James Comey/Hillary Clinton ***IN DEEP TROUBLE***

[El Kabong]

Also Rod Rosenstein wrote the memo recommending that Trump fire James Comey so what is there to investigate?

And again Lisa Page to Peter Strzok 9-2-2016 "POTUS wants to know everything we're doing"....not something, not a little bit, EVERYTHING


Kirkland, impeachment is not coming not today, not tomorrow, not next week....it's not going to happen because Trump would have to break the law and he didn't now Obama on the otherhand he did.

[brocktonblockbust]

There will be physical assassinations before this is all over. Or look for suspicious plane crashes

[El Kabong]

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Four things to understand about SPYGATE: 1) There was no spy in the Trump campaign. 2) The spying that did NOT happen was totally justified. 3) It would be bad for national security to identify the spy who doesn't exist. 4) His name is Stefan. #SPYGATE

Yes indeed his name IS Stefan, Stefan Halper.




FISA warrant abuse, spying, unmasking.....CORRUPTION....corruption in the Obama Administration and corruption in the Clinton campaign...ILLEGAL, bad news for the Dems.

[El Kabong]

Oh my

[Kirkland Laing]

He fired the head of the FBI, that's it, and now he's being investigated for obstruction of justice for doing it. The reaction to the firing was the DOJ appointed a special counsel to investigate any collusion with Russia or other foreign countries and also subsequent incidents like Trump firing the FBI head. If Trump did try and fire another FBI head or a bunch of people at the FBI you'd see some kind of fightback from the FBI/DOJ. It would be outright banana republic stuff if he did try and do it. He's currently going properly round the bend over the existing investigation. The fact his campaign was full of Russian spies/agents doesn't seem to made a dent in him, the real crime according to Trump is that the FBI launched a covert probe to see just how bad the Russian infiltration of his campaign was. That's some chutzpah. He's delusional. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018...ive-takes-hold

The Russian Collusion was being investigated anyway. Jeff Sessions appointed Rod Rosenstein as Jeff Sessions had recused himself. Rod Rosenstein then appointed Robert Mueller to run the investigation....ON RUSSIAN COLLUSION. There's 0 Kirkland, 0 about Trump firing Comey in this special council. The President reserves the right to fire the FBI Director, it's part of his Executive powers he wouldn't really even need a reason. However James Comey LEAKED classified information ADMITTED to doing so and was fired. James Comey also handled Hillary's secret server and lax dealings with classified information very poorly. Trump just appointed Christopher Wray as head of the FBI, why would he fire him? Alright, so let's assume Donald Trump's campaign WAS indeed full of Russian spies/agents.....there were FBI plants in his campaign, why did those fellows do nothing about these Russian spies/agents? The FBI attempted to entrap President Trump and they got caught with their hand in the cookie jar and things are going to wind up being very bad for the Deep Staters. Here is former NSA Director James Clapper ADMITTING that the FBI had plants in Trump's campaign while also ADMITTING to the ineffectiveness of those plants. This ain't good Kirkland and you know it. It ain't good because where are the FBI plants in HILLARY'S campaign? If there are none there, then I'm sorry that's Barack Obama's big fat thumb on the scale in favor of Hillary's campaign and yes THAT needs to be investigated and it shouldn't be allowed to stand.

Mueller was appointed to investigate the Trump/Russia collusion thing and anything arising from that investigation. The Trump obstruction investigation arose from the Trump/Russia investigation. Trump's legal team have recently leaked the questions Mueller wants to ask Trump under oath and half of them are about obstruction of justice, his firing of Comey and so on. Trump fired Comey and admitted two days later in a live TV interview he'd fired him because the Russia investigation was becoming a problem for him. He also told various other people, foreign diplomats etc the exact same thing on the official White House record.

Comey did not leak classified information and did not lie about it. One thing he leaked has since been retroactively classified by the FBI, it was not classified when he leaked it. Trump's official reason for firing Comey, believe it or not, is that he was too hard on investigating Hillary during the election. Trump has obviously contradicted his official reason dozens of times since. There were no FBI plants or spies in Trump's campaign. One FBI informant, a Republican who worked on half a dozwen presidential campaigns from Reagan onwards, tried to find out covertly how much Russian infiltration of Trump's campaign there had been. The FBI used the least intrusive, most conservative method of doing this. If they'd actually been intent on destroying Trump's campaign they could just have publicly arrested the four individuals they had evidence on.

There was no attempt at entrapment. It wasn't Hillary or Obama who employed the four Russian agents. Trump initially denied any contacts or meetings with Russians or any other foreign agents during the campaign. There have now been over 30 documented meetings as well as his son in law trying to set up a secure communication channel based in the Russian embassy so that the Trump people could talk to the Russians during the campaign without the US intel services listening in. As well as Russia Trump has clandestine meetings with agents from these countries: Israel UAE Saudi Arabia Qatar Turkey but is outraged that the FBI, who are charged with upholding the legitimacy of the democratic process, would try to ascertain during the election campaign (without alerting the media) just how deeply the Russian involvement was with the Trump campaign.

The fact that half his campaign have been indicted and are now cooperating with Mueller against Trump and all the other evidence made public is ignored, instead Trump is asking us to question why he was being investigated at all.

[walrus]

He fired the head of the FBI, that's it, and now he's being investigated for obstruction of justice for doing it. The reaction to the firing was the DOJ appointed a special counsel to investigate any collusion with Russia or other foreign countries and also subsequent incidents like Trump firing the FBI head. If Trump did try and fire another FBI head or a bunch of people at the FBI you'd see some kind of fightback from the FBI/DOJ. It would be outright banana republic stuff if he did try and do it. He's currently going properly round the bend over the existing investigation. The fact his campaign was full of Russian spies/agents doesn't seem to made a dent in him, the real crime according to Trump is that the FBI launched a covert probe to see just how bad the Russian infiltration of his campaign was. That's some chutzpah. He's delusional. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018...ive-takes-hold

The Russian Collusion was being investigated anyway. Jeff Sessions appointed Rod Rosenstein as Jeff Sessions had recused himself. Rod Rosenstein then appointed Robert Mueller to run the investigation....ON RUSSIAN COLLUSION. There's 0 Kirkland, 0 about Trump firing Comey in this special council. The President reserves the right to fire the FBI Director, it's part of his Executive powers he wouldn't really even need a reason. However James Comey LEAKED classified information ADMITTED to doing so and was fired. James Comey also handled Hillary's secret server and lax dealings with classified information very poorly. Trump just appointed Christopher Wray as head of the FBI, why would he fire him? Alright, so let's assume Donald Trump's campaign WAS indeed full of Russian spies/agents.....there were FBI plants in his campaign, why did those fellows do nothing about these Russian spies/agents? The FBI attempted to entrap President Trump and they got caught with their hand in the cookie jar and things are going to wind up being very bad for the Deep Staters. Here is former NSA Director James Clapper ADMITTING that the FBI had plants in Trump's campaign while also ADMITTING to the ineffectiveness of those plants. This ain't good Kirkland and you know it. It ain't good because where are the FBI plants in HILLARY'S campaign? If there are none there, then I'm sorry that's Barack Obama's big fat thumb on the scale in favor of Hillary's campaign and yes THAT needs to be investigated and it shouldn't be allowed to stand.

Mueller was appointed to investigate the Trump/Russia collusion thing and anything arising from that investigation. The Trump obstruction investigation arose from the Trump/Russia investigation. Trump's legal team have recently leaked the questions Mueller wants to ask Trump under oath and half of them are about obstruction of justice, his firing of Comey and so on. Trump fired Comey and admitted two days later in a live TV interview he'd fired him because the Russia investigation was becoming a problem for him. He also told various other people, foreign diplomats etc the exact same thing on the official White House record.

Comey did not leak classified information and did not lie about it. One thing he leaked has since been retroactively classified by the FBI, it was not classified when he leaked it. Trump's official reason for firing Comey, believe it or not, is that he was too hard on investigating Hillary during the election. Trump has obviously contradicted his official reason dozens of times since. There were no FBI plants or spies in Trump's campaign. One FBI informant, a Republican who worked on half a dozwen presidential campaigns from Reagan onwards, tried to find out covertly how much Russian infiltration of Trump's campaign there had been. The FBI used the least intrusive, most conservative method of doing this. If they'd actually been intent on destroying Trump's campaign they could just have publicly arrested the four individuals they had evidence on.

There was no attempt at entrapment. It wasn't Hillary or Obama who employed the four Russian agents. Trump initially denied any contacts or meetings with Russians or any other foreign agents during the campaign. There have now been over 30 documented meetings as well as his son in law trying to set up a secure communication channel based in the Russian embassy so that the Trump people could talk to the Russians during the campaign without the US intel services listening in. As well as Russia Trump has clandestine meetings with agents from these countries: Israel UAE Saudi Arabia Qatar Turkey but is outraged that the FBI, who are charged with upholding the legitimacy of the democratic process, would try to ascertain during the election campaign (without alerting the media) just how deeply the Russian involvement was with the Trump campaign.

The fact that half his campaign have been indicted and are now cooperating with Mueller against Trump and all the other evidence made public is ignored, instead Trump is asking us to question why he was being investigated at all.

Dude u r so wrong on so many points I can’t even be bothered with u

[El Kabong]

Mueller was appointed to investigate the Trump/Russia collusion thing and anything arising from that investigation. The Trump obstruction investigation arose from the Trump/Russia investigation. Trump's legal team have recently leaked the questions Mueller wants to ask Trump under oath and half of them are about obstruction of justice, his firing of Comey and so on. Trump fired Comey and admitted two days later in a live TV interview he'd fired him because the Russia investigation was becoming a problem for him. He also told various other people, foreign diplomats etc the exact same thing on the official White House record.

Comey did not leak classified information and did not lie about it. One thing he leaked has since been retroactively classified by the FBI, it was not classified when he leaked it. Trump's official reason for firing Comey, believe it or not, is that he was too hard on investigating Hillary during the election. Trump has obviously contradicted his official reason dozens of times since. There were no FBI plants or spies in Trump's campaign. One FBI informant, a Republican who worked on half a dozwen presidential campaigns from Reagan onwards, tried to find out covertly how much Russian infiltration of Trump's campaign there had been. The FBI used the least intrusive, most conservative method of doing this. If they'd actually been intent on destroying Trump's campaign they could just have publicly arrested the four individuals they had evidence on.

There was no attempt at entrapment. It wasn't Hillary or Obama who employed the four Russian agents. Trump initially denied any contacts or meetings with Russians or any other foreign agents during the campaign. There have now been over 30 documented meetings as well as his son in law trying to set up a secure communication channel based in the Russian embassy so that the Trump people could talk to the Russians during the campaign without the US intel services listening in. As well as Russia Trump has clandestine meetings with agents from these countries: Israel UAE Saudi Arabia Qatar Turkey but is outraged that the FBI, who are charged with upholding the legitimacy of the democratic process, would try to ascertain during the election campaign (without alerting the media) just how deeply the Russian involvement was with the Trump campaign.

The fact that half his campaign have been indicted and are now cooperating with Mueller against Trump and all the other evidence made public is ignored, instead Trump is asking us to question why he was being investigated at all.

What, you can't provide quotes or video of this? I can provide quotes and video of Trump saying he was going to fire Comey for other reasons, also you avoid even touching the FACT that Rod Rosenstein wrote a memo suggesting firing Comey.

From the WSJ 'Of those two memos, Mr. Comey himself redacted elements of one that he knew to be classified to protect secrets before he handed the documents over to his friend. He determined at the time that another memo contained no classified information, but after he left the Federal Bureau of Investigation, bureau officials upgraded it to “confidential,” the lowest level of classification.'...so YES he gave Classified information to his friend. Sure he redacted PARTS, but he knew it was classified and he leaked it anyway.


No attempt at entrapment? That is a laugh. “The professor’s(Halper) interactions with Trump advisers began a few weeks before the opening of the investigation, when Page met the professor at the British symposium,” the Post reported. While it’s not rare for the FBI to gather information before formally opening an investigation, Halper’s earlier snooping does call into question the accuracy of the NYT’s claim that it was the drunken Papadopoulos ramblings that first prompted the FBI’s interest in these possible connections. And it suggests that CIA operatives, apparently working with at least some factions within the FBI, were trying to gather information about the Trump campaign earlier than had been previously reported.

Then there are questions about what appear to be some fairly substantial government payments to Halper throughout 2016. Halper continues to be listed as a “vendor” by websites that track payments by the federal government to private contractors.
https://theintercept.com/2018/05/19/...tial-election/

What Russian agents, name names...who are we talking about here Carter Page? George Papadopolous? Who specifically?

And again, Hillary met with WHO? Hillary was spied on by WHO? If this spying was all for Trump's safety as James Clapper has stated then where was the protection for the "Smartest Woman in the World"?


Donald Trump isn't getting impeached Kirkland, it's simply not happening. There WILL be some heads rolling, but you aren't going to like it.

[El Kabong]

Difficult to play the game when your administration has already been at the very same game in other countries.

[Kirkland Laing]

Mueller was appointed to investigate the Trump/Russia collusion thing and anything arising from that investigation. The Trump obstruction investigation arose from the Trump/Russia investigation. Trump's legal team have recently leaked the questions Mueller wants to ask Trump under oath and half of them are about obstruction of justice, his firing of Comey and so on. Trump fired Comey and admitted two days later in a live TV interview he'd fired him because the Russia investigation was becoming a problem for him. He also told various other people, foreign diplomats etc the exact same thing on the official White House record.

Comey did not leak classified information and did not lie about it. One thing he leaked has since been retroactively classified by the FBI, it was not classified when he leaked it. Trump's official reason for firing Comey, believe it or not, is that he was too hard on investigating Hillary during the election. Trump has obviously contradicted his official reason dozens of times since. There were no FBI plants or spies in Trump's campaign. One FBI informant, a Republican who worked on half a dozwen presidential campaigns from Reagan onwards, tried to find out covertly how much Russian infiltration of Trump's campaign there had been. The FBI used the least intrusive, most conservative method of doing this. If they'd actually been intent on destroying Trump's campaign they could just have publicly arrested the four individuals they had evidence on.

There was no attempt at entrapment. It wasn't Hillary or Obama who employed the four Russian agents. Trump initially denied any contacts or meetings with Russians or any other foreign agents during the campaign. There have now been over 30 documented meetings as well as his son in law trying to set up a secure communication channel based in the Russian embassy so that the Trump people could talk to the Russians during the campaign without the US intel services listening in. As well as Russia Trump has clandestine meetings with agents from these countries: Israel UAE Saudi Arabia Qatar Turkey but is outraged that the FBI, who are charged with upholding the legitimacy of the democratic process, would try to ascertain during the election campaign (without alerting the media) just how deeply the Russian involvement was with the Trump campaign.

The fact that half his campaign have been indicted and are now cooperating with Mueller against Trump and all the other evidence made public is ignored, instead Trump is asking us to question why he was being investigated at all.

What, you can't provide quotes or video of this? I can provide quotes and video of Trump saying he was going to fire Comey for other reasons, also you avoid even touching the FACT that Rod Rosenstein wrote a memo suggesting firing Comey.

From the WSJ 'Of those two memos, Mr. Comey himself redacted elements of one that he knew to be classified to protect secrets before he handed the documents over to his friend. He determined at the time that another memo contained no classified information, but after he left the Federal Bureau of Investigation, bureau officials upgraded it to “confidential,” the lowest level of classification.'...so YES he gave Classified information to his friend. Sure he redacted PARTS, but he knew it was classified and he leaked it anyway.


No attempt at entrapment? That is a laugh. “The professor’s(Halper) interactions with Trump advisers began a few weeks before the opening of the investigation, when Page met the professor at the British symposium,” the Post reported. While it’s not rare for the FBI to gather information before formally opening an investigation, Halper’s earlier snooping does call into question the accuracy of the NYT’s claim that it was the drunken Papadopoulos ramblings that first prompted the FBI’s interest in these possible connections. And it suggests that CIA operatives, apparently working with at least some factions within the FBI, were trying to gather information about the Trump campaign earlier than had been previously reported.

Then there are questions about what appear to be some fairly substantial government payments to Halper throughout 2016. Halper continues to be listed as a “vendor” by websites that track payments by the federal government to private contractors.
https://theintercept.com/2018/05/19/...tial-election/

What Russian agents, name names...who are we talking about here Carter Page? George Papadopolous? Who specifically?

And again, Hillary met with WHO? Hillary was spied on by WHO? If this spying was all for Trump's safety as James Clapper has stated then where was the protection for the "Smartest Woman in the World"?


Donald Trump isn't getting impeached Kirkland, it's simply not happening. There WILL be some heads rolling, but you aren't going to like it.

Trump sadi a couple of days after he fired Comey that he fired him over the Russia thing. Interview with NBC news. Look it up.


So Comey redacted the classified information from the document he leaked. So he didn't leak classified information. And he won't be charged with leaking classified information because he didn't leak any.

Look up the legal definition of entrapment Lyle and explain how the FBI using a covert informant to check Russian infiltration of a presidential campaign qualifies under the legal definition.

Page, Papadopolous, Manafort and the guy with the silly beard all had Russian connections that had raised flags with the FBI. Page had been interviewed in 2014 and told he was under observation due to having met with various Russian intel people. Clovis is the beardy guy. All had various meetings with Russians, all lied about them. Flynn too.

Woulf you like to bet that some people on the Hillary/Obama side end up facing charges Lyle? You've been claiming imminent charges for Hillary, Obama and assorted people for years now but they never happen. Maybe it's because all the criminality is on the other side?

And the reason I popped back. Enjoy:

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/999669356316516352

[El Kabong]

Trump sadi a couple of days after he fired Comey that he fired him over the Russia thing. Interview with NBC news. Look it up.


So Comey redacted the classified information from the document he leaked. So he didn't leak classified information. And he won't be charged with leaking classified information because he didn't leak any.

Look up the legal definition of entrapment Lyle and explain how the FBI using a covert informant to check Russian infiltration of a presidential campaign qualifies under the legal definition.

Page, Papadopolous, Manafort and the guy with the silly beard all had Russian connections that had raised flags with the FBI. Page had been interviewed in 2014 and told he was under observation due to having met with various Russian intel people. Clovis is the beardy guy. All had various meetings with Russians, all lied about them. Flynn too.

Woulf you like to bet that some people on the Hillary/Obama side end up facing charges Lyle? You've been claiming imminent charges for Hillary, Obama and assorted people for years now but they never happen. Maybe it's because all the criminality is on the other side?

And the reason I popped back. Enjoy:

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/999669356316516352

Not my job to look up what YOU said is the case. YOU provide evidence for your case. You look it up ya cunt.


Comey redacted SOME of the classified document, SOME.....and then he leaked it. If he's charged for something in the future we will see.

Well when a political party (The Democrats) is paying operatives in the other party's campaign and creating false dossiers and having spies promise xyz to patsies who get drunk with the spies and all that leads to fixing up a case for the FISC/FISA court so they can spy even more on the other party's campaign...yeah that's entrapment...it's crooked as fuck but it's also entrapment.

Maybe charges will be brought, we'll have to see. You seem quite certain about impeachment I don't see that happening.


"Goat rodeo"....yeah Donald Trump only got North Korea to release American prisoners AND fuck up their own nuke sight before backing out of a meeting.....oh whatever will we do now? Kim Jong Un will fire his.....ummmm.....death ray stare in our general direction

[brocktonblockbust]

Kirkland Laing would easily get battered down to the canvas if I sparred with him physically and as far as mentally goes he is disqualified during the staredown and doesn't even make it to the opening bell against me. Kirkland Laing, an absolute piece of human garbage

[Gandalf]

There will be physical assassinations before this is all over. Or look for suspicious plane crashes

Don't you worry. Madonna has gone missing since she started all that.

[brocktonblockbust]

There will be physical assassinations before this is all over. Or look for suspicious plane crashes

Don't you worry. Madonna has gone missing since she started all that.

No I'm talking about deep State assassinating key players

[Kirkland Laing]

Trump sadi a couple of days after he fired Comey that he fired him over the Russia thing. Interview with NBC news. Look it up.


So Comey redacted the classified information from the document he leaked. So he didn't leak classified information. And he won't be charged with leaking classified information because he didn't leak any.

Look up the legal definition of entrapment Lyle and explain how the FBI using a covert informant to check Russian infiltration of a presidential campaign qualifies under the legal definition.

Page, Papadopolous, Manafort and the guy with the silly beard all had Russian connections that had raised flags with the FBI. Page had been interviewed in 2014 and told he was under observation due to having met with various Russian intel people. Clovis is the beardy guy. All had various meetings with Russians, all lied about them. Flynn too.

Woulf you like to bet that some people on the Hillary/Obama side end up facing charges Lyle? You've been claiming imminent charges for Hillary, Obama and assorted people for years now but they never happen. Maybe it's because all the criminality is on the other side?

And the reason I popped back. Enjoy:

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/999669356316516352

Not my job to look up what YOU said is the case. YOU provide evidence for your case. You look it up ya cunt.


Comey redacted SOME of the classified document, SOME.....and then he leaked it. If he's charged for something in the future we will see.

Well when a political party (The Democrats) is paying operatives in the other party's campaign and creating false dossiers and having spies promise xyz to patsies who get drunk with the spies and all that leads to fixing up a case for the FISC/FISA court so they can spy even more on the other party's campaign...yeah that's entrapment...it's crooked as fuck but it's also entrapment.

Maybe charges will be brought, we'll have to see. You seem quite certain about impeachment I don't see that happening.


"Goat rodeo"....yeah Donald Trump only got North Korea to release American prisoners AND fuck up their own nuke sight before backing out of a meeting.....oh whatever will we do now? Kim Jong Un will fire his.....ummmm.....death ray stare in our general direction

Here's Trump saying why he fired Comey:

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/12/p...ing/index.html

And it's also recorded in the official White House record during meetings with vqrious diplomats.

Comey redacted all classified information Lyle which is why he won't be charged with anything. The claim that he will is just more of the endless shit the Trump people are throwing against the wall in the hope that some of it sticks.

The Democrats haven't paid anybody in the other party's campaign, haven't created false dossiers, or have spies promise anything to anybody, haven't fixed any FISA cases, haven't spied on the other campaign. Neither has the FBI or DOJ or anybody else. Again this is just more bullshit that you've been fed that has no basis in reality. What you're claiming is that the entire American intelligence services, diplomatic corps, system of justice and law enforcement community are conspiring together to take Trump down. Rather than the obvious conventional explanation which is that Trump and his people are the ones with something to hide. You can't provide a single legitimate news source to back any of this up other than sensational crap for conservative media, and it'll prove as true as the bullshit you posted for years about Obama and Hillary.

Or maybe you're right. After all, With the exception of the president’s campaign manager, deputy campaign manager replacement campaign manager, longtime political advisor, son, son-in-law, national security advisor, attorney general and personal lawyer/fixer nobody except a few fringe figures had any undisclosed contacts with Russian government figures. When the news of Russian collosuion first broke after the election the Trump people denied any contact with the Russians whatsoever. Since then we're now at over 30 documented meetings between various Trump people and the Russians. Ans while Trump was denying that any meetings happened we now know that meetings were ongoing during the denials and that millions of dollars were being paid by various Russians to Trump's personal lawyer.

The fact you believe all this nonsense is due to you watching or reading nothing but conservative media. It means that you're doomed to go through life being permanently ignorant and wrong about everything. Look how well all the sensational bullhit about Benghazi, various other Obama/Clinton "scandals", Obama wiretapping Trump and so on worked out. What's the headlines on Fox News tonight Lyle. Hillary's emails? It's a fifty fity guess, isn't it. If not tonight then tomorrow night.

In the real world things move on apace.


Look Lyle, the Spanish justice system are part of the conspiracy too!


The FBI has obtained secret wiretaps collected by Spanish police of conversations involving Alexander Torshin, a deputy governor of Russia’s Central Bank who has forged close ties with U.S. lawmakers and the National Rifle Association, that led to a meeting with Donald Trump Jr. during the gun lobby’s annual convention in Louisville, Ky., in May 2016, a top Spanish prosecutor said Friday.
José Grinda, who has spearheaded investigations into Spanish organized crime, said that bureau officials in recent months requested and were provided transcripts of wiretapped conversations between Torshin and Alexander Romanov, a convicted Russian money launderer. On the wiretaps, Romanov refers to Torshin as “El Padrino,” the godfather.
“Just a few months ago, the wiretaps of these telephone conversations were given to the FBI,” Grinda said in response to a question from Yahoo News during a talk he gave at the Hudson Institute, a conservative think tank in Washington. Asked if he was concerned about Torshin’s meetings with Donald Trump Jr. and other American political figures, Grinda replied: “Mr. Trump’s son should be concerned.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-so...231215529.html



Let's have a bet Lyle. It'll involve you having to deposit funds in an account so that you can't weasel out of it when you inevitably lose. But since you're so certain that this time you're being told the truth by the people you get your news from how about you put your money where your mouth is?

[Kirkland Laing]

Kirkland Laing would easily get battered down to the canvas if I sparred with him physically and as far as mentally goes he is disqualified during the staredown and doesn't even make it to the opening bell against me. Kirkland Laing, an absolute piece of human garbage

I pity the fool.