Thread: Why would Roach allow Pacquaio to fight this fight?

Roach trained Oscar for the biggest fight in boxing history, he had Oscar in there training with Shane Mosley, and a number of other talented sparring partners. I am sure he learnt a lot about how Oscar fights, and he definitely respected Oscar's abilities. My question is this, why would Roach allow Pacquaio to fight Oscar if he thought Manny would be obliterated. Neither Manny nor Roach need the money, Roach is not a stupid coach, and Pacquaio isn't a stupid fighter. Obviously both of them see something we all don't. Personally I can't really see Manny winning this, but knowing that both these two think so, something must be up. I didn't think Hopkins stood a chance against Tarver. I wasn't sure if Mayweather would be able to fight Oscar at 154 when he was fighting at 140, and still being way smaller than his 140 pound opponents(however once Mayweather fought at WW I was sure he would win). I wasn't sure how James Toney would do as a cruiserweight or heavyweight.

Could this be Liston-Patterson? Definitely, is it likely? In my eyes yes, but once again not in the eyes of the guy who has spent more time then any of us with both fighter, that is Freddy Roach.

Originally Posted by Taeth

Roach trained Oscar for the biggest fight in boxing history, he had Oscar in there training with Shane Mosley, and a number of other talented sparring partners. I am sure he learnt a lot about how Oscar fights, and he definitely respected Oscar's abilities. My question is this, why would Roach allow Pacquaio to fight Oscar if he thought Manny would be obliterated. Neither Manny nor Roach need the money, Roach is not a stupid coach, and Pacquaio isn't a stupid fighter. Obviously both of them see something we all don't. Personally I can't really see Manny winning this, but knowing that both these two think so, something must be up. I didn't think Hopkins stood a chance against Tarver. I wasn't sure if Mayweather would be able to fight Oscar at 154 when he was fighting at 140, and still being way smaller than his 140 pound opponents(however once Mayweather fought at WW I was sure he would win). I wasn't sure how James Toney would do as a cruiserweight or heavyweight.

Could this be Liston-Patterson? Definitely, is it likely? In my eyes yes, but once again not in the eyes of the guy who has spent more time then any of us with both fighter, that is Freddy Roach.

Just for MONEY, Roach and PAC knows they don't stand a chance but a 10-20 million paycheck is definitely good for early retirement for both PAC and Freddie. If they do think they stand a chance then they're deliririous. After this destruction of PAC I don't see him winning any major fights in the future we might consider this his last fight.

Taken from some of my post at ESB:

Boxing People who think PAC can defeat DelaHoya

Manny Pacquiao, no. 1 P4P boxer - "I can beat Dela Hoya"

James Toney, top heavyweight boxer - "Manny has skills, Pacquiao will knockout Dela Hoya with his power"

Larry Merchant, HBO Commentator - "Manny has a puncher's chance"

Samson Lewkowicz, International boxing matchmaker - "Pacquiao and Dela Hoya is a very intriguing fight. Even if he (Pacquiao) is small he has a good chance of winning"

Freddie Roach, well respected boxing trainer - "De La Hoya was slow, can’t pull the trigger and will be knocked out (by Pacquiao)"

Jacko, ESB Forum Member - "If the fight is at 150 then DLH beat's Manny but if it's at 147 i do believe Manny stand's a chance."

Pharaoh, ESB Forum VIP - "I think he (Pacquiao) has a decent shot"

PacDbest, ESB Champion (recently banned tho) - "Pac will Dominate DLH"

Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Taken from some of my post at ESB:

Boxing People who think PAC can defeat DelaHoya

Manny Pacquiao, no. 1 P4P boxer - "I can beat Dela Hoya"

James Toney, top heavyweight boxer - "Manny has skills, Pacquiao will knockout Dela Hoya with his power"

Larry Merchant, HBO Commentator - "Manny has a puncher's chance"

Samson Lewkowicz, International boxing matchmaker - "Pacquiao and Dela Hoya is a very intriguing fight. Even if he (Pacquiao) is small he has a good chance of winning"

Freddie Roach, well respected boxing trainer - "De La Hoya was slow, can’t pull the trigger and will be knocked out (by Pacquiao)"

Jacko, ESB Forum Member - "If the fight is at 150 then DLH beat's Manny but if it's at 147 i do believe Manny stand's a chance."

Pharaoh, ESB Forum VIP - "I think he (Pacquiao) has a decent shot"

PacDbest, ESB Champion (recently banned tho) - "Pac will Dominate DLH"

Who the fukk cares what those dumb muthafukkas think? There opinion don't mean shiit.

This increasing deluge of Esb mentions & scribbles are getting old...fast!

Haha, so Pac, Pac's trainer, a guy in Pac's camp, 2 guys from ESB and a guy named PacDBest all think Pac will win. Thanks for the heads up.

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Taken from some of my post at ESB:

Boxing People who think PAC can defeat DelaHoya

Manny Pacquiao, no. 1 P4P boxer - "I can beat Dela Hoya"

James Toney, top heavyweight boxer - "Manny has skills, Pacquiao will knockout Dela Hoya with his power"

Larry Merchant, HBO Commentator - "Manny has a puncher's chance"

Samson Lewkowicz, International boxing matchmaker - "Pacquiao and Dela Hoya is a very intriguing fight. Even if he (Pacquiao) is small he has a good chance of winning"

Freddie Roach, well respected boxing trainer - "De La Hoya was slow, can’t pull the trigger and will be knocked out (by Pacquiao)"

Jacko, ESB Forum Member - "If the fight is at 150 then DLH beat's Manny but if it's at 147 i do believe Manny stand's a chance."

Pharaoh, ESB Forum VIP - "I think he (Pacquiao) has a decent shot"

PacDbest, ESB Champion (recently banned tho) - "Pac will Dominate DLH"

Who the fukk cares what those dumb muthafukkas think? There opinion don't mean shiit.

Yep, you think your opinion is more relevant than James Toney, Larry Merchant and Samson Lewkowicz...

.

Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

This increasing deluge of Esb mentions & scribbles are getting old...fast!

It just happened that I already posted this at ESB long time ago, July 24, 2008 to be exact... Just copied it from there to save typing...

Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Taken from some of my post at ESB:

Boxing People who think PAC can defeat DelaHoya

Manny Pacquiao, no. 1 P4P boxer - "I can beat Dela Hoya"

James Toney, top heavyweight boxer - "Manny has skills, Pacquiao will knockout Dela Hoya with his power"

Larry Merchant, HBO Commentator - "Manny has a puncher's chance"

Samson Lewkowicz, International boxing matchmaker - "Pacquiao and Dela Hoya is a very intriguing fight. Even if he (Pacquiao) is small he has a good chance of winning"

Freddie Roach, well respected boxing trainer - "De La Hoya was slow, can’t pull the trigger and will be knocked out (by Pacquiao)"

Jacko, ESB Forum Member - "If the fight is at 150 then DLH beat's Manny but if it's at 147 i do believe Manny stand's a chance."

Pharaoh, ESB Forum VIP - "I think he (Pacquiao) has a decent shot"

PacDbest, ESB Champion (recently banned tho) - "Pac will Dominate DLH"

As if Pacquaios gonna say he cant win, yeah I can't beat DLH at all, it pointless

Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Taken from some of my post at ESB:

Boxing People who think PAC can defeat DelaHoya

Manny Pacquiao, no. 1 P4P boxer - "I can beat Dela Hoya"

James Toney, top heavyweight boxer - "Manny has skills, Pacquiao will knockout Dela Hoya with his power"

Larry Merchant, HBO Commentator - "Manny has a puncher's chance"

Samson Lewkowicz, International boxing matchmaker - "Pacquiao and Dela Hoya is a very intriguing fight. Even if he (Pacquiao) is small he has a good chance of winning"

Freddie Roach, well respected boxing trainer - "De La Hoya was slow, can’t pull the trigger and will be knocked out (by Pacquiao)"

Jacko, ESB Forum Member - "If the fight is at 150 then DLH beat's Manny but if it's at 147 i do believe Manny stand's a chance."

Pharaoh, ESB Forum VIP - "I think he (Pacquiao) has a decent shot"

PacDbest, ESB Champion (recently banned tho) - "Pac will Dominate DLH"

Who the fukk cares what those dumb muthafukkas think? There opinion don't mean shiit.

Yep, you think your opinion is more relevant than James Toney, Larry Merchant and Samson Lewkowicz...

.

Where those the names in bold?

Originally Posted by plopeater

Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Taken from some of my post at ESB:

Boxing People who think PAC can defeat DelaHoya

Manny Pacquiao, no. 1 P4P boxer - "I can beat Dela Hoya"

As if Pacquaios gonna say he cant win, yeah I can't beat DLH at all, it pointless

I believed PAC challenging Hoya and pursuing this fight because he believes that he can beat Dela Hoya...

PAC has my support on this...

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Who the fukk cares what those dumb muthafukkas think? There opinion don't mean shiit.

Yep, you think your opinion is more relevant than James Toney, Larry Merchant and Samson Lewkowicz...

.

Where those the names in bold?

So you picked those small time boxing forum posters like you and conveniently omit the opinions of well known boxing personalities? More or less they have the same opinion. They're giving PAC a chance to defeat Hoya...

Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Yep, you think your opinion is more relevant than James Toney, Larry Merchant and Samson Lewkowicz...

.

Where those the names in bold?

So you picked those small time boxing forum posters like you and conveniently omit the opinions of well known boxing personalities? More or less they have the same opinion. They're giving PAC a chance to defeat Hoya...

Why would you quote posters from a garbage site and try to past them off as meaningful? There not.

Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Originally Posted by plopeater

Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Taken from some of my post at ESB:

Boxing People who think PAC can defeat DelaHoya

Manny Pacquiao, no. 1 P4P boxer - "I can beat Dela Hoya"

As if Pacquaios gonna say he cant win, yeah I can't beat DLH at all, it pointless

I believed PAC challenging Hoya and pursuing this fight because he believes that he can beat Dela Hoya...

PAC has my support on this...

Fair enough, but whether Pacquaio and Roach believe it or not they ain't gonna go public and say thay can't win

This proposed match is a farce for the name dollars....and for the fan-boys shopping around they're hyped up wears