Originally Posted by
Ron Swanson
Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
Originally Posted by
Ron Swanson
People always say todays crop is worse. During Haye's "prime" when he fought nobody before his wasted years when he fought nobody it was called "the worst era in heavyweight history" by most. AJ and Wilder are talented in any era. How much success they would have in different eras can be debated but they are talented without doubt.
Hey, we can all slag Haye off, but he went up to HW as the undisputed best CW out there. Bellew went up , probably not even as one of the top 5 CW's and he's fucking ranked in the top 10 ffs.
at the time it probably was "the worst era in heavyweight history" , but it's been overtaken.
in order to give balance, I said in my other reply to this thread, it has to be noted that AJ and Wilder have not peaked yet, so things can definitely change.
My point is divisions go through ups and downs and we get caught in an era thinking it has to be the worst, but there were probably worse times. I mean who was around for The Cinderella Man to become champ? Dude was as journeyman as they come. Mike Tyson’s early reign was so empty they had to bring names out of retirement. MW is only now starting to fill out with 154 guys coming up to have some depth for the first time since the early 90s. Divisions(other than WW and LW usually) go through slumps.
It is a bad HW era, but there are 2 very talented fighters that could face off. HW there often aren’t 2. It could very well turn into AJ and everyone else, but it isn’t yet.
Firstly, the only reason they had to bring names out of retirement for Tyson is because he was going through everyone like a dose of salts. At his peak , there was simply nobody around that could even take him a few rounds, let alone compete.
Secondly, it is a bad era and you're right in that there are 2 good guys that could face each other. The only stumbling block is , as with every division in this era, that they don't NEED to fight each other. Financially, they can carry on accusing each other of ducking and wanting the fight in their own respective countries because they can still make mega bucks without each other.
It is Laughable that a fight with a 25 stone Coke addict that hasn't boxed for over 2 years , and had only one good (very good actually) win on his record, makes more money for Joshua than a showdown with Wilder does.
This is no different in any division , Thurman/Spence/Crawford , Stevenson/Kovalev , Bellew holding his CW title to ransom when he had it all spring to mind and more.
now we can quite rightly say, "Don't they want to build a legacy?" but the answer is that they want that with the most money, most hype and least risk.
In previous times , guys wanted to , HAD to fight their main rivals because that's where the money was.
Joshua's purse was probably £20 - £30 Million for fighting a late replacement in his last fight. How the fuck is that gonna help make a Wilder fight?
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