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    Default Re: Name 5 heavyweights that beat Anthony Joshua!

    Honestly I think he might fair better vs a Wilder than he would a Jennings all things considered though neither should be anywhere near next just yet. Arreola looked far beyond it and hurt easy in his last out.

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    Default Re: Name 5 heavyweights that beat Anthony Joshua!

    Heavyweight is a different ball game just ask David price.

    I don't doubt that Joshua is the more talented fighter between him and fury but talent will only get you so far when being punched in the face by a heavyweight.

    No need to rush. Chisora at best.
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    Default Re: Name 5 heavyweights that beat Anthony Joshua!

    Quote Originally Posted by tysonesque View Post
    Let's not pretend this is the guy who went 12 rounds with Vitali.

    Johnson has lost 6 of his last 7 fights and is little more than a shot journeyman who only throws jabs.

    The stoppage was impressive, but no one should get too carried away. Joshua is still at the stage where he is fighting hand picked stiffs who pose him no threat and that's all Johnson ever was. Joshua was never going to be tested by a guy who doesn't throw any meaningful punches.

    We still don't know anything about Joshua that we didn't already know. He's young, in great shape and hits very hard. We've known that from day one.
    I gotta go with your excellent comment. I do think Joshua has all the potential and want him to become Great. But, it's far to early to be expecting or predicting based on so few fights.

    Plenty of decent tests out there and there will be opponents who make the fight dull and go the distance - all Heavyweights need those fights and will get them. The genuine ones.

    I was impressed the way he disposed of Johnson and only a hater wouldn't but you've summed up Kingpins actual ambition and that's spot on.

    Joshua is a big powerful beast but he needs rounds, aggressive/tough opponents before messing with the better fighters in the division. Any boxing fan who has a knowledge of the sport, knows how the previous best Heavyweights did it and the same applies to Joshua.

    I'm just glad we got an exciting journey to watch.

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    Default Re: Name 5 heavyweights that beat Anthony Joshua!

    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    You lot are mad.Joshua has not gone over 6 rounds and yet you think he could beat Tyson nowy . Is this an alternative saddo dimension I have posted into?
    3 rounds master

    I have to admit im impressed with how how strong he looked over a fitter looking Johnson but im equally unimpressed with Johnson for his lack of effort.

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    Default Re: Name 5 heavyweights that beat Anthony Joshua!

    Quote Originally Posted by ross View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    You lot are mad.Joshua has not gone over 6 rounds and yet you think he could beat Tyson nowy . Is this an alternative saddo dimension I have posted into?
    3 rounds master

    I have to admit im impressed with how how strong he looked over a fitter looking Johnson but im equally unimpressed with Johnson for his lack of effort.


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    Default Re: Name 5 heavyweights that beat Anthony Joshua!

    Quote Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tysonesque View Post
    Let's not pretend this is the guy who went 12 rounds with Vitali.

    Johnson has lost 6 of his last 7 fights and is little more than a shot journeyman who only throws jabs.

    The stoppage was impressive, but no one should get too carried away. Joshua is still at the stage where he is fighting hand picked stiffs who pose him no threat and that's all Johnson ever was. Joshua was never going to be tested by a guy who doesn't throw any meaningful punches.

    We still don't know anything about Joshua that we didn't already know. He's young, in great shape and hits very hard. We've known that from day one.
    I gotta go with your excellent comment. I do think Joshua has all the potential and want him to become Great. But, it's far to early to be expecting or predicting based on so few fights.

    Plenty of decent tests out there and there will be opponents who make the fight dull and go the distance - all Heavyweights need those fights and will get them. The genuine ones.

    I was impressed the way he disposed of Johnson and only a hater wouldn't but you've summed up Kingpins actual ambition and that's spot on.

    Joshua is a big powerful beast but he needs rounds, aggressive/tough opponents before messing with the better fighters in the division. Any boxing fan who has a knowledge of the sport, knows how the previous best Heavyweights did it and the same applies to Joshua.

    I'm just glad we got an exciting journey to watch.
    I think it's time to step him up a level. Joshua needs to fight a guy who genuinely believes he can beat him and it needs to be in a fight that means something.

    They should be looking to get him a British title fight and then put him in there with Price. I can't see Joshua walking straight through Price and he'll have some respect for his power, so he'll have to put more thought into his work. It's still a very winnable fight for AJ, but he'll get a taste of what it's like to fight a big ambitious guy who carries a threat.

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    Default Re: Name 5 heavyweights that beat Anthony Joshua!

    Joshua may well turn out to have a glass jaw , indeed that is possible . Lets judge him on what we see , he is athletic ,powerful , fast and throws combinations really well for a big guy. People may not rate him which is an opinion and is fine , however take Tyson fury as an example , he isn't powerful , proven has a suspect chin , is out of shape , and one of his best wins is against the weak kevin Johnson , who he failed to even get close to stopping.
    So lets enjoy Joshua for what he is , a young athlete with lots of potential, maybe not the real deal but exciting to watch and humble with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al View Post
    Joshua may well turn out to have a glass jaw , indeed that is possible . Lets judge him on what we see , he is athletic ,powerful , fast and throws combinations really well for a big guy. People may not rate him which is an opinion and is fine , however take Tyson fury as an example , he isn't powerful , proven has a suspect chin , is out of shape , and one of his best wins is against the weak kevin Johnson , who he failed to even get close to stopping.
    So lets enjoy Joshua for what he is , a young athlete with lots of potential, maybe not the real deal but exciting to watch and humble with it.
    You say Tyson is out of shape. Do you mean he doesnt have a homoerotic sculpted body? He does a decent paced 12 rounds fine.

    On the Bayloric youtube channel Peter Fury said Tyson visited the gym to spar Johnson in prep for this fight as a favour to Johnson. He was 21 stone apparently and Johnson couldnt last 30 seconds with him so Peter told him to just go home as theres no point being there.

    Tyson may not give you a stiffy with his abs and muscular arms but he moves well and fluid and can fight a fast pace over 12. If thats not being in shape what is?

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    Default Re: Name 5 heavyweights that beat Anthony Joshua!

    Quote Originally Posted by ross View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al View Post
    Joshua may well turn out to have a glass jaw , indeed that is possible . Lets judge him on what we see , he is athletic ,powerful , fast and throws combinations really well for a big guy. People may not rate him which is an opinion and is fine , however take Tyson fury as an example , he isn't powerful , proven has a suspect chin , is out of shape , and one of his best wins is against the weak kevin Johnson , who he failed to even get close to stopping.
    So lets enjoy Joshua for what he is , a young athlete with lots of potential, maybe not the real deal but exciting to watch and humble with it.
    You say Tyson is out of shape. Do you mean he doesnt have a homoerotic sculpted body? He does a decent paced 12 rounds fine.

    On the Bayloric youtube channel Peter Fury said Tyson visited the gym to spar Johnson in prep for this fight as a favour to Johnson. He was 21 stone apparently and Johnson couldnt last 30 seconds with him so Peter told him to just go home as theres no point being there.

    Tyson may not give you a stiffy with his abs and muscular arms but he moves well and fluid and can fight a fast pace over 12. If thats not being in shape what is?

    He has a good engine but he isn't in top physical shape , no athlete carrys that much fat around the waist. He may fight at an even better pace if he lost some of the fat around his waist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ross View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al View Post
    Joshua may well turn out to have a glass jaw , indeed that is possible . Lets judge him on what we see , he is athletic ,powerful , fast and throws combinations really well for a big guy. People may not rate him which is an opinion and is fine , however take Tyson fury as an example , he isn't powerful , proven has a suspect chin , is out of shape , and one of his best wins is against the weak kevin Johnson , who he failed to even get close to stopping.
    So lets enjoy Joshua for what he is , a young athlete with lots of potential, maybe not the real deal but exciting to watch and humble with it.
    You say Tyson is out of shape. Do you mean he doesnt have a homoerotic sculpted body? He does a decent paced 12 rounds fine.

    On the Bayloric youtube channel Peter Fury said Tyson visited the gym to spar Johnson in prep for this fight as a favour to Johnson. He was 21 stone apparently and Johnson couldnt last 30 seconds with him so Peter told him to just go home as theres no point being there.

    Tyson may not give you a stiffy with his abs and muscular arms but he moves well and fluid and can fight a fast pace over 12. If thats not being in shape what is?

    He has a good engine but he isn't in top physical shape , no athlete carrys that much fat around the waist. He may fight at an even better pace if he lost some of the fat around his waist.
    Agreed he may be even better carrying less excess but as you just admitted, its undeniable hes one of the fittest heavies around today. Stiverne and Arreola didnt get any criticism for the blubber they carry and they are in fat worse shape than Tyson, even Pulev and Povetkin carry excess.

    Im almost certain that if a fighter can get Joshua past 4 rounds he will start to look very ordinary and will visibly tire.

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    Default Re: Name 5 heavyweights that beat Anthony Joshua!

    Quote Originally Posted by ross View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al View Post
    Joshua may well turn out to have a glass jaw , indeed that is possible . Lets judge him on what we see , he is athletic ,powerful , fast and throws combinations really well for a big guy. People may not rate him which is an opinion and is fine , however take Tyson fury as an example , he isn't powerful , proven has a suspect chin , is out of shape , and one of his best wins is against the weak kevin Johnson , who he failed to even get close to stopping.
    So lets enjoy Joshua for what he is , a young athlete with lots of potential, maybe not the real deal but exciting to watch and humble with it.
    You say Tyson is out of shape. Do you mean he doesnt have a homoerotic sculpted body? He does a decent paced 12 rounds fine.

    On the Bayloric youtube channel Peter Fury said Tyson visited the gym to spar Johnson in prep for this fight as a favour to Johnson. He was 21 stone apparently and Johnson couldnt last 30 seconds with him so Peter told him to just go home as theres no point being there.

    Tyson may not give you a stiffy with his abs and muscular arms but he moves well and fluid and can fight a fast pace over 12. If thats not being in shape what is?
    Theres no evidence of this. He went 12 rounds twice both were against opponents who couldnt put any pressure on him. He boxed completely at his own pace. This is completely different then fighting a guy like Wlad who is constantly throwing punches at you. He may well be fit but going the distance with Johnson and Chisora doesnt prove that.

    Theres no doubt Joshua could have gone 12 with Johnson if he wanted.
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    Default Re: Name 5 heavyweights that beat Anthony Joshua!

    Quote Originally Posted by Vendettos View Post
    I'm stumped.

    Walked through a guy that went 12 with Vitali Klitschko.

    The power is real people.
    I think his youth and energy is real. His power is pretty good for a heavyweight, but not a Lennox Lewis power. But it is good.

    I think, at this stage, Wilder, Fury, Wlad, Povetkin and Stiverne may be a little too much for him. A healthy Helenius too.

    AJ is good, but not at that level yet. Not yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ross View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al View Post
    Joshua may well turn out to have a glass jaw , indeed that is possible . Lets judge him on what we see , he is athletic ,powerful , fast and throws combinations really well for a big guy. People may not rate him which is an opinion and is fine , however take Tyson fury as an example , he isn't powerful , proven has a suspect chin , is out of shape , and one of his best wins is against the weak kevin Johnson , who he failed to even get close to stopping.
    So lets enjoy Joshua for what he is , a young athlete with lots of potential, maybe not the real deal but exciting to watch and humble with it.
    You say Tyson is out of shape. Do you mean he doesnt have a homoerotic sculpted body? He does a decent paced 12 rounds fine.

    On the Bayloric youtube channel Peter Fury said Tyson visited the gym to spar Johnson in prep for this fight as a favour to Johnson. He was 21 stone apparently and Johnson couldnt last 30 seconds with him so Peter told him to just go home as theres no point being there.

    Tyson may not give you a stiffy with his abs and muscular arms but he moves well and fluid and can fight a fast pace over 12. If thats not being in shape what is?
    Theres no evidence of this. He went 12 rounds twice both were against opponents who couldnt put any pressure on him. He boxed completely at his own pace. This is completely different then fighting a guy like Wlad who is constantly throwing punches at you. He may well be fit but going the distance with Johnson and Chisora doesnt prove that.

    Theres no doubt Joshua could have gone 12 with Johnson if he wanted.
    On what evidence?

    He was never going to have to go 12 with Johnson but I think you are going to be surprised at how much his training effects his stamina in the first fight he is taken the distance.

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    On the evidence that Johnson doesnt throw punches. Its not hard throwing 30 jabs and a dozen right hands a round. Thats all Joshua would have to do to go the distance. Pull his punches a bit and anytime Johnsn gets brave put him in his place. If he can do 20 rounds in sparring he can do 12 against a bum.

    I really dont know where you come up with some of this stuff Ross. Because hes in shape hes over training? Seriously why do you hate guys who are in shape? Hes a breath of fresh air for the heavyweight division and has passed every test so far. You seemed to think that Johnson would last some rounds but Joshua blew him away. You can try say Johnson was worse than you expected but in fairness thats how he always fights. He is muck like 99% of the heavyweights out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe View Post
    On the evidence that Johnson doesnt throw punches. Its not hard throwing 30 jabs and a dozen right hands a round. Thats all Joshua would have to do to go the distance. Pull his punches a bit and anytime Johnsn gets brave put him in his place. If he can do 20 rounds in sparring he can do 12 against a bum.

    I really dont know where you come up with some of this stuff Ross. Because hes in shape hes over training? Seriously why do you hate guys who are in shape? Hes a breath of fresh air for the heavyweight division and has passed every test so far. You seemed to think that Johnson would last some rounds but Joshua blew him away. You can try say Johnson was worse than you expected but in fairness thats how he always fights. He is muck like 99% of the heavyweights out there.
    Just because Johnson may not throw alot of punches doesnt mean Joshua still may not have tired. Hes falling in love with his power like Haye did and is throwing everything. I thought he looked a little gassed in the second after a burst as he didnt continue to throw like Eubank Jr did in the 12th against Chudinov. 4 or 5 rounds of trying to stop Johnson after never fighting beyond 3 rounds and he would have been tired.

    Where do I get this from? From watching fighters tire them selves out believing they are destroyers, like Haye and Price.

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