Are you for or against intervening in Syria?

[Gandalf]

It seems the chimes of war are out in force yet again. Personally, I have a hard time trusting anything said on our side. Even if Assad was mad enough to play into our hands by using chemical weapons, I still don't understand why these weapons are more important than white phosphorous used against Palestinians or the bombs which will be dropped by our own weapons or why 100,000 dead, was all about waiting for 'chemical' weapons. Furthermore, supporting the other side looks pretty much like supporting various factions of Al Qaeda and nobody in their right mind would support that.

I am 100% against getting involved as quite simply, we have no idea what we are playing with. All this evidence John Kerry is talking about is something that still isn't released to us, and in this day and age, we know the Americans will doctor anything to go to war.

Seriously Miles? Did you have a propagandist write this for you? It's full of spin and mis-direction. Unsurprisingly it fulfils your aganda. Even the phrasing of the poll is completely biased.

What is the question?


Should we support the Syrian rebels ?

or

Are you for or against intervening in Syria ?

You seem entirely comfortable using the death and poisoning of innocent people, many of them women and children, blinded, maimed, burnt and asphyxiated to make a silly political point about Palestine. So you are now picking and choosing which is the most fashionable rebel army to support ?

What do you suggest we do ? Cross the street ? leave the robbed and beaten Samaritan to die ? Interesting how you have aligned yourself with those of supposedly opposite views of late and revealed yourself as the right wing conservative you always were.
As a liberal I think supporting the armed overthrow of tyrannical rule is not something that should remain only the privilege of the west. And there you go and align yourselves with those who use the philosophy that formed their country like a dirty word.

There is no spin or misdirection. Once again we are being dictated that because a certain act has allegedly been commited, then that is the 'red line' and 'we will now sort you out'. Well, that is outrageous. Where is the actual proof that the Syrian government used chemical weapons? Why the immediate desire not to go the way of the UN? This is all following exactly the same blueprint as Iraq and we know how that is today. Britain is a country where everything is being cut, wages haven't increased since 2008, and yet we can afford to intervene in countries and by taking the side of Alqaeda and extremist muslim elements. We seemingly don't need a national debate, we certainly don't care what the people of Britain think, as Obama has pointed his finger and we must stand meekly at his side. It is fucking preposterous that things are evolving like this.

Over 100,000 civilians have died already in a bloody civil war and now because of the use of chemical weapons we must now act? It is a very valid point that Israel used phosphorous against the Palestinians. Where was the outrage and call for intervention then? I make the point because it as on obvious double standard. That is not spin, it is a comparison. Furthermore, the US itself has armed Egypt which slaughters its own people, it sells cluster bombs to Saudi Arabia, a regime with no parallel in the region for its oppression and brutality. Again, I make the point to show comparison. America and Britain are not arbiters of morality and to be taking the side of Al Qaeda after all this bullshit about 'war on terror' and the subsequent horror commited in the Middle East and subsequent dismantling of personal freedoms at home is an outrage.

People hate us because we keep on doing shitty things and of course they would like to blow us up. If they would just stop with the imperial games, then nobody would give two hoots about us. But the entire thing is a joke and we are problem.

[Gandalf]

And just another comparison is the role of the United States itself. This is a country that has used nuclear bombs, covered Vietnam with napalm, assasinates people on foreign territory without due trial, makes up evidence and engages in wars of illicit aggression. Now they are trying to piece together the Geneva articles, but since when has America been bothered with international law? The hypocrisy is just beyond the pale. Again, where are the strikes against the US and the prosecutions for the White House war criminals and secret agents who allegedly even assasinated their own President (Kennedy).

Apparently the alleged use of chemical weapons in Syria, if ignored by America, would be a 'threat to the United States'. Now can anybody make any sense of the rhetoric, bluster, or bullshit of these people? They are clearly not breathing the same air that the rest of us do.

[Gandalf]

Also it is the rebels who have seemingly used Sarin nerve gas in the past. However, we are only seeing what we want to see in this issue. This has NOTHING to do with the use of chemical weapons. Obama and Cameron are prepared to go beyond the UN over chemical weapons, when the people they are supporting use chemical weapons. This is a civil war and look at us itching to use our big toys.

Syrian rebels used Sarin nerve gas, not Assad's regime: U.N. official - Washington Times

[mrbig1]

If this where happening in Africa or Asia no one would say shit. Since the U.S. is a puppet of Israel there will be strikes of some kind.

[Nameless]

I say no intervention till there is a solid plan made first, no friggin blind strikes like in Iraq where the Bush&Cheeney did show that they have been the worst clueless tandem of all time. We don't want to repeat a carnage with no "and then what" kind of plan.

[IamInuit]

Somebody has to stop this history repeating itself gig. Its like a real life episode of the Twilight Zone.

Unless someone can point out what the objective is beyond some kind of oddball retribution then let nature take its course. The fact that inspectors cant even get in to see the evidence to make a finding ought to tell you something.

[Andre]

Funny when you read this: the biggest question it brings to mind is 'IS America the God of Israel?

At the very end of this age all nations will be gathered against Israel for war. But despite sophisticated weapons, they will be defeated by the God of Israel.





ISRAEL, FUCK YEAH!

[Gandalf]

Somebody has to stop this history repeating itself gig. Its like a real life episode of the Twilight Zone.

Unless someone can point out what the objective is beyond some kind of oddball retribution then let nature take its course. The fact that inspectors cant even get in to see the evidence to make a finding ought to tell you something.

Precisely. What happens next? The media is slanting it as though America mustn't show weakness to Iran, but surely bombing Syria for 3 days will kill many more than those killed in this chemical attack. An attack which still hasn't been proven the responsibility of Assad and at the end of the day, the US media needs to quit harping on about Iran.They should look out for their own wayward Captain with his drones, Guantanamo, spying, etc first.

America is yet again seeking to extend its debt window and yet once again Captain America is wading in using taxpayer money to fund the very people they have been spending billions of dollars fighting against. What an absolute cluster bomb, sorry I mean clusterfuck. Obama doesn't care about his own consitution, so when he waffles on about international law and having to be careful, it makes me cringe. Bush and Cheney are walking free and Obama has the temerity to talk about international law. He's a joker, that one.

[brocktonblockbust]

I can see how people in England and America are more free than people in SYria or people in Iraq under Saddam. Nobody is disputing that. I would of course anyday rather be in America than Syria or Iraq, nobody I hope is disputing that either. So I can see the logic, though well, well stretched to unidentifiable proportions, that "Its better to have the US/UK system of governance imposed over the whole world rather than the Assad or the Saddam systems."

But that is just pure logic, like a Darwinian anthem, that "we may as well bully our way around like a world policeman because we would rather that all the world is like the US/UK".

It has to be allowed to happen naturally, if it happens at ALL, as the 13 colonies of King George naturally and in due course took the decisions to resist tyranny by themselves when the time was right, or ripe.

Nobody intervened on behalf of the 13 colonies, they fought it out tooth and nail against the Red Coats and won. So the Syrian rebels must do the same thing.

The US/UK maniacs are jumping in all around the world intervening and nation building and it is wrong. And it causes blow-back. It it will continue to cause blow-back. And all the NSA Homeland Security Obama Drones of Destruction and NTSA gropings at airports and iris scans and RFID chips and CCTVs and satellite images WILL NOT STOP THE BLOW-BACK, as it is a natural reaction to a foreign force meddling in your business.

[Dia bando]

I can see how people in England and America are more free than people in SYria or people in Iraq under Saddam. Nobody is disputing that. I would of course anyday rather be in America than Syria or Iraq, nobody I hope is disputing that either. So I can see the logic, though well, well stretched to unidentifiable proportions, that "Its better to have the US/UK system of governance imposed over the whole world rather than the Assad or the Saddam systems."

But that is just pure logic, like a Darwinian anthem, that "we may as well bully our way around like a world policeman because we would rather that all the world is like the US/UK".

It has to be allowed to happen naturally, if it happens at ALL, as the 13 colonies of King George naturally and in due course took the decisions to resist tyranny by themselves when the time was right, or ripe.

Nobody intervened on behalf of the 13 colonies, they fought it out tooth and nail against the Red Coats and won. So the Syrian rebels must do the same thing.

The US/UK maniacs are jumping in all around the world intervening and nation building and it is wrong. And it causes blow-back. It it will continue to cause blow-back. And all the NSA Homeland Security Obama Drones of Destruction and NTSA gropings at airports and iris scans and RFID chips and CCTVs and satellite images WILL NOT STOP THE BLOW-BACK, as it is a natural reaction to a foreign force meddling in your business.

I have a Syrian friend, his cousins son and wife were dragged into the street and both executed,
shot in the head dreadful, he was devastated he told me he was very worried about the rest of
his family.! Trouble is our Western way's are totally unsuitable, for the Middle East we may think
we are the dogs bollocks, we are in our own back yard, but not so in others .!
Remember our life style suits us, but it may not suit others and we should not force our ways onto
others, as the song goes, White man came across the sea he brought us, pain and misery never a true
word.

[Kirkland Laing]

Is there Oil there ??.

Not enough to make it a consideration in whether we get involved or not. If there was a lot of oil there we'd have been stuck in ages ago.

The Syrian war is just getting started. It could easily last another decade. And the west getting involved isn't going to help things any. Hopefully they just fire a few missiles and then let the Syrians get on with it.

And there's zero chance of any wider conflict developing (except into Lebanon, Iraq and so on.) We heard the same nonsense about Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Libya, you name it. Hopefully even the Americans and Brits won't be dumb enough to put boots on the ground there, certainly nobody else is.

[El Kabong]

Is there Oil there ??.

Not enough to make it a consideration in whether we get involved or not. If there was a lot of oil there we'd have been stuck in ages ago.

The Syrian war is just getting started. It could easily last another decade. And the west getting involved isn't going to help things any. Hopefully they just fire a few missiles and then let the Syrians get on with it.

And there's zero chance of any wider conflict developing (except into Lebanon, Iraq and so on.) We heard the same nonsense about Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Libya, you name it. Hopefully even the Americans and Brits won't be dumb enough to put boots on the ground there, certainly nobody else is.

Oil is their main export but go on, you were saying?

Also it seems that YOUR President will be using force without Congress having had a vote to allow that.....but hell what do I know? You were on the whole "Hope & Change" bandwagon perhaps you can explain which part of that, attacking Syria without a Congressional vote authorizing force or UN support is....Hope or Change

[Master]

They should get support and mandate from the UN.

[imp]

They should get support and mandate from the UN.

UN are pointless and powerless

[Master]

They should get support and mandate from the UN.

UN are pointless and powerless

Everything goes there and they need the full support from China and Russia.