Thread: Problem in training

Hello, it seems I am having some sort of footwork problem at the moment. I am 5'6 160lbs so I'm not tall by any means. I don't know whether it's a timing problem or what, but I am having trouble getting to the inside so that I can get to the body. Any tips on how I can time the punches better so that I can evade them and get to the inside? Thanks

Originally Posted by aZn Pugilist

Hello, it seems I am having some sort of footwork problem at the moment. I am 5'6 160lbs so I'm not tall by any means. I don't know whether it's a timing problem or what, but I am having trouble getting to the inside so that I can get to the body. Any tips on how I can time the punches better so that I can evade them and get to the inside? Thanks

I'm a taller fighter, so can only go by what I see. One thing I see a very good sparring partner of mine do who is shorter, is he stands and stays out of range by using angles.

Let's say for eg. we are both ortho, he will stand about 1 full or 1/2 step out of center, to the right, always trying to stay there until he moves in. No matter how they circle and move, he stays there. It confuses the crap out of a lot of people as they are forever trying to adjust. As well he says it creates a lot of openings when they do try to adjust, to try to get him more squared up and hitable.

Moving in, well, he pretty standardly comes forward punching, moving from body to head. But I've seen him tear up some damn good fighters and left them baffled as to why. It was obv to me watching as I know it, but even then, it still works on me at times when we spar.

Originally Posted by Youngblood

Originally Posted by aZn Pugilist

Hello, it seems I am having some sort of footwork problem at the moment. I am 5'6 160lbs so I'm not tall by any means. I don't know whether it's a timing problem or what, but I am having trouble getting to the inside so that I can get to the body. Any tips on how I can time the punches better so that I can evade them and get to the inside? Thanks

I'm a taller fighter, so can only go by what I see. One thing I see a very good sparring partner of mine do who is shorter, is he stands and stays out of range by using angles.

Let's say for eg. we are both ortho, he will stand about 1 full or 1/2 step out of center, to the right, always trying to stay there until he moves in. No matter how they circle and move, he stays there. It confuses the crap out of a lot of people as they are forever trying to adjust. As well he says it creates a lot of openings when they do try to adjust, to try to get him more squared up and hitable.

Moving in, well, he pretty standardly comes forward punching, moving from body to head. But I've seen him tear up some damn good fighters and left them baffled as to why. It was obv to me watching as I know it, but even then, it still works on me at times when we spar.

Thank you for your post! So when you say he stands 1 full or 1/2 step out of center, to the right, where are his feet in relation to the opponents feet? If its 2 ortho fighters, the left leg will be forward. Thanks!

Originally Posted by aZn Pugilist

Thank you for your post! So when you say he stands 1 full or 1/2 step out of center, to the right, where are his feet in relation to the opponents feet? If its 2 ortho fighters, the left leg will be forward. Thanks!

Just do exactly what you'd normally do, don't change your stance, but like I say, 1 or a 1/2 step to the right. Give it a go next time you spar and watch your opponent try to adjust. It'll prob take a bit of practice but it can really set an person off their game.

Originally Posted by Youngblood

Originally Posted by aZn Pugilist

Thank you for your post! So when you say he stands 1 full or 1/2 step out of center, to the right, where are his feet in relation to the opponents feet? If its 2 ortho fighters, the left leg will be forward. Thanks!

Just do exactly what you'd normally do, don't change your stance, but like I say, 1 or a 1/2 step to the right. Give it a go next time you spar and watch your opponent try to adjust. It'll prob take a bit of practice but it can really set an person off their game.

Thanks for the advice Youngblood. I havne't gotten to try it out yet, but I'm guessing it makes the other fighter's right hand more out of range when standing to the right. That might help me stay outta that right hand's way a lot better now.

Originally Posted by aZn Pugilist

Thanks for the advice Youngblood. I havne't gotten to try it out yet, but I'm guessing it makes the other fighter's right hand more out of range when standing to the right. That might help me stay outta that right hand's way a lot better now.

Yea Azn, it helps keep you out of range of the right, but also, it throws the opponent off as they have to try and adjust. As they will turn to find you and it makes them pause, or circle looking for target.

I first watched him do it when we went for a show in Grand Rapids and they switched up his match for the GG MI champ, who had 4 inches in height on him, plus nearly 12 lbs. It was a bit of a dirty switcharoo and they thought it would give their fighter an easy warm up for nationals in 2 weeks. Our guy confused the hell out of him, other dude was swinging at air, and getting countered every time he tried to adjust. Was fun to watch and an easy win for us.

You could touch their lead elbow with your lead glove so you get a reaction and move in and around their reaction.

Thanks for the tip Andre. I came across Vasyl Lomachenko from Ukraine and was wondering if a style similar to his "peek-a-boo" style would possibly benefit me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEtNHEziJ1M

Originally Posted by aZn Pugilist

Thanks for the tip Andre. I came across Vasyl Lomachenko from Ukraine and was wondering if a style similar to his "peek-a-boo" style would possibly benefit me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEtNHEziJ1M

I dont know about fixing onto one style. If you can learn when to use it and when to leave it; I think good, but then leave it there and use other stuff that works when you know it works.

Who was who Blue ukraine ,red russia? Is it the blue dude you mean?

The guy in the blue was peek a booing more than the red guy and it wasnt working out too well for him early on, the other dude was measuring him off the end of his jab and beating him to the draw quite easily in the start of the first round because of it.

Then I saw the red guy at it at times too later, also the guy in red was leaning over to the right and backwards alot to avoid the left hand some people would see that twice and next time shuffle forwards and have him meeting up with a right bomb when he was him comming back up.

I think if you can read your opponent very well or if they are comming straight with straight shots more , if they have come in cold or maybe cant open up for some other reason: if you peek a boo roll to lure them in, roll under their jab and catch them from a coiled position with added leg force behind your shot you can change a fight (at least, change their mind slightly while you jump on them).

Julio Cesar Chavez would be a good fighter for you to watch.

Thanks guys. A little background information on me. I have been training for about 9 months now. I've been athletic and active my whole life (played baseball and basketball growing up and in highschool wrestled and bodybuilded). I got up to around 200lbs at 5'6 lean, from a powerlifting and bodybuilding type of routine. It was for bodybuilding competition. I needed a new hobby/lifestyle and then took up boxing. I dropped the weights and just started running a lot to lose some of the mass.
Now I am boxing and am around 155-160 lbs. I still have some mass left to lose. And not to sound like I am tooting my own horn, but I am extremely explosive and quick (at 5'6 I can almost dunk a basketball, my vertical is extremely high, definitely high 30's). Although I am short, (5'6) it is not so bad because I have very long arms for my height. I am just learning how to use it properly. I haven't had any matches yet, I am training hard before diving right in.