'88 Tyson DESTROYS '66 Ali

[El Kabong]

I think Holyfield would have given Ali Hell based on his style, Lennox, Vitali, Wlad based on size and athletic ability. Chris Byrd would have been difficult for Ali. Riddick Bowe may have been tough for him. Larry Holmes would always be tough for him. It's a style matchup that doesn't suit Tyson is all...Mike Tyson was great going forwards, well Ali was just as great going backwards, if you're a big puncher, if you're a pressure fighter you're going to be a Bull chasing a Matador the entire fight and Ali had the speed and skills to avoid Tyson's power. Ali's chin, his ability to recover, his ability to use his speed AS his power...that doesn't work well vs what Tyson did well.

[AdamGB]

Ali probably out-octopuses Wladimir Klitschko for most deserved disqualifications for grabbing and holding and pulling behind the head. Its a toss-up, really between the 2 bums. Is all they were, really.

ali took so many crushing skull-shots from Frazier, Norton, Shavers, etc. he should have been banned from boxing by the Norton/Ali third fight. Just totally unnecessary and DEBILITATING head shots. Over and over. And clowning around, like an asshole. Watch Ali/Norton III. Totally disgusting.

George Foreman: "Ali NEVER beat Ken Norton."

FACT.

Another Ali hate thread, another post where you complain about Ali fighting dirty...

I should really call you a hypocrite for idolising one of the dirtiest heavyweight champions ever yet having the gile to complain about fighters that clinch a lot deserving to be DQ'd but I can't be bothered to get tagged in dozens of mental threads by you again!

[Beanflicker]

Floyd Patterson had the same style and he was extremely fast as well....how'd that work out?

Pshh now I know you ain't comparing Floyd Patterson and prime Tyson.

Kevin Rooney had the same style too. Mike made that shit work like no one else... come on man!

[brocktonblockbust]

@AdamGB another post in which you point that out, another post in which you 'blame' the ~ref~ for `calling` too many <warnings> against 'Ali'.

[El Kabong]

Floyd Patterson had the same style and he was extremely fast as well....how'd that work out?

Pshh now I know you ain't comparing Floyd Patterson and prime Tyson.

Kevin Rooney had the same style too. Mike made that shit work like no one else... come on man!

Yeah and who basically ended Rooney's career? Arguello, a lanky fighter that could control distance. Ali didn't have the pop of Arguello, but he had length and speed as well as footwork.



Power punchers have to set their feet....Tyson wouldn't have been able to get those feet set vs Ali, I'm sorry man but Tyson was human even in 1988.

[El Kabong]

Interesting watch for you guys out there just to add to the discussion

[El Kabong]

At 4:09 of the video "Iron" Mike Tyson gives his honest take on the hypothetical Ali vs Tyson matchup. Maybe Mike is just paying respects, but either way he has very good things to say about Ali and even gets a little choked up talking about how great Ali was in the ring.


So there you have it straight from the horse's mouth "I can't beat that man, hell fuckin no, no fuckin way"

[AdamGB]

@AdamGB another post in which you point that out, another post in which you 'blame' the ~ref~ for `calling` too many <warnings> against 'Ali'.

Who said anything about refs or warninGs? Don't put words in my mouth.

It's not polite to put stuff in other men's mouths Brock...

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

At 4:09 of the video "Iron" Mike Tyson gives his honest take on the hypothetical Ali vs Tyson matchup. Maybe Mike is just paying respects, but either way he has very good things to say about Ali and even gets a little choked up talking about how great Ali was in the ring.


So there you have it straight from the horse's mouth "I can't beat that man, hell fuckin no, no fuckin way"

Ali had already said on the arseno hall show that he was sure Tyson would knock him out. or at least something to that effect.

I think they're just respectful of each other in different ways.

[greynotsoold]

You wouldn't beat Tyson, at his best, by moving and jabbing. Everything he did, the whole focus of the D'Amato style, is slipping the jab. If you are moving it let's him use his own fast and skillful feet. Then he cuts distance throws a shift into the mix and hits you with punches you don't see.
Two things to keep in mind. First, Ali moved almost exclusively to his left; if he did move right he didn't punch. That makes sense because he jabbed and followed his left foot. Second, Tyson didn't fight well inside but he did damage on the way in. That would also be the time Ali would be most vulnerable to getting nailed.

[SugarBoxing]

You wouldn't beat Tyson, at his best, by moving and jabbing. Everything he did, the whole focus of the D'Amato style, is slipping the jab. If you are moving it let's him use his own fast and skillful feet. Then he cuts distance throws a shift into the mix and hits you with punches you don't see.
Two things to keep in mind. First, Ali moved almost exclusively to his left; if he did move right he didn't punch. That makes sense because he jabbed and followed his left foot. Second, Tyson didn't fight well inside but he did damage on the way in. That would also be the time Ali would be most vulnerable to getting nailed.

As much has I love Tyson, I want to points out that prime Ali before the suspension was INSANE combination punchers, he could do it moving in all directions. So no, it is not just movign and sticking jab like he did in his late years

[C.J.Rock]

Clay was great in his era , but lots of fighters would have beaten him.

Name any fighter that would have even come close to beating Ali prior to his enforced 3 1/2 year lay off. There wasn't one
Remember we were robbed of seeing the prime Ali by politics. Ali wasn't the same fighter when he came back but he adapted & still beat them all.
Did you hear what Sonny Liston said after Clay-Liston 1 He said " They told me that boy couldn't punch... They LIED" !!!!!!!!!!!!

Well Joe Louis lost 3 years and it's hardly ever mentioned

Joe did nothing but box when he was in the US army He was used for propaganda purposes he never stopped training & fighting exhibitions Ali was banned from even training & sparring for 3 1/2 years. If Ali had been inducted we know very well where he'd have been sent

[C.J.Rock]

The great part about all this is everyone has their own opinion one is no more important than the others. It wouldn't be fun if we all agreed on everything

[Bill Paxtom]

Cassius Clay

~ Fun-Filled Fact #16 ~

Cassius Clay {1st-Reign}, never fought a 'Young Buck'.

Could a younger Mike Tyson defeat a 24 year-old Cassius Clay.
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"Damn right he could. You wouldn't believe what us young Adult's can do. I was the 'Princess of Porn' at Age; 17. "

Traci Lords ..... {1985}

[Dark Lord Al]

Clay was great in his era , but lots of fighters would have beaten him.

Name any fighter that would have even come close to beating Ali prior to his enforced 3 1/2 year lay off. There wasn't one
Remember we were robbed of seeing the prime Ali by politics. Ali wasn't the same fighter when he came back but he adapted & still beat them all.
Did you hear what Sonny Liston said after Clay-Liston 1 He said " They told me that boy couldn't punch... They LIED" !!!!!!!!!!!!

No we didn't see Clay because he chose not to fight for the country that had made him rich , because he was a coward.