How is Tyson not the greatest heavyweight puncher?

[Morgan-B-Howell]

He was a lethal puncher. When he was coming through with Cus D'amato (& Kevin Rooney) he was also an incredible combination puncher with great movement and balance. The reason we all still talk about him was because pre-1988 he was brilliant and no one could touch him at the time. It didn't last and he was flawed which is the other reason we still talk about him. But even after this time he was still fantastic in the ring, even in defeat.

[smashup]

Im reading his new book at the moment and if what he's saying is true then we only saw the very best of him a few times , by the time he'd won the belts he was partying hard , drinking loads and fucking anything with a pulse.
Makes you wonder how much more devastating he could have been if Cus could have been by his side.
By the time he fought Bruno he was a mess and was still able to destroy opponents.

For me and at his peak no one could match him for power in either fist.

The man really was dynamite and was fierce with his body attacks too.

Good book if you haven't read it yet

[Beanflicker]

Yeah it's probably the best autobiography I've ever read, and I read a lot.

He really was a crazy piece of shit outside the ring.

[FinitoElDinamita]

I just wanna remember tyson from the 80s..

Id also like to mention Joe Louis and Bowe.. Louis' punch was short and compact just like tyson but the result was devastating..

Riddick Bowe is the best puncher out of the superheavyweights... he was the first superheavy with fluid movement and its crazy to think that a big man like him were to throw these smooth compact punches.. Riddick Bowe was sick!

[smashup]

Yeah it's probably the best autobiography I've ever read, and I read a lot.

He really was a crazy piece of shit outside the ring.

One seriously mixed up bag of emotions for sure.

Is a really good read

[Master]

Yeah it's probably the best autobiography I've ever read, and I read a lot.

He really was a crazy piece of shit outside the ring.

One seriously mixed up bag of emotions for sure.

Is a really good read

I will get it when it comes to the library for free.

[Beanflicker]

Yeah it's probably the best autobiography I've ever read, and I read a lot.

He really was a crazy piece of shit outside the ring.

One seriously mixed up bag of emotions for sure.

Is a really good read

I will get it when it comes to the library for free.

Cheap fuck, give poor Iron Mike your money, he's hurting

[Master]

Yeah it's probably the best autobiography I've ever read, and I read a lot.

He really was a crazy piece of shit outside the ring.

One seriously mixed up bag of emotions for sure.

Is a really good read

I will get it when it comes to the library for free.

Cheap fuck, give poor Iron Mike your money, he's hurting

So am I.

Someone may buy it for me for my birthday or I can read it at WH Smiths.

[vfurlani]

The mob that make me laugh more are the ones that say Tyson wasn't a big puncher it was the combinations.

The fuck can anyone seriously watch Tyson and think - nahh he's not a powerful puncher he just throws lots.

I would say Tyson has to be in the argument. I would agree in his heyday the best pure puncher ever. George Foreman is bigger but doesn't have the hand speed in his prime. His punches were heavy, but he didn't have the snap. Tyson had hand speed close to Floyd Patterson, and with Tyson's weight advantage he has the power edge. Frazier, Gerry Conney (hook alone), are the only other ones I can say have power. Current crop - forget about it. Just to qualify, I am rating 70's and later, I can't say Marciano, Johnson, Johannson because I just don't know. Great subject.

[johnsebastianmiran]

Mike naturally has a great punch but let us not forget that on certain days we don't always have that energy and power in full gear so the speed must be worked on and the combinations have to be thrown with good timing. My assessment of Mike is that he as a monster with the one punch knockout power but those combinations he hit you with made you wish you did a swan dive in round one because they looked crippling but mark my words the only reason someone would be standing a little longer was because he did not make himself available for destruction and after a while Mike's blows made guys argue with their legs to get them the hell out of there.. People like Foreman had strength but they didn't use angles like Mike who was a true student of boxing history but the partying conflicted with his receiving a PHD in pugilism. Gerry Cooney well what can I say, Larry Holmes didn't feel like giving up the title and he played a good psychological game even though at the time I wondered if he could even spell the word he had an excellent night and fought intelligently.

[vfurlani]

Mike naturally has a great punch but let us not forget that on certain days we don't always have that energy and power in full gear so the speed must be worked on and the combinations have to be thrown with good timing. My assessment of Mike is that he as a monster with the one punch knockout power but those combinations he hit you with made you wish you did a swan dive in round one because they looked crippling but mark my words the only reason someone would be standing a little longer was because he did not make himself available for destruction and after a while Mike's blows made guys argue with their legs to get them the hell out of there.. People like Foreman had strength but they didn't use angles like Mike who was a true student of boxing history but the partying conflicted with his receiving a PHD in pugilism. Gerry Cooney well what can I say, Larry Holmes didn't feel like giving up the title and he played a good psychological game even though at the time I wondered if he could even spell the word he had an excellent night and fought intelligently.

What many forget and you are right on the money was early in his career he got his PHD in pugilism as you properly say. He had great combos. He was viscous with his Hooks and Uppercuts. He max combo's where 3 or 4 punches. Unfortunately that PHD turned into Dr. Kovorkian and good went to bad. Then he lost his heart.

[Beanflicker]

I think the bottom line is if you take a young angry kid with FANTASTIC genetics and natural athleticism, power and speed, and you make him live with a legendary boxing trainer, where he does nothing but train, study old films of all of boxing's greatest fighters and dream about being a world champ... eventually he's going to be really good a knocking motherfuckers out.

[vfurlani]

I think the bottom line is if you take a young angry kid with FANTASTIC genetics and natural athleticism, power and speed, and you make him live with a legendary boxing trainer, where he does nothing but train, study old films of all of boxing's greatest fighters and dream about being a world champ... eventually he's going to be really good a knocking motherfuckers out.

I can't say I would argue with that. I heard a quote from him months ago, that said something like, "You know what a tragedy is? Give a 20 year old millions of dollars and let him do whatever he wants....that's a tragedy" If he only knew then what he knows now how different would history have been. LOL.