Thread: Juan Diaz P4P huh?Dear me....

" Juan Diaz.... Wins over Freitas and Julio Diaz don't make you P4P. Cotto had to beat Judah,Mosley,and 3 unbeaten future world champs(Torres,Paulie and QUintana) to get into P4P lists. Diaz is nowhere near that."

Posted this yesterday in the P4P thread. Some of us were rather premature in making Diaz a P4P. Listen to El Gamo next time. I asked why and no-one gave a response. I feel fully indicated now.

He is off my list now. I guess he's been doing a lot more school work than boxing practice.

There was one moment in that fight that reminded me of Victor Borgus against Darch. JD was taking too much head punishment in mid and late rounds.

I agree 100%. I never liked Juan Diaz. I can't believe people had him on there p4p list

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

I agree 100%. I never liked Juan Diaz. I can't believe people had him on there p4p list

Dam right my man. Listen,Diaz is exciting,has huge potential but for people to say he was P4P after 2 decent wins was absurd in the least. Reminds me of when people had Vic Darchinyan on their P4P lists and when asked for a reasonh he's unbeaten and exciting.

I think the promotional disputes,constantly pulling out of fights and studying all got to Diaz. He can still be successful but he needs to set his priorities straight,you can't be a world class boxer and a top student both at the same time.Good fighter?Yes. P4p?absolutely not.

Well hind sight is 20/20 and I'm sure alot of people will get on this thread and say I knew it or I told you so but I stand by my decision of puting him on the list. I think I had him 10th IIRC.

He didn't only have 2 good fights it's just that he was not well known before that. He had I think like 7 or 8 title defenses and three World Titles. He had more reason to be there than guys like Pavlik for example which was on many people's list. Yes Pavlik has had good wins but he has yet to defend his title once. Give the man some time.

Baby Bull don't have the power to catch many people's attention but he is still a good fighter.

To be honest I am shocked that he lost. Have not seen the fight yet but from what I read, it seems that the cut on his eye might've affected him. Am I right on this?

Hind sight is used by many but I think I used it appropriately here. Diaz was on lists when Calderon wasn't?That was a common occurence.I've known of Diaz,nothing to do with that,facts are facts:his 2 biggest wins are Julio Diaz and Freitas. That's not P4P top 10.He was top 15-20,no way top 10.

And with regards to Kelly,KTFO Panter and Zertuche were equal to Freitas and Julio Diaz wins,2 wins over JT elevated him beyond that.

Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

He is off my list now. I guess he's been doing a lot more school work than boxing practice.

There was one moment in that fight that reminded me of Victor Borgus against Darch. JD was taking too much head punishment in mid and late rounds.

Also looks like he packs big lunches ..........

I wasn't shocked by this. I said that Juan Diaz would get exposed soon and that Nate had a chance to do it. I was suprised by the SD. It should have been UD. We have seen lots of stupid judges this weekend. At the least the Campbell still got the W.

Originally Posted by El Gamo

" Juan Diaz.... Wins over Freitas and Julio Diaz don't make you P4P. Cotto had to beat Judah,Mosley,and 3 unbeaten future world champs(Torres,Paulie and QUintana) to get into P4P lists. Diaz is nowhere near that."

Posted this yesterday in the P4P thread. Some of us were rather premature in making Diaz a P4P. Listen to El Gamo next time. I asked why and no-one gave a response. I feel fully indicated now.

I had Juan Diaz in my P4P list and i don't see there was anything wrong with it, Acelino Freitas, Julio Diaz, were very good wins and IMO Diaz rightfully deserved to be in the top 10 P4P. Obviously he is out of my P4P list now but im not writing him off i think he will beat Campbell in a rematch and get back to dominating Lightweight division, not to make excuses but i think the head butt early on that caused the cut was a big disadvantage for Diaz, he had never dealt with anything like that before but he passed with flying colors and was able to last the distance. I think it was a good learning experience for Diaz and he will comeback stronger than ever from this loss you mark my words.

Ice, it wasn't a headbutt that caused the cut, it was a punch

Juan Diaz i want to say that he is a real good boxer but need more to be in that clasification.........

Originally Posted by ICB

I had Juan Diaz in my P4P list and i don't see there was anything wrong with it, Acelino Freitas, Julio Diaz, were very good wins and IMO Diaz rightfully deserved to be in the top 10 P4P. Obviously he is out of my P4P list now but im not writing him off i think he will beat Campbell in a rematch and get back to dominating Lightweight division, not to make excuses but i think the head butt early on that caused the cut was a big disadvantage for Diaz, he had never dealt with anything like that before but he passed with flying colors and was able to last the distance. I think it was a good learning experience for Diaz and he will comeback stronger than ever from this loss you mark my words.

Cristian Mijares has some good wins.Carlos Quintana has some good wins.They aren't P4P.Like I said before,no-one really put forward a solid case for Juan Diaz to be P4P,it was simply a case of,he's unbeaten,has 2-3 decent wins,why not put him in there.

And I agree,I think he'll come back but it goes to show putting him in the P4P lists was rather premature. Nate would have beaten him,cut or no cut.Julio couldnt out will and break down Campbell, and that's a HUGE part of his game.And I really don't understand the "he passed with flying colours " part:he lost.He did well to survive.

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Cristian Mijares has some good wins.Carlos Quintana has some good wins.They aren't P4P.Like I said before,no-one really put forward a solid case for Juan Diaz to be P4P,it was simply a case of,he's unbeaten,has 2-3 decent wins,why not put him in there.

And I agree,I think he'll come back but it goes to show putting him in the P4P lists was rather premature. Nate would have beaten him,cut or no cut.Julio couldnt out will and break down Campbell, and that's a HUGE part of his game.And I really don't understand the "he passed with flying colours " part:he lost.He did well to survive.

I'll admit i went on Juan Diaz bandwagon i was very impressed with his two wins over Freitas, Julio Diaz. Maybe i did put him up there a bit premature but im not going to lie and say i didn't think he deserved to be there just because he lost. And my opinion of him hasn't changed at all, and what i meant by passed with flying colors, is that Diaz dealt with that adversity of being badly cut and his eye being virtually closed. But yet he kept coming forward and never gave up, Campbell was just superb rolling with Diaz's punches and throwing almost 1200 + punches. I think it was more to do with how great Campbell fought rather than Diaz *being exposed*. I think Diaz's biggest weakness is that he has no power and that cost him tonight. But like i said he will be back stronger than ever and IMO he will beat Campbell in a rematch.

Originally Posted by ICB

I had Juan Diaz in my P4P list and i don't see there was anything wrong with it, Acelino Freitas, Julio Diaz, were very good wins and IMO Diaz rightfully deserved to be in the top 10 P4P. Obviously he is out of my P4P list now but im not writing him off i think he will beat Campbell in a rematch and get back to dominating Lightweight division, not to make excuses but i think the head butt early on that caused the cut was a big disadvantage for Diaz, he had never dealt with anything like that before but he passed with flying colors and was able to last the distance. I think it was a good learning experience for Diaz and he will comeback stronger than ever from this loss you mark my words.

I'm not so sure about that, Ice. You are usually on point, but you are way off on this one. El Gamo hit it on the head exactly. He beat an old Popo and Julio Diaz isn't that good. He wasn't anywhere near p4p, and honestly, he never will be.

I'll add this, JD is not going to develop power if he hasn't already. Ice, you box, so you should know this. If you don't have much defense and you are going to rely on workrate, you better have something on your punches if you are going to beat TOP opposition. People compare Diaz to Hatton, but Hatton has MUCH better one-punch power. Like Hatton, he's steady and relentless. JD isn't explosive. Even when he landed cleanly on Campbell it didn't bother him.

I don't think he beats Campbell in a rematch. He got taken to school and unless Nate get old overnight, the result will be the same.

Originally Posted by RozzySean

I'm not so sure about that, Ice. You are usually on point, but you are way off on this one. El Gamo hit it on the head exactly. He beat an old Popo and Julio Diaz isn't that good. He wasn't anywhere near p4p, and honestly, he never will be.

I'll add this, JD is not going to develop power if he hasn't already. Ice, you box, so you should know this. If you don't have much defense and you are going to rely on workrate, you better have something on your punches if you are going to beat TOP opposition. People compare Diaz to Hatton, but Hatton has MUCH better one-punch power. Like Hatton, he's steady and relentless. JD isn't explosive. Even when he landed cleanly on Campbell it didn't bother him.

I don't think he beats Campbell in a rematch. He got taken to school and unless Nate get old overnight, the result will be the same.

Oh I totally Sean i'll admit i did jump on Juan Diaz bandwagon and looking back with hindsight i probably did put him too high. But like i said to El Gamo im not going to lie and say i didn't put him up there when i did.

I never said he would develop power bro in fact i don't have a lot of power either, but i have speed so i rely on timing and speed plus im also taller than most of the guys in my gym so i also use leverage. Diaz actually reminds me of Jesus Chavez they both are similar in height they both have swarming style and they both rely on workrate, plus they both aren't big punchers. The thing i noticed about Diaz is that he doesn't get his body into a shot he mostly throws arm punches and just relies on beating his opponent down with barrage of punishment. I don't think Diaz has been exposed like i said there has always been the big weakness with Diaz that he doesn't have power and being Diaz fan i was always worried about that. Can Campbell repeat a performance like that again though Sean ?? remember the old saying that every fighter always has one good fight left in him, and Campbell certainly proved that point by fighting a tremondous fight. But with his age can he repeat another performance like that ?? i sure hope so because Campbell is excellent to watch.