Re: Every Great Boxer Has a Flaw
Originally Posted by
SlimTrae
I'll counter.
The example of RJJ vs Brannon occurred when?
Youth, prime?
That was and is my argument. That fight Roy was in his youth years
Fundamentals don't get lost as one grows older, speed does reflexes do.
So where was that for eight plus rounds against Glencoffe? Tarver?
And that example u listed is about it.
Roy vs Toney P4P fight, you would argue that was NOT Roy displaying talent, youth? , Rather fundamentals? What round?
What actions? DEFENSIVELY or offensively, please elaborate.
And for the statement of assumption, for me it is a proclamation. I even gave examples of fights where he did throw punches -plural. Saying Floyd could have thrown combos but chose not to ...
Is as far to the outer limits of claim Cassius Clay (could) have been a body puncher BUT..
He chose not too.
End game for me: Floyd did put shots together vs Corley, Gatti Augustus & -probably a few rookie fights. He doesn't throw them today because he doesn't throw them well.
Its on you gents: Good dialogue both ways!
I think where we differ is that you seem to be looking at athletic ability and technique like they're mutually exclusive: either one relies on technique/fundamentals, or he relies on athletic ability. Athletic ability, speed, reflexes, ect is what powers the technique. You can't succeed in boxing with just one or the other. You used the example of James Toney as a great fundamentalist, but to pull off that slick counter-punching, shoulder rolling defence, he needed the speed and reflexes to do it, as he was a great athlete when he was in shape. If you look at James in his prime and then when he hit his mid to late 30s... he was getting hit with shots he never would haven taken in his prime.
All that shit that Roy did - catching punches, slipping punches, ducking punches, rolling punches... that's not stuff he made up on the spot. That's hundreds of hours in the gym from childhood to adulthood to be able to do that stuff. Guys like Mike McCallum have listed Jones as the smartest fighter he's ever fought.
And to say Floyd can't throw combinations well? As good as Floyd is, as technically brilliant as he is, as long as he's been training... you really believe he couldn't figure out how to throw a combination well?
David Lemieux = Future MW Champ and P4P King
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