around 160 on fight night. When Floyd fought Oscar he came in at 147 on fight night. Thats 13lbs..that is a big difference.

    I said earlier the Pac/Bradley fight is a good one. No doubt interesting but by no means is it bigger, better or tougher than Floyd Cotto. If it becomes any of the above, it says more about Pacquiao not being as good as people claim IMO but I fully expect Pac to do a job on him.
    That statement its like back and forth who's being much better opponents of the two top p4p of our time, very true Cotto a technical fighter and heavier fighter this time as you'd said. But (Cotto) been on slide also if you noticed he's not that top notch @ 154 to beat Floyd even he is heavier. Floyd in the meantime hes fighting a welters for long time i guess for 5 years + and easily can fight 154 like he did to ODLH.

    Cotto is great at 140-147 at JMW hes not, his best fight recently with Margarito whos also been a catchweight @JMW, Although Cotto box good that night if not with Margas eye injury it could turn the tide against Cotto later rounds. Floyd has reach advantage and also the speed as you said. At this time i really dont see Floyd struggles with this , at weight? Nah, Well never know thats also my guess.

    Bradley is much tougher opponent i guess hes rough, a natural 140 lbs career can easily go higher at welters fighter while Pac fights at welters weighing at mostly 144-45ish career, and what Manny showed recently to JMM is really tough take to make.

    Cotto has better career resume, more experienced fighter than Bradley but in reality against with Floyd as of now he's not that great like on his 140's-147 .
    Bradleys youth, he's rough, hungrier champion, well expect to some Manny to win easy but imo it wil be tough at this point in time. Some of the poster here including me sees Manny is on the slide and i guess that's the reality.

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    So Bradley is getting $5m but does he get a share of the PPV.

    Bradley is doing great for himself , win or lose he will still get some big fights at 140-147
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    Quote Originally Posted by denilson200 View Post
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    Styles make fights and Bradley is no JMM but for a guy who is in some eyes coming off a loss I'm shocked at the dismissal of Bradley going into this. Will he fall into a bunker mentality like a Mosley or Cotto, hell f'n no he won't. Marquez found manny repeatedly with hooks to the body and rights, frankly I think he waited far to much though countering very well. I favor Manny but to think Bradley gets blown out is silly talk. He brings an intesity and busier pace than Manny has faced in a very long time.
    I've got a feeling Bradley will win this fight AND WIN EASY.

    Pac-Man is on the slide and Bradley is on the up. In fact outside Mayweather I see this is the toughest fight possible for Pac-Man. I haven't been imrpessed by Pac-Man since he KO-ed Morales in 2006.

    This could be the re-birth or birth of a star.
    I will tease you about this post after Bradley loses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightscorecollector View Post
    So Bradley is getting $5m but does he get a share of the PPV.

    Bradley is doing great for himself , win or lose he will still get some big fights at 140-147
    He looked very ordinary against nobody in his welterweight debut.





    Frankly, l don't think we will be seeing him that much at 147 after his next fight.

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    FIGHTHYPE \\ DESPITE MOVING UP IN WEIGHT, BRADLEY BELIEVES HE'S BIGGER AND MORE POWERFUL THAN PACQUIAO

    with 2% bodyfat at 140 lbs this kid can definitely pack on more mass without sacrificing speed. I do believe he is slightly bigger than PAC.
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    it's going to be hard for Bradley to out work Pac. Plus he doesn't have real power to hurt Pac. Should be a good fight while it last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pavlik View Post
    FIGHTHYPE \\ DESPITE MOVING UP IN WEIGHT, BRADLEY BELIEVES HE'S BIGGER AND MORE POWERFUL THAN PACQUIAO

    with 2% bodyfat at 140 lbs this kid can definitely pack on more mass without sacrificing speed. I do believe he is slightly bigger than PAC.
    That's a silly thing to say..do you realise how hard it is to put on lean, dry muscle weight? He aint gonna put on 7lbs of lean weight up until the fight let me tell you.

    He'll come in with maybe 8-10% bodyfat rather than his usual 3-5% - The extra weight bradley will bring to this fight will NOT be functional weight. The only way it will be an advantage for him is if he has been killing himself to make 140..which going by his record, doesn't seem to be the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by denilson200 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli View Post
    Styles make fights and Bradley is no JMM but for a guy who is in some eyes coming off a loss I'm shocked at the dismissal of Bradley going into this. Will he fall into a bunker mentality like a Mosley or Cotto, hell f'n no he won't. Marquez found manny repeatedly with hooks to the body and rights, frankly I think he waited far to much though countering very well. I favor Manny but to think Bradley gets blown out is silly talk. He brings an intesity and busier pace than Manny has faced in a very long time.
    I've got a feeling Bradley will win this fight AND WIN EASY.

    Pac-Man is on the slide and Bradley is on the up. In fact outside Mayweather I see this is the toughest fight possible for Pac-Man. I haven't been imrpessed by Pac-Man since he KO-ed Morales in 2006.

    This could be the re-birth or birth of a star.
    I do agree on the slight direction they are going, Bradley being fresher and Manny has kept a very busy pace and if you give merit to the saying a guy is as only good as his last fight...granted it was a great in Marquez, but Manny got his ears boxed and caught. He better come down off the throne, down to earth and come in ala savage Manny mode!

    Disagree on Tim having anything easy in match. He'll have to work two fold for any credit and will feel the moment of the opponent like no other. It puts him on the map in a huge way that he's well due and I think we'll see the very best he's capable of and be on point. It wont be easy at all but its certainly not impossible.

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    Disagree think Bradley is a blown up light welter, who is a very good fighter but not as dangerous as Cotto. Floyd is going up in weight, Cotto has looked impressive in his victories and he is very experienced. If he sticks to a game plan, he has the speed, punch and versatility to cause Floyd more problems than Bradley would do against Pacquiau.
    What is Pacquiao then? They're the same size. Pacquiao and Bradley will come in at almost the exact same weight without any hydration issues. Size isn't an issue here.

    Bradley is in his prime. He's undefeated and he's fast. Cotto is passed his prime, he's been knocked out twice, and he's not very fast anymore. Cotto isnt the Cotto from 2007. It's unfortunate, but he's not. Why do you think he hasn't been matched with any other top 5 junior middleweight? He's got a punchers chance here at most. His style has also changed from a puncher-boxer to a boxer-puncher. He hasn't fought like 2007 Cotto in a while. That works against Margarito, but against Mayweather?

    There are many ways for Bradley to win this fight. Maul for the first few rounds. Box for the next few. Move for the last few. Pacquiao hasn't stopped anyone since 2009 despite what his accusers say. It's possible he has he lost a step. In addition, Bradley has got some beast in him. Pacquiao should be favored, but Bradley is a live dog here.
    Your attempts at feigning impartiality make me laugh. I chuckle more about it when you accuse me of being biased and you just made this post.

    You are not seriously trying to convince yourself that this is a better and tougher fight than Floyd vs Cotto will be at 154 are you? Anybody else who's not on Manny's payroll feel the same way, out of curiosity??
    Bradley imo is a much better fight. Cotto was totally whipped by Pac in there fight. What makes you think he has a chance against Mayweather. Its technical fighter vs technical fighter. Mayweathers technical skills make Cottos look crap. Cotto will be the bigger man but not by much. That will not bother Mayweather in the slightest. Bradley is very awkward and has won all of his fights with relitive ease.
    I would much rather see Bradley vs floyd/Pac than cotto against them. Bradley is undefeated and has hardly ever been close to losing a fight. What more can you ask for in an opponent.
    Who has Bradley fought that could come even close to beating him? Junior Witter? Alexander who got a gift against Matthyse? Old ass Casamayor? Maybe Peterson is the only argument that can be made.

    Cottos resume is much better and I like how you forgot to mention that Pac beat him drained at 145. (and refused to fight him at 150 even though thats the fight he preferred? Obviously HE sees Cotto as dangerous)

    As far as Floyd technically makes him look like shit, wrong again. Cotto has tremendous technical skills. Floyd wasnt very technical at all against Ortiz. He relies more on being awkward defensively and offensively now. But he obviously has technique to allow him to get away with it. Technically, they're around the same. Floyd has better speed and reach.

    Again, wrong about the size difference. Cotto will come in around 160 on fight night. When Floyd fought Oscar he came in at 147 on fight night. Thats 13lbs..that is a big difference.

    I said earlier the Pac/Bradley fight is a good one. No doubt interesting but by no means is it bigger, better or tougher than Floyd Cotto. If it becomes any of the above, it says more about Pacquiao not being as good as people claim IMO but I fully expect Pac to do a job on him.
    When Mayweather took on Ortiz he did not opt for his usual style. His normal style would have no trouble against him.
    Cottos resume may be a little better than Bradleys but Bradley has not lost a fight and has defeated all his opponents with ease. And do you really think Cotto would of had a chance of beating Pac if he was his normal weight. He may have done a little better but would have still been destroyed.
    Cotto may be a good technical boxer but his skills are nothing near Mayweathers.
    We are not going to agree with each other but I will make you this bet. I bet that Bradley will do better against Pac than Cotto does against Mayweather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Althugz View Post
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    Disagree think Bradley is a blown up light welter, who is a very good fighter but not as dangerous as Cotto. Floyd is going up in weight, Cotto has looked impressive in his victories and he is very experienced. If he sticks to a game plan, he has the speed, punch and versatility to cause Floyd more problems than Bradley would do against Pacquiau.
    What is Pacquiao then? They're the same size. Pacquiao and Bradley will come in at almost the exact same weight without any hydration issues. Size isn't an issue here.

    Bradley is in his prime. He's undefeated and he's fast. Cotto is passed his prime, he's been knocked out twice, and he's not very fast anymore. Cotto isnt the Cotto from 2007. It's unfortunate, but he's not. Why do you think he hasn't been matched with any other top 5 junior middleweight? He's got a punchers chance here at most. His style has also changed from a puncher-boxer to a boxer-puncher. He hasn't fought like 2007 Cotto in a while. That works against Margarito, but against Mayweather?

    There are many ways for Bradley to win this fight. Maul for the first few rounds. Box for the next few. Move for the last few. Pacquiao hasn't stopped anyone since 2009 despite what his accusers say. It's possible he has he lost a step. In addition, Bradley has got some beast in him. Pacquiao should be favored, but Bradley is a live dog here.
    Your attempts at feigning impartiality make me laugh. I chuckle more about it when you accuse me of being biased and you just made this post.

    You are not seriously trying to convince yourself that this is a better and tougher fight than Floyd vs Cotto will be at 154 are you? Anybody else who's not on Manny's payroll feel the same way, out of curiosity??
    Bradley imo is a much better fight. Cotto was totally whipped by Pac in there fight. What makes you think he has a chance against Mayweather. Its technical fighter vs technical fighter. Mayweathers technical skills make Cottos look crap. Cotto will be the bigger man but not by much. That will not bother Mayweather in the slightest. Bradley is very awkward and has won all of his fights with relitive ease.
    I would much rather see Bradley vs floyd/Pac than cotto against them. Bradley is undefeated and has hardly ever been close to losing a fight. What more can you ask for in an opponent.
    Who has Bradley fought that could come even close to beating him? Junior Witter? Alexander who got a gift against Matthyse? Old ass Casamayor? Maybe Peterson is the only argument that can be made.

    Cottos resume is much better and I like how you forgot to mention that Pac beat him drained at 145. (and refused to fight him at 150 even though thats the fight he preferred? Obviously HE sees Cotto as dangerous)

    As far as Floyd technically makes him look like shit, wrong again. Cotto has tremendous technical skills. Floyd wasnt very technical at all against Ortiz. He relies more on being awkward defensively and offensively now. But he obviously has technique to allow him to get away with it. Technically, they're around the same. Floyd has better speed and reach.

    Again, wrong about the size difference. Cotto will come in around 160 on fight night. When Floyd fought Oscar he came in at 147 on fight night. Thats 13lbs..that is a big difference.

    I said earlier the Pac/Bradley fight is a good one. No doubt interesting but by no means is it bigger, better or tougher than Floyd Cotto. If it becomes any of the above, it says more about Pacquiao not being as good as people claim IMO but I fully expect Pac to do a job on him.
    Completely agree^^ PAC vs Bradley is no where near as Floyd vs Cotto. Bradley hasn't fought any good names and when he fought Alexander when they were bothe undefeated I thought it would be a great fight even though I've never heard of them. Turns out it sucked because they're both not good enough to compete with elite boxers. Once again Cotto was drained, had no trainer, his father had recently passed and now that they want to fight him again they want him to come back to 147 when he's been fighting at 154?? BS!! It made me so glad that mayweather made this fight at the proper weight shows more about him. Only thing that kind of annoys me is that I want Cotto to win but I don't because I'm sure I know what the PACTARDS will have to say if he wins. "PAC destroyed Cotto and Cotto beat mayweather ofcourse PAC will beat mayweather" etc. then Cotto probably won't get a rematch because there's "nothing" to prove. But they'll never say the diffrence in the circumstances they fought under.

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    leighton. Bradley doing better against Pac than Cotto will against Floyd means absolutely nothing. Despite what the Pacfans will have you believe the difference in skill level between Floyd and Pac is enormous.

    So you say the weight wouldn't have mattered and Cotto still would have caught a beating? Begs the question I asked earlier..so why did Pac try to drain Cotto AGAIN if the result is such a foregone conclusion instead of meeting Cotto in the middle? That was Pacs preferred fight..if it was so easy, fight him again at 150? Truth is Cotto had Pacs number up until that 2nd knockdown..Perhaps due to being drained? Maybe not but we'll never know because Team Pac didn't want the rematch on neutral ground. Simple as that.

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    leighton. Bradley doing better against Pac than Cotto will against Floyd means absolutely nothing. Despite what the Pacfans will have you believe the difference in skill level between Floyd and Pac is enormous.

    So you say the weight wouldn't have mattered and Cotto still would have caught a beating? Begs the question I asked earlier..so why did Pac try to drain Cotto AGAIN if the result is such a foregone conclusion instead of meeting Cotto in the middle? That was Pacs preferred fight..if it was so easy, fight him again at 150? Truth is Cotto had Pacs number up until that 2nd knockdown..Perhaps due to being drained? Maybe not but we'll never know because Team Pac didn't want the rematch on neutral ground. Simple as that.
    Even if PAC spark's Bradley out in less than 60 secs, I still don't see PAC beating Floyd it just doesnt carry over. You are right the difference in skill level is enormous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Althugz View Post
    leighton. Bradley doing better against Pac than Cotto will against Floyd means absolutely nothing. Despite what the Pacfans will have you believe the difference in skill level between Floyd and Pac is enormous.

    So you say the weight wouldn't have mattered and Cotto still would have caught a beating? Begs the question I asked earlier..so why did Pac try to drain Cotto AGAIN if the result is such a foregone conclusion instead of meeting Cotto in the middle? That was Pacs preferred fight..if it was so easy, fight him again at 150? Truth is Cotto had Pacs number up until that 2nd knockdown.Perhaps due to being drained? Maybe not but we'll never know because Team Pac didn't want the rematch on neutral ground. Simple as that.

    Cotto WAS doing very well against Pac for the first few rounds, snapping his head back with a very sharp jab. IMO, what turned the fight was the lack of a solid game plan from Cotto. He had the extremely ordinary Joe Santiago in his corner, who was likely as clueless as a 3rd grader in a nuclear physics class. Cotto began needlessly and prematurely trading with Pacquiao, and Pac caught him with some good shots from which Miguel never recovered.

    The Cotto being handled by Pedro Diaz, however, would be a different matter altogether. And truth be told, I myself don't understand Pacquiao's reluctancy to fight Cotto at the higher weight. It's nothing Pac hadn't been doing before. What changed all of a sudden? So yeah... not a Pac-hater or anything, but it does seem a bit puzzling as to why Pacquiao would be so unyielding in his negotiations with Cotto.

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