Thread: I want Valero next for PacMan!

This is remind me of Zelenoff without the cursing.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VpWm9wcen4E

5 oppenents with ZERO wins
4 other oppenents with 3 or less win
5 other oppenent with less 8 or less win
1 oppennet with an undefeated record was a 7-0-1 fighter.
ZERO 30 or plus win oppenent.

Manny Pacman Pacquiao is a GIGANTIC STEP UP! Valero is in for a rude awakening. I want this fight to happen this November, I want to see the look in Valero's face when he finds out how it is to be in with a Real Elite Fighter.

IMO Valero's power is way overrated, all of his oppenent would be easy k.o wins for pac. Im sure Valero could never knock out or drop some of pacs oppenent who pac has ko'ed or dropped.

I don't think anybody can really compare valero's power to pac, IMO PACS POWER IS FORREAL. Valero is just hyped.

I really hope they make this fight happen this NOVEMBER. I want pac to ktfo Valero.

Whats you guys prediction and explain?

gotta disagree, I don't think Valero's power is overrated at all, skill wise He's not as good as Pac but he does have the punch that could take him out. wouldn't be surprised to see an upset in this one

Originally Posted by Phil

gotta disagree, I don't think Valero's power is overrated at all, skill wise He's not as good as Pac but he does have the punch that could take him out. wouldn't be surprised to see an upset in this one

Nope I don't see valero hurting pac at all. Pac took the best of JMM and IMO JMMs power is way stronger than Valero. People don't understand JMM's knock out win ratio is nearly dead tied with pacs. People lable jMm as a great counterer but forget the guys power punch is up there with the best.

ONly thing going for valero is his power, which is overhyped. I hope this happens this november so valero's hype can end and the rest of you can come to your senses

haha I can't believe Charlie has blazed a trail the actual pro stars are choosing to follow

Originally Posted by Bilbo

haha I can't believe Charlie has blazed a trail the actual pro stars are choosing to follow

Valero has been doing this for a while, his real despret. shouldn't he be training instead of making vids

I would take into consideration level of competition but even more so the quality of rounds Valero has had.He can crack but I think Pac would dissect him as the rounds build.His defense is .....sparse & he looks wide and badly over reaches at times.

I had read that Texas has Granted him a clearance to fight there??

Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

I would take into consideration level of competition but even more so the quality of rounds Valero has had.He can crack but I think Pac would dissect him as the rounds build.His defense is .....sparse & he looks wide and badly over reaches at times.

I had read that Texas has Granted him a clearance to fight there??

Yea same thing I hear, he can fight in Texas.

I think come fight night valero's punching will have little to no affect on pac, pac has taken everything from the best punchers in the world and hasn't been drop since he was a bantamweight. Pac is now a lightweight, not only is pac power foreal his chin is solid. the ko he suffered early in his career were from the lowest weight classes. Being drain makes fighter weaker but being in the division they suit more makes them stronger. Pac and Cotto is two great recent examples of rock hard body and chin going up in weight.

I think VAlero is soft, most fighters that get overhype due to there power usually fold under real pressure. I think pac is going to scrape valero up for a few rounds then knock him out.

Originally Posted by Julius Rain

Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

I would take into consideration level of competition but even more so the quality of rounds Valero has had.He can crack but I think Pac would dissect him as the rounds build.His defense is .....sparse & he looks wide and badly over reaches at times.

I had read that Texas has Granted him a clearance to fight there??

Yea same thing I hear, he can fight in Texas.

I think come fight night valero's punching will have little to no affect on pac, pac has taken everything from the best punchers in the world and hasn't been drop since he was a bantamweight. Pac is now a lightweight, not only is pac power foreal his chin is solid. the ko he suffered early in his career were from the lowest weight classes. Being drain makes fighter weaker but being in the division they suit more makes them stronger. Pac and Cotto is two great recent examples of rock hard body and chin going up in weight.

I think VAlero is soft, most fighters that get overhype due to there power usually fold under real pressure. I think pac is going to scrape valero up for a few rounds then knock him out.

I hear ya but Don't get me wrong,I don't think Pac should go in and make it a who has the hardest chin contest.He should fight smart,look to box and let Valero come forward in spotsl.I think Pac can exploit Valeros leaky defense bigtime early on & when the timing is right but Pac also needs to respect the pure power of an hungry undefeated Champion.

Julius my friend, regardless of how crappy Valero's opponents are except Mosquera his punching power is undeniable.
Pac also fought BUMS early in his career but he wasnt able to take them out in 1 round, 18 first round consecutive kayos and 100% kayo ratio is Guiness book of world records type stuff.
I agree PAC should box smartly here ala PAC-DIAZ (even more cautiously).

Barry McGuigan says Valero is one of the best p4p fighters in the world

Experts eh?

Originally Posted by Pavlik

Julius my friend, regardless of how crappy Valero's opponents are except Mosquera his punching power is undeniable.
Pac also fought BUMS early in his career but he wasnt able to take them out in 1 round, 18 first round consecutive kayos and 100% kayo ratio is Guiness book of world records type stuff.
I agree PAC should box smartly here ala PAC-DIAZ (even more cautiously).

Pac and Valero's resume can not be compared, valero is already 27 and his still fighting BUM's pac by 24 already brutally defeated marco. Pac always had the better oppenents since day one of pacs career. They never put anybody in with valero that had a pulse til he couldn't beat the 19 straight 1st round record. They hyped valero up like that but only after he couldn't get the record did they test valero just a little with mosquera. Thats actually valero's only good win and his already going up near 30 years of age. Talk about pampered record man.

Originally Posted by Julius Rain

Originally Posted by Pavlik

Julius my friend, regardless of how crappy Valero's opponents are except Mosquera his punching power is undeniable.
Pac also fought BUMS early in his career but he wasnt able to take them out in 1 round, 18 first round consecutive kayos and 100% kayo ratio is Guiness book of world records type stuff.
I agree PAC should box smartly here ala PAC-DIAZ (even more cautiously).

Pac and Valero's resume can not be compared, valero is already 27 and his still fighting BUM's pac by 24 already brutally defeated marco. Pac always had the better oppenents since day one of pacs career. They never put anybody in with valero that had a pulse til he couldn't beat the 19 straight 1st round record. They hyped valero up like that but only after he couldn't get the record did they test valero just a little with mosquera. Thats actually valero's only good win and his already going up near 30 years of age. Talk about pampered record man.

Plus Pacquiao started pro boxing at 17 didn't he ??

If my sole interest in the sport was to see Pacquiao win fights, I'd want him to fight Valero next to. I think it's a complete mismatch. Valero is to easy to hit, has some questions around his own chin, way to slow to catch Manny with anything he shouldn't see. I do understand if the fight is made though, pretty much everyone else is tied up right now, wouldn't be a bad fight if it was made soon-ish. I think Guzman is the man to beat Pacquiao at LW. Maybe Juan Diaz or Campbell could give him a run as well, I kind of doubt it though. We'll see how Guzman does against NAte.

Originally Posted by ICB

Originally Posted by Julius Rain

Originally Posted by Pavlik

Julius my friend, regardless of how crappy Valero's opponents are except Mosquera his punching power is undeniable.
Pac also fought BUMS early in his career but he wasnt able to take them out in 1 round, 18 first round consecutive kayos and 100% kayo ratio is Guiness book of world records type stuff.
I agree PAC should box smartly here ala PAC-DIAZ (even more cautiously).

Pac and Valero's resume can not be compared, valero is already 27 and his still fighting BUM's pac by 24 already brutally defeated marco. Pac always had the better oppenents since day one of pacs career. They never put anybody in with valero that had a pulse til he couldn't beat the 19 straight 1st round record. They hyped valero up like that but only after he couldn't get the record did they test valero just a little with mosquera. Thats actually valero's only good win and his already going up near 30 years of age. Talk about pampered record man.

Plus Pacquiao started pro boxing at 17 didn't he ??

im not sure but maybe as young as marco when he started pro at age 15.

Originally Posted by p4pking

If my sole interest in the sport was to see Pacquiao win fights, I'd want him to fight Valero next to. I think it's a complete mismatch. Valero is to easy to hit, has some questions around his own chin, way to slow to catch Manny with anything he shouldn't see. I do understand if the fight is made though, pretty much everyone else is tied up right now, wouldn't be a bad fight if it was made soon-ish. I think Guzman is the man to beat Pacquiao at LW. Maybe Juan Diaz or Campbell could give him a run as well, I kind of doubt it though. We'll see how Guzman does against NAte.

I agree but i do think it is a reasonable fight until the big boys at Lightweight get finished with there fights, and until Hatton takes care of Paulie. But i haven't ever really been impressed with Valero's power a majority of the time his KO's have come from a barrage of punches by coming out and swarming the opponent. As i've said before i think Valero is the new Daniel Ponce De Leon although not as strong as De Leon but pretty much the same IMO as in there both very limited. I think Valero gets crushed by Pacquiao unless he lands a very lucky punch, his defense is too leaky, he hasn't got good punching technique IMO he just swings for the fences, and he is far too slow and no one can stand toe to toe with Pacquiao at the moment and survive. And as for Joan Guzman i think he is very skilled and would give Pacquiao fits stylistically i think he is the worst fighter for Pacquiao to fight except Juan Manuel Marquez IMO.