Can we safely say that Hunter sucks as a trainer?

[VG_Addict]

Like I said, Khan has ALWAYS been mostly speed. Without it, he has a low ring IQ, poor defense, no inside game, and a glass jaw.

Oh I see. So you want Hunter to suck to justify your pre determined opinion.

No, I'm saying it doesn't look like Hunter has improved Khan after Friday.

Khan is still vulnerable to the left hook, is vulnerable to overhand rights, looks uncomfortable on the back foot, still has no inside game, and still has poor defense.

And don't tell me, "Oh, Khan is still getting used to Hunter", because he's been with Khan for 4 fights now, Diaz, Collazo, Alexander, and Algieri. That's enough time to get used to a trainer.

You say "still" so you know these were problems with Khan before Hunter. Yet you blame Hunter. And you see nothing strange about this?

Well, it's the trainer's job to fix a fighter's flaws.

And it's not just Khan. Mares looked worse under Hunter.

[Ron Swanson]

Like I said, Khan has ALWAYS been mostly speed. Without it, he has a low ring IQ, poor defense, no inside game, and a glass jaw.

Oh I see. So you want Hunter to suck to justify your pre determined opinion.

No, I'm saying it doesn't look like Hunter has improved Khan after Friday.

Khan is still vulnerable to the left hook, is vulnerable to overhand rights, looks uncomfortable on the back foot, still has no inside game, and still has poor defense.

And don't tell me, "Oh, Khan is still getting used to Hunter", because he's been with Khan for 4 fights now, Diaz, Collazo, Alexander, and Algieri. That's enough time to get used to a trainer.

You say "still" so you know these were problems with Khan before Hunter. Yet you blame Hunter. And you see nothing strange about this?

Well, it's the trainer's job to fix a fighter's flaws.

And it's not just Khan. Mares looked worse under Hunter.

So you want Hunter to fix all those flaws? Perhaps he should just grab the first big bloke he sees on the streets and turn him into Lennox Lewis as well? Because it's so easy to fix anyone right?

[greynotsoold]

How do you fix a guy that doesn't believe he needs fixing?

[SlimTrae]

Hunter is a decent trainer.
As the saying goes; styles make fights, maybe this exists with trainers?

I think every(great) trainer has worked with fighters they just couldn't improve_under any circumstances.
A few examples:

Enzo Calzaghe great with Joe Calzaghe-sucked with Enzo Macrinelli.
Freddie Roach got Toney who was already a great fighter-fortunate to have gotten Pac (and Hunter wouldn't look great as Pacquiao's trainer?)

Roach had a fighter named Justin Juuko- Roach did no better with him than Steward with Jermaine Taylor , or in this case Hunter with Khan.

[beenKOed]

My complaint about the Hunters is more about their fight plans. Barry Hunter had Peterson giving away half the fight to Garcia, and Virgil Hunter was surprised Algieri came out aggressively against Khan.

Trainers are supposed to be the brains, the guys with foresight who are on top of things. I'm not seeing that form the Hunters, lately.
If I'm wrong, tell me.

[Ron Swanson]

My complaint about the Hunters is more about their fight plans. Barry Hunter had Peterson giving away half the fight to Garcia, and Virgil Hunter was surprised Algieri came out aggressively against Khan.

Trainers are supposed to be the brains, the guys with foresight who are on top of things. I'm not seeing that form the Hunters, lately.
If I'm wrong, tell me.

That's a hell of a lot more reasonable than those that expect Hunter to turn a very flawed fighter into a perfect fighter.

[Fenster]

Khan said he was flat in the fight because he was over trained, needs to get back his natural instinct and that Hunter is trying to turn him into Andre Ward which doesn't suit him. (That last part is blatantly obvious)

Wonder how much longer they'll be together? Goodnight vienna.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Khan said he was flat in the fight because he was over trained, needs to get back his natural instinct and that Hunter is trying to turn him into Andre Ward which doesn't suit him. (That last part is blatantly obvious)

Wonder how much longer they'll be together? Goodnight vienna.

I thought he looked slower than normal. Against Alexander he was lightening quick but looked sluggish by comparison.

[Fenster]

Yeah he did look slower but I credited that to Algieri, who looks pretty swift himself. Maybe Khan did have an off night though due to leaving it in the gym

[Primo Carnera]

Maybe Khan did have an off night, but he's always looking for an excuse. Now apparently he's moaning because Hunter is trying to turn him into Andre Ward.
If I was Hunter, I'd kick him out of the gym right now and tell him to find himself another trainer. He's had more fucking trainers than he's had fights!
You can't make a silk purse out of a pigs ear

[El Kabong]

Meh...remember Algieri lasted the distance with Pacquiao as well. It takes more than 1-2 fights for a trainer to really make an impact.

[beenKOed]

Yeah he did look slower but I credited that to Algieri, who looks pretty swift himself. Maybe Khan did have an off night though due to leaving it in the gym

Damn, I hate that excuse! 'I trained too hard or too long and that's why I lost the fight.' That even makes Hunter look worse, and it doesn't do much for Khan's rep either. After 34 pro fights (and how many amateur?) Khan doesn't know when he's over doing it in the gym? Maybe the bottle tricks pushed him over the edge, or maybe he spent too much time battering defenseless bottles instead of training. I know fighters can and do over train, but why do we hear 'Best Camp Ever' before the fight and 'I Over Trained' after a poor performance?
JDJ and Algieri made Hunter and Khan look bad, is what happened, with a better fight plan. Might have pulled it off if Hunter had lost his head. JDJ gets some points, Hunter drops some no way to get around it, in my opinion.

[SlimTrae]

Yeah he did look slower but I credited that to Algieri, who looks pretty swift himself. Maybe Khan did have an off night though due to leaving it in the gym

Damn, I hate that excuse! 'I trained too hard or too long and that's why I lost the fight.' That even makes Hunter look worse, and it doesn't do much for Khan's rep either. After 34 pro fights (and how many amateur?) Khan doesn't know when he's over doing it in the gym? Maybe the bottle tricks pushed him over the edge, or maybe he spent too much time battering defenseless bottles instead of training. I know fighters can and do over train, but why do we hear 'Best Camp Ever' before the fight and 'I Over Trained' after a poor performance?
JDJ and Algieri made Hunter and Khan look bad, is what happened, with a better fight plan. Might have pulled it off if Hunter had lost his head. JDJ gets some points, Hunter drops some no way to get around it, in my opinion.

I agree. Chad Dawson went through trainer after trainer making the same excuse. I (think) John David Jackson got thrown under the bus when Allen Green lost to Andre Ward.
Claimed he was over trained.
And was fighting in the wrong weight class.

[El Kabong]

Chad Dawson was/is mental isn't he. He switched trainers like underwear...he NEVER learned his spacing, he'd smother himself vs anyone. He wanted to fight inside AND from distance with incompatible defense and attacks. You can't get and keep distance in attack AND have to use the Philly Shell/Shoulder roll. You either get in the pocket and need to utilize that defense in which case you need to tighten up your attack OR you're fighting from the outside and don't need that specific defense. I can understand wanting to change it up and confuse your opponent going inside and outside, but ffs he just tried doing waaaaay too much waaaay too often. He should have learned to fight within himself instead of being the Jack of All Trades but Master of none.

[SlimTrae]

Chad Dawson was/is mental isn't he. He switched trainers like underwear...he NEVER learned his spacing, he'd smother himself vs anyone. He wanted to fight inside AND from distance with incompatible defense and attacks. You can't get and keep distance in attack AND have to use the Philly Shell/Shoulder roll. You either get in the pocket and need to utilize that defense in which case you need to tighten up your attack OR you're fighting from the outside and don't need that specific defense. I can understand wanting to change it up and confuse your opponent going inside and outside, but ffs he just tried doing waaaaay too much waaaay too often. He should have learned to fight within himself instead of being the Jack of All Trades but Master of none.

Yeah. Personally, I think he has so much talent AND....skill.
Not sure what happened to him. My best guess is what you've stated.
Well said.