US in deep trouble with it's ISIS/Turkey/Kurdish policies

[brocktonblockbust]

Let's see if I have this right, Turkey attacks the Kurds who are fighting ISIS. Israel Attacks Hezbollah and Syrian Forces Fighting ISIS. The Saudi's and UAE fund ISIS and the US Government supports all these actions against those fighting ISIS while claiming publicly that the are fighting ISIS. Now if I were one of those tin foil hat guys I would say actions speak louder than words. I would say that by attacking those who are fighting ISIS you are actually helping ISIS.

@El Kabong
@Kirkland Laing
@Gandalf
@TitoFan

The Kurds are fighting for their very lives and the US allowing Turkey to do so serves only the interests of IS! And the US is supposed to be fighting IS while, allowing Turkey to annihilate the Kurds? The Kurds will fight back because they have no choice and Turkey will pay dearly in the end. Now, Turkey will have to deal with the Kurds and IS both coming after their military.

Now Turkey (a NATO ally) and the Kurds are at war. So here are most of the groups warring over there... the U.S., Turkey, the Kurds, the Islamic State, Al-Nusra Front, al-Jabab, plus the moderate rebels of Syria, Assad's forces, the Iraqi government forces, the Shia militias, al-Qaeda, Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the Houthis in Yemen, Boko Haram, and a bunch of groups in Africa.

[Dia bando]

Let's see if I have this right, Turkey attacks the Kurds who are fighting ISIS. Israel Attacks Hezbollah and Syrian Forces Fighting ISIS. The Saudi's and UAE fund ISIS and the US Government supports all these actions against those fighting ISIS while claiming publicly that the are fighting ISIS. Now if I were one of those tin foil hat guys I would say actions speak louder than words. I would say that by attacking those who are fighting ISIS you are actually helping ISIS.

@El Kabong
@Kirkland Laing
@Gandalf
@TitoFan

The Kurds are fighting for their very lives and the US allowing Turkey to do so serves only the interests of IS! And the US is supposed to be fighting IS while, allowing Turkey to annihilate the Kurds? The Kurds will fight back because they have no choice and Turkey will pay dearly in the end. Now, Turkey will have to deal with the Kurds and IS both coming after their military.

Now Turkey (a NATO ally) and the Kurds are at war. So here are most of the groups warring over there... the U.S., Turkey, the Kurds, the Islamic State, Al-Nusra Front, al-Jabab, plus the moderate rebels of Syria, Assad's forces, the Iraqi government forces, the Shia militias, al-Qaeda, Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the Houthis in Yemen, Boko Haram, and a bunch of groups in Africa.

Well I can't believe it what a mess, strange indeed they are bombing the Kurds for retaliation
for the death of 2 police men.

[walrus]

It really is a debacle. Apparently the Turks are in talks with the Kurds. Turkey has also opened itself to attacks by isil but many Arab states have been asking for us help with Isis. Problem is I don't think the issue can be resolved from the air. The American population is not in favor of boots on the ground in the mid east. I'm sure we have special forces around. Like @Gandalf always says the US needs to step up drone attacks. To quote miles, the more drones the better and invasion is the way to go. Damn that guy is a hawk. He must have US defense stocks in his portfolio.

[Gandalf]

Exactly Walrus. If there is one thing to learn from the 21st century, it is that arms are a sound investment.

[Kirkland Laing]

@you lot.

Remember our current Syria strategy? We're training a bunch of moderate nutjobs to fight the Islamic nutjobs. Turns out the moderate nutjobs aren't doing so well.........

A Pentagon program to train moderate Syrian insurgents to fight the Islamic State has been vexed by problems of recruitment, screening, dismissals and desertions that have left only a tiny band of fighters ready to do battle.
Those fighters — 54 in all — suffered perhaps their most embarrassing setback yet on Thursday. One of their leaders, a Syrian Army defector who recruited them, was abducted in Syria near the Turkish border, along with his deputy who commands the trainees....Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter has acknowledged the shortfalls, citing strict screening standards, which have created a backlog of 7,000 recruits waiting to be vetted. Mr. Carter has insisted the numbers will increase.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/31/wo...-in-syria.html

A Syrian insurgent group at the heart of the Pentagon’s effort to fight the Islamic State came under intense attack on Friday....The American-led coalition responded with airstrikes to help the American-aligned unit, known as Division 30, in fighting off the assault....The attack on Friday was mounted by the Nusra Front, which is affiliated with Al Qaeda. It came a day after the Nusra Front captured two leaders and at least six fighters of Division 30, which supplied the first trainees to graduate from the Pentagon’s anti-Islamic State training program.
....“This wasn’t supposed to happen like this,” said one former senior American official, who was working closely on Syria issues until recently, and who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss confidential intelligence assessments....Division 30 said in a statement that five of its fighters were killed in the firefight on Friday, 18 were wounded and 20 were captured by the Nusra Front. It was not clear whether the 20 captives included the six fighters and two commanders captured a day earlier....

A spokesman for the American military, Col. Patrick S. Ryder, wrote in an email statement that “we are confident that this attack will not deter Syrians from joining the program to fight for Syria,” and added that the program “is making progress.”
....[A senior] defense official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence reports, described what he called “silver linings” to the attack on Friday: that the trainees had fought effectively in the battle, and that coalition warplanes responded quickly with airstrikes to support them.




http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/01/wo...roup.html?_r=0




So depending on how you count it there are either three or eleven moderate nutjobs left alive. Out of a whopping total of 54 trained nutjobs since we stated this policy a couple of years ago. Impressive.

[walrus]

Erdogan in Turkey has his own agenda for this. I think he wants to bomb Kurds so he can get enough support to alter the countries constitution to get more power. I'm sure the US is throwing him a few billion as well. Erdogan is a strange guy, we might be seeing Brock in a Burkah if Erdogan gets his hands on the Turkish constitution.

[walrus]

@you lot.

Remember our current Syria strategy? We're training a bunch of moderate nutjobs to fight the Islamic nutjobs. Turns out the moderate nutjobs aren't doing so well.........

A Pentagon program to train moderate Syrian insurgents to fight the Islamic State has been vexed by problems of recruitment, screening, dismissals and desertions that have left only a tiny band of fighters ready to do battle.
Those fighters — 54 in all — suffered perhaps their most embarrassing setback yet on Thursday. One of their leaders, a Syrian Army defector who recruited them, was abducted in Syria near the Turkish border, along with his deputy who commands the trainees....Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter has acknowledged the shortfalls, citing strict screening standards, which have created a backlog of 7,000 recruits waiting to be vetted. Mr. Carter has insisted the numbers will increase.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/31/wo...-in-syria.html

A Syrian insurgent group at the heart of the Pentagon’s effort to fight the Islamic State came under intense attack on Friday....The American-led coalition responded with airstrikes to help the American-aligned unit, known as Division 30, in fighting off the assault....The attack on Friday was mounted by the Nusra Front, which is affiliated with Al Qaeda. It came a day after the Nusra Front captured two leaders and at least six fighters of Division 30, which supplied the first trainees to graduate from the Pentagon’s anti-Islamic State training program.
....“This wasn’t supposed to happen like this,” said one former senior American official, who was working closely on Syria issues until recently, and who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss confidential intelligence assessments....Division 30 said in a statement that five of its fighters were killed in the firefight on Friday, 18 were wounded and 20 were captured by the Nusra Front. It was not clear whether the 20 captives included the six fighters and two commanders captured a day earlier....

A spokesman for the American military, Col. Patrick S. Ryder, wrote in an email statement that “we are confident that this attack will not deter Syrians from joining the program to fight for Syria,” and added that the program “is making progress.”
....[A senior] defense official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence reports, described what he called “silver linings” to the attack on Friday: that the trainees had fought effectively in the battle, and that coalition warplanes responded quickly with airstrikes to support them.




http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/01/wo...roup.html?_r=0




So depending on how you count it there are either three or eleven moderate nutjobs left alive. Out of a whopping total of 54 trained nutjobs since we stated this policy a couple of years ago. Impressive.

I don't know Kirk, with Iran, China and Russia backing Bashir Syria unfortunately becomes a chess game and the people living their are the ones that suffer while read about it and discuss it in the paper. I remember shortly before the doody hitting the fan there was a nyt magazine special about Bashir and his wife. His wife lived a very opulent lifestyle. I think it was one of the things that pissed the Syrian people off. It's a shame, Syria has a beautiful history with some of the oldest Christian communities in the world. Bashir actually took time to protect those Christians who are now being butchered by the caliphate. With the middle eastern history I know many of us in the US would love to visit it but who wants to visit a war torn country, I can go to Chicago for that. It's a shame the whole Damn thing, I hope the best for the people of Syria, I'm sure they are just walking around like WTF. People just want a decent life. We take so much for granted and then read and pontificate about it like we know what the he'll is going on.