Juan Manuel Marquez Tells Pacquiao To His Face Floyd Would Kick His Ass On ESPN First

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[imp]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

[Beanflicker]

Since the fight was discussed 3 or 4 years ago, I never had any doubt in my mind that Mayweather would whip this guy. Floyd's speed, defense and counter punching would be absolute poison for Manny.

I think most people know this too, it's just they hate Mayweather SO much that they predict with their hearts and not with their brains.

[imp]

Since the fight was discussed 3 or 4 years ago, I never had any doubt in my mind that Mayweather would whip this guy. Floyd's speed, defense and counter punching would be absolute poison for Manny.

I think most people know this too, it's just they hate Mayweather SO much that they predict with their hearts and not with their brains.

This statement pretty much sums everything up.

Well done.

[Fenster]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

If you want to judge them by common opponents then Manny is above Floyd.

He beat Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and Mosley more impressively than Floyd did.

Having close fights with a great like Marquez is nothing to be ashamed about. Floyd had two close fights with Castillo, arguably losing the first in many peoples eyes.

[imp]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

If you want to judge them by common opponents then Manny is above Floyd.

He beat Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and Mosley more impressively than Floyd did.

Having close fights with a great like Marquez is nothing to be ashamed about. Floyd had two close fights with Castillo, arguably losing the first in many peoples eyes.

I think the hatton, oscar cotto and moseley that floyd fought were at a far better stage and weight as when they fought manny.

Obviously, im going to side with floyd and dont want to hijack the thread by talking about manny and floyds opponents but you wisely brought them up.

Floyd:-

Hatton-undefeated.(was never the same after floyd)

Oscar-his weight, his ring, his gloves, his rules.

Mosely:- after beating margacheato, no one wanted to fight him, even offered to do a catchweight with manny.

Cotto:- at his weight and not after a loss.

Weight makes all the difference.

Manny is great fighter but those common opponents were all at a disadvantage when fighting manny.

[TitoFan]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

If you want to judge them by common opponents then Manny is above Floyd.

He beat Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and Mosley more impressively than Floyd did.

Having close fights with a great like Marquez is nothing to be ashamed about. Floyd had two close fights with Castillo, arguably losing the first in many peoples eyes.

I think the hatton, oscar cotto and moseley that floyd fought were at a far better stage and weight as when they fought manny.

Obviously, im going to side with floyd and dont want to hijack the thread by talking about manny and floyds opponents but you wisely brought them up.

Floyd:-

Hatton-undefeated.(was never the same after floyd)

Oscar-his weight, his ring, his gloves, his rules.

Mosely:- after beating margacheato, no one wanted to fight him, even offered to do a catchweight with manny.

Cotto:- at his weight and not after a loss.

Weight makes all the difference.

Manny is great fighter but those common opponents were all at a disadvantage when fighting manny.

The Cotto that fought Pacquaio had a corner that had no clue as to how to put together a fight plan for Pacquiao. The Cotto that fought Floyd had Pedro Diaz in his corner, and the very best fight plan and conditioning to try and beat Floyd. Obviously it didn't work. That Cotto would've beaten Pac, IMO.

The Oscar that lost to Pac was a weight-drained, over-the-hill Oscar... looking for one more under-sized, famous scalp so he could ride off triumphantly into the sunset. It backfired in his face. The Oscar that lost to Floyd was much younger, closer to prime, and not weight-drained, fighting at 154.

The Mosley that fought Floyd was just coming off a crushing win over Margacheato, as mentioned by imp. His fight with Pac was later and toward the end of his career.

Hatton I won't include, because Hatton was in tip-top condition and said he was fighting for the world's p4p. Besides, he fought Floyd at 147, a weight he was NEVER comfortable at. He fought Pac at 140. Pac definitely put more of an exclamation point on his KTFO victory over Hatton than Floyd did.

Still, regardless of how each did against common opponents, Floyd beats the living daylights out of Pac if they were to meet today.

[Fenster]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

If you want to judge them by common opponents then Manny is above Floyd.

He beat Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and Mosley more impressively than Floyd did.

Having close fights with a great like Marquez is nothing to be ashamed about. Floyd had two close fights with Castillo, arguably losing the first in many peoples eyes.

I think the hatton, oscar cotto and moseley that floyd fought were at a far better stage and weight as when they fought manny.

Obviously, im going to side with floyd and dont want to hijack the thread by talking about manny and floyds opponents but you wisely brought them up.

Floyd:-

Hatton-undefeated.(was never the same after floyd)

Oscar-his weight, his ring, his gloves, his rules.

Mosely:- after beating margacheato, no one wanted to fight him, even offered to do a catchweight with manny.

Cotto:- at his weight and not after a loss.

Weight makes all the difference.

Manny is great fighter but those common opponents were all at a disadvantage when fighting manny.

The Cotto that fought Pacquaio had a corner that had no clue as to how to put together a fight plan for Pacquiao. The Cotto that fought Floyd had Pedro Diaz in his corner, and the very best fight plan and conditioning to try and beat Floyd. Obviously it didn't work. That Cotto would've beaten Pac, IMO.

The Oscar that lost to Pac was a weight-drained, over-the-hill Oscar... looking for one more under-sized, famous scalp so he could ride off triumphantly into the sunset. It backfired in his face. The Oscar that lost to Floyd was much younger, closer to prime, and not weight-drained, fighting at 154.

The Mosley that fought Floyd was just coming off a crushing win over Margacheato, as mentioned by imp. His fight with Pac was later and toward the end of his career.

Hatton I won't include, because Hatton was in tip-top condition and said he was fighting for the world's p4p. Besides, he fought Floyd at 147, a weight he was NEVER comfortable at. He fought Pac at 140. Pac definitely put more of an exclamation point on his KTFO victory over Hatton than Floyd did.

Still, regardless of how each did against common opponents, Floyd beats the living daylights out of Pac if they were to meet today.

You can make excuses for any losing fighter.

Floyd may well beat Pac. But judging them on common opponents then Pac is his superior. Fact.

Pac KO'd Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and has beaten Mosley and Marquez knocking them both down.

Floyd won on points against Cotto, Mosley, Oscar, Marquez and KO'd Hatton eight rounds after Pac did it.

It's no comparison. Pac over Floyd.

[imp]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

If you want to judge them by common opponents then Manny is above Floyd.

He beat Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and Mosley more impressively than Floyd did.

Having close fights with a great like Marquez is nothing to be ashamed about. Floyd had two close fights with Castillo, arguably losing the first in many peoples eyes.

I think the hatton, oscar cotto and moseley that floyd fought were at a far better stage and weight as when they fought manny.

Obviously, im going to side with floyd and dont want to hijack the thread by talking about manny and floyds opponents but you wisely brought them up.

Floyd:-

Hatton-undefeated.(was never the same after floyd)

Oscar-his weight, his ring, his gloves, his rules.

Mosely:- after beating margacheato, no one wanted to fight him, even offered to do a catchweight with manny.

Cotto:- at his weight and not after a loss.

Weight makes all the difference.

Manny is great fighter but those common opponents were all at a disadvantage when fighting manny.

The Cotto that fought Pacquaio had a corner that had no clue as to how to put together a fight plan for Pacquiao. The Cotto that fought Floyd had Pedro Diaz in his corner, and the very best fight plan and conditioning to try and beat Floyd. Obviously it didn't work. That Cotto would've beaten Pac, IMO.

The Oscar that lost to Pac was a weight-drained, over-the-hill Oscar... looking for one more under-sized, famous scalp so he could ride off triumphantly into the sunset. It backfired in his face. The Oscar that lost to Floyd was much younger, closer to prime, and not weight-drained, fighting at 154.

The Mosley that fought Floyd was just coming off a crushing win over Margacheato, as mentioned by imp. His fight with Pac was later and toward the end of his career.

Hatton I won't include, because Hatton was in tip-top condition and said he was fighting for the world's p4p. Besides, he fought Floyd at 147, a weight he was NEVER comfortable at. He fought Pac at 140. Pac definitely put more of an exclamation point on his KTFO victory over Hatton than Floyd did.

Still, regardless of how each did against common opponents, Floyd beats the living daylights out of Pac if they were to meet today.

I agree tito.

But to elaborate a bit on hatton, a fighter can loose there prime instantly at any time and i never saw the old hatton after the floyd fight.

He changed trainers, taking coke behind the scenes..he wasnt the same.

I think we can all agree floyd beat these common fighters at a better time and better weight.

Floyd came of a 2YEAR retirement to fight the ring top dog marquez and played with..played with him!

Manny cant deal with fighters like marquez, morales, bradley..thats his achillis heel.

Floyd had a tough first one with castillo and considering he had a torn rotater on his left shoulder its amazing he still pulled out the win!

[Violent Demise]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

If you want to judge them by common opponents then Manny is above Floyd.

He beat Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and Mosley more impressively than Floyd did.

Having close fights with a great like Marquez is nothing to be ashamed about. Floyd had two close fights with Castillo, arguably losing the first in many peoples eyes.

I think the hatton, oscar cotto and moseley that floyd fought were at a far better stage and weight as when they fought manny.

Obviously, im going to side with floyd and dont want to hijack the thread by talking about manny and floyds opponents but you wisely brought them up.

Floyd:-

Hatton-undefeated.(was never the same after floyd)

Oscar-his weight, his ring, his gloves, his rules.

Mosely:- after beating margacheato, no one wanted to fight him, even offered to do a catchweight with manny.

Cotto:- at his weight and not after a loss.

Weight makes all the difference.

Manny is great fighter but those common opponents were all at a disadvantage when fighting manny.

The Cotto that fought Pacquaio had a corner that had no clue as to how to put together a fight plan for Pacquiao. The Cotto that fought Floyd had Pedro Diaz in his corner, and the very best fight plan and conditioning to try and beat Floyd. Obviously it didn't work. That Cotto would've beaten Pac, IMO.

Cotto had been a pro for about 9 years going into the Pacquiao fight. He knows what the fuck he's doing. At least he should. His corner had nothing to do with him losing.

[Fenster]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

If you want to judge them by common opponents then Manny is above Floyd.

He beat Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and Mosley more impressively than Floyd did.

Having close fights with a great like Marquez is nothing to be ashamed about. Floyd had two close fights with Castillo, arguably losing the first in many peoples eyes.

I think the hatton, oscar cotto and moseley that floyd fought were at a far better stage and weight as when they fought manny.

Obviously, im going to side with floyd and dont want to hijack the thread by talking about manny and floyds opponents but you wisely brought them up.

Floyd:-

Hatton-undefeated.(was never the same after floyd)

Oscar-his weight, his ring, his gloves, his rules.

Mosely:- after beating margacheato, no one wanted to fight him, even offered to do a catchweight with manny.

Cotto:- at his weight and not after a loss.

Weight makes all the difference.

Manny is great fighter but those common opponents were all at a disadvantage when fighting manny.

Weight makes all the difference?

Manny fought Marquez at 126, 130 and both weighing 142.

Floyd fought Marquez once at welterweight with a big size advantage. Marquez dropped back to 135 immediately following the fight.

Clearly Marquez had a big disadvantage against Floyd, so comparing Pac/Floyd where Marquez is concerned is pointless?

[Rantcatrat]

@Fenster and @imp - there's arguments on both sides, as to who did better against common opposition.

I like Floyd over Manny. Styles make fights. Bottom line. It's tired though at this point. That said, I would prefer to see Sergio Martinez against Floyd at 154, or above.

Guerrero for Floyd, and Rios for Manny, neither fight does much for me.

[AdamGB]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

If you want to judge them by common opponents then Manny is above Floyd.

He beat Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and Mosley more impressively than Floyd did.

Having close fights with a great like Marquez is nothing to be ashamed about. Floyd had two close fights with Castillo, arguably losing the first in many peoples eyes.

I think the hatton, oscar cotto and moseley that floyd fought were at a far better stage and weight as when they fought manny.

Obviously, im going to side with floyd and dont want to hijack the thread by talking about manny and floyds opponents but you wisely brought them up.

Floyd:-

Hatton-undefeated.(was never the same after floyd)

Oscar-his weight, his ring, his gloves, his rules.

Mosely:- after beating margacheato, no one wanted to fight him, even offered to do a catchweight with manny.

Cotto:- at his weight and not after a loss.

Weight makes all the difference.

Manny is great fighter but those common opponents were all at a disadvantage when fighting manny.

Weight makes all the difference?

Manny fought Marquez at 126, 130 and both weighing 142.

Floyd fought Marquez once at welterweight with a big size advantage. Marquez dropped back to 135 immediately following the fight.

Clearly Marquez had a big disadvantage against Floyd, so comparing Pac/Floyd where Marquez is concerned is pointless?

Another Floyd will beat Manny in my opinion - boxing aside he's the bigger man, that's why Manny needed to fuck with catchweights.

If he can't outbox them he'll outfight them and if they bigger and hydrated that's gonna be a lot tougher than the 'best p4p boxer' should find it.

[Maravilla2012]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

If you want to judge them by common opponents then Manny is above Floyd.

He beat Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and Mosley more impressively than Floyd did.

Having close fights with a great like Marquez is nothing to be ashamed about. Floyd had two close fights with Castillo, arguably losing the first in many peoples eyes.

I think the hatton, oscar cotto and moseley that floyd fought were at a far better stage and weight as when they fought manny.

Obviously, im going to side with floyd and dont want to hijack the thread by talking about manny and floyds opponents but you wisely brought them up.

Floyd:-

Hatton-undefeated.(was never the same after floyd)

Oscar-his weight, his ring, his gloves, his rules.

Mosely:- after beating margacheato, no one wanted to fight him, even offered to do a catchweight with manny.

Cotto:- at his weight and not after a loss.

Weight makes all the difference.

Manny is great fighter but those common opponents were all at a disadvantage when fighting manny.

Weight makes all the difference?

Manny fought Marquez at 126, 130 and both weighing 142.

Floyd fought Marquez once at welterweight with a big size advantage. Marquez dropped back to 135 immediately following the fight.

Clearly Marquez had a big disadvantage against Floyd, so comparing Pac/Floyd where Marquez is concerned is pointless?

Not to mention that Floyd couldn't even make his own weight.

[zhubin]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

If you want to judge them by common opponents then Manny is above Floyd.

He beat Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and Mosley more impressively than Floyd did.

Having close fights with a great like Marquez is nothing to be ashamed about. Floyd had two close fights with Castillo, arguably losing the first in many peoples eyes.

How do you define more "impressively"? Pac by the nature of his fighting style will always have more exciting wins...he is a storming fighter who looks for the knockouts. Floyd by comparision is a technician...he is just as happy winning easily on points as he would be winning in dramatic fashion. I personally enjoy watching Floyd dismantling his opponents with his brilliant technique and skills. You can also argue that Floyd fought a slightly less washed up version of Oscar and Mosley...and definitely a more rejuvenated Cotto (better prepared physically and metally after the Margo debacle). Hatton...whatever. So really i would only give Pac the edge to having fought a better Marquez. Styles make fights. And while we will never know who wins between these two until they fight...Floyd's style is all wrong for Pac.