'88 Tyson DESTROYS '66 Ali

[SugarBoxing]

Ali's movement would have helped.

Imagine him fighting Marciano... Tyson would be far too strong, far too fast and Marciano plodding forward would absorb the full force of him. It would be like driving a beat up station wagon into an on coming freight train.

Depends on the ring size, when Ali fought Marciano in the exhibition fight/sparring, it was almost a phonebooth

SRL fought harlger in the largest ring possible just to give you the feel how it is important, couple feet off and SRL could have been KO'd

Also, watch Hopkins vs Glen Johnson, very small ring

[Bill Paxtom]

* Mike Tyson 'Model 1988' ......... Age 22

* Cassius Clay 'Model 1966' ....... Age 24
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Mae Britt ............. "What do you think Sammy. Does that 'Clay' guy have a chance."

Sammy Davis Jr. ... "No way my Swedish Bride. That Tyson kid is made of Iron, and he 'bites' like me."

[Beanflicker]

Clay would definitely get KTFO by Tyson.

He'd feel Tyson's heat!

[AdamGB]

Ali's movement would have helped.

Imagine him fighting Marciano... Tyson would be far too strong, far too fast and Marciano plodding forward would absorb the full force of him. It would be like driving a beat up station wagon into an on coming freight train.

Depends on the ring size, when Ali fought Marciano in the exhibition fight/sparring, it was almost a phonebooth

SRL fought harlger in the largest ring possible just to give you the feel how it is important, couple feet off and SRL could have been KO'd

Also, watch Hopkins vs Glen Johnson, very small ring

Tyson and Marciano could fight in a football pitch, Marciano marches right in either way.

[Ron Swanson]

i sure hope this is a joke I don't get or this thread is embarrassing

[El Kabong]

Clay was great in his era , but lots of fighters would have beaten him.

Name any fighter that would have even come close to beating Ali prior to his enforced 3 1/2 year lay off. There wasn't one
Remember we were robbed of seeing the prime Ali by politics. Ali wasn't the same fighter when he came back but he adapted & still beat them all.
Did you hear what Sonny Liston said after Clay-Liston 1 He said " They told me that boy couldn't punch... They LIED" !!!!!!!!!!!!

Well Joe Louis lost 3 years and it's hardly ever mentioned

[brocktonblockbust]

Ali probably out-octopuses Wladimir Klitschko for most deserved disqualifications for grabbing and holding and pulling behind the head. Its a toss-up, really between the 2 bums. Is all they were, really.

ali took so many crushing skull-shots from Frazier, Norton, Shavers, etc. he should have been banned from boxing by the Norton/Ali third fight. Just totally unnecessary and DEBILITATING head shots. Over and over. And clowning around, like an asshole. Watch Ali/Norton III. Totally disgusting.

George Foreman: "Ali NEVER beat Ken Norton."

FACT.

[TitoFan]

Well as much as this another "Ali hate thread" and I don't like participating in those.... I can't in good conscience say the thread title is wrong. Having said that, I think '88 Tyson destroys a lot of other past boxing champions, including Marciano.

[Beanflicker]

Well as much as this another "Ali hate thread" and I don't like participating in those.... I can't in good conscience say the thread title is wrong. Having said that, I think '88 Tyson destroys a lot of other past boxing champions, including Marciano.

I think you're right!

[El Kabong]

How'd Rocky get in this mix? Rocky was almost a light heavyweight so it's just erroneous to throw his name around with the bigger heavyweights and even Tyson had roughly 30 pounds on him. Rocky Marciano vs Bob Foster is a fair matchup, Rocky vs Michael Spinks, Rocky vs RJJ, etc. those are more valid.

Ali's footwork makes him hard for Tyson to track down and corner and even when Tyson does that Ali's very awkward and nontraditional head movement (leaning back instead of slipping side to side) makes it very difficult for Tyson to catch him. Tyson could go to the body but who went to the body successfully with Ali? Ali would fight to the death, Mike Tyson would fight hard, but there was quit in him I think there was more quit in Tyson than there ever was in Joe Frazier.

Ali would fuck Tyson mentally as well...."Is that all you got George", "What's my name?", "Don't you know I'm God"....these are things said during fights that threw off his opponents, I'm not sure Tyson could take that kind of needling.

I'm not saying Tyson is a bum, I'm saying he's just in for a HORRIBLE style matchup vs Ali...if Tucker and Smith last 12 then Ali makes 15 easy but wouldn't need to because he'd be winning rounds and Tyson would either foul out or get TKO'd.

[Master]

Just because Chuvalo landed punches does not mean Tyson would be allowed too against Ali. I think Ali will play mind games with Tyson and if Ali gets past the initial onslaught he could win. Tyson live was about to explode after 1988.

[Beanflicker]

if Tucker and Smith last 12 then Ali makes 15 easy

I don't think that's a good statement at all. Tucker and Smith had a lot of weight on '66 Ali.

But that aside... surviving against Tyson was a possibility. Tucker, Smith, Green, ect did it. But they were mostly in survival mode, giving away rounds to stay on their feet.

Surviving AND winning? Much harder. Tyson was an offensive whirlwind unlike anything Ali fought and Ali would end up taking some serious bombs.

[El Kabong]

Again, Ali is way too quick on his feet added in his reach and his defensive skills at that time plus his handspeed....I'm sorry Tyson may well beat a lot of champions, but Ali wouldn't have been one.

[Beanflicker]

Again, Ali is way too quick on his feet added in his reach and his defensive skills at that time plus his handspeed

Tyson was fast as shit too though. We're not talking about another lumbering mummy like Liston or Foreman.

My money is on the guy with the woman voice.

[El Kabong]

Again, Ali is way too quick on his feet added in his reach and his defensive skills at that time plus his handspeed

Tyson was fast as shit too though. We're not talking about another lumbering mummy like Liston or Foreman.

My money is on the guy with the woman voice.

Floyd Patterson had the same style and he was extremely fast as well....how'd that work out?