Thread: Lets be honest about last night!!!!

Great win for Floyd, can't take it away from him he came in shape did his job and looked great doing it.

Marquez from the first bell looked like crap,, an old fighter who should hang them up, I said it after the Diaz fight and say it again, you can see the reflexes are not there like they used to be and he looked slow.

Again can not take anything away from Floyd because he did his job and came in shape looked great doing it.

NOW!!!!!!

Before anyone starts calling him P4P #1 again lets get to some real business, lets either fight the Elite at 154 (Paul Williams) or get in with the real men at 147.

Lets stop with the bullshit "They are not big enough draws for me to fight" and get in with Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao,

Hell even Spinks at 154, Dzindziruk would be a step at showing something. I would pick Floyd to win those but at least show the balls to make it clear you want the best.

The win over Marquez was a good win but in no way a reason to stand in line to give Floyd honorary handjobs, and in no way to put him in front of everyone and make him P4P#1

I would be the first to admit Pacquiao has done more impressive things over the last few years, and he is a much more likeable guy. The problem is he just isn't as GOOD as Mayweather is. People obviously don't want to put him right in the number 1 spot, but I doubt many really feel he isn't the best fighter in boxing. At that point you have to ask what the point of even having a p4p list is. Barring possibly Paul Williams at 154(which realistically won't happen), Floyd is not going to lose to anyone anytime soon.

I don't see why Floyd can't be rated P4P no.1? Yes there are bigger and better challenges for him than Marquez, but he only lost the P4P no.1 spot because he retired. The fact he came back looking as great as ever, to completely dominate (even with the obvious size advantage) a fighter the current P4P no.1 has struggled with big time over 24 rounds (lost twice too IMO), must vouch well for his position back in the P4P rankings.

Personally I'd pick Floyd to beat Pac 9 times out of 10 (Pac might land something crazy one time). And would pick him to beat every other fighter on the planet in a P4P scenario. So he's no.1 for me.

Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Great win for Floyd, can't take it away from him he came in shape did his job and looked great doing it.

Marquez from the first bell looked like crap,, an old fighter who should hang them up, I said it after the Diaz fight and say it again, you can see the reflexes are not there like they used to be and he looked slow.

Again can not take anything away from Floyd because he did his job and came in shape looked great doing it.

NOW!!!!!!

Before anyone starts calling him P4P #1 again lets get to some real business, lets either fight the Elite at 154 (Paul Williams) or get in with the real men at 147.

Lets stop with the bullshit "They are not big enough draws for me to fight" and get in with Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao,

Hell even Spinks at 154, Dzindziruk would be a step at showing something. I would pick Floyd to win those but at least show the balls to make it clear you want the best.

The win over Marquez was a good win but in no way a reason to stand in line to give Floyd honorary handjobs, and in no way to put him in front of everyone and make him P4P#1

Marquez would be a tougher fight than Cory Spinks. I mean, come on now. You talking about Marquez being done, yet at the same time you bring up Cory Spinks? You see his last fight? Spinks is done. Him getting a gift win don't change that fact. His reflexes are gone. And he don't even hit as hard as Marquez did.

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Marquez would be a tougher fight than Cory Spinks. I mean, come on now. You talking about Marquez being done, yet at the same time you bring up Cory Spinks? You see his last fight? Spinks is done. Him getting a gift win don't change that fact. His reflexes are gone. And he don't even hit as hard as Marquez did.

This. Marquez ain't nowhere near done, he just happened to be fighting an ATG. Years from now people will look back & realize just how great Marquez is. I'm not play like the weight doesn't matter at all, but Marquez is not an easy fight for anyone, but Mayweather made him look so.

The only guys around that area who I would say are definitely tougher fights than Marquez are Mosley, Williams & Cotto. Have to wait & see on Pacquiao. I thought Spinks edged Latimore, but guys who're having close fights with DeAndre Latimore just don't beat Floyd Mayweather. Marquez IS the best. Mayweather just happens to be better.

Originally Posted by JazMerkin

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Marquez would be a tougher fight than Cory Spinks. I mean, come on now. You talking about Marquez being done, yet at the same time you bring up Cory Spinks? You see his last fight? Spinks is done. Him getting a gift win don't change that fact. His reflexes are gone. And he don't even hit as hard as Marquez did.

This. Marquez ain't nowhere near done, he just happened to be fighting an ATG. Years from now people will look back & realize just how great Marquez is. I'm not play like the weight doesn't matter at all, but Marquez is not an easy fight for anyone, but Mayweather made him look so.

The only guys around that area who I would say are definitely tougher fights than Marquez are Mosley, Williams & Cotto. Have to wait & see on Pacquiao. I thought Spinks edged Latimore, but guys who're having close fights with DeAndre Latimore just don't beat Floyd Mayweather. Marquez IS the best. Mayweather just happens to be better.

I agree. Lattimore ain't a bum. But he's several levels below Mayweather.

BTW, I'm beating your ass in our match up

That's why I don't rate him much, before he moved up to 140 Floyd was making noise and getting attention for the right reasons, he was fighting some good fighters and looked impressive in some fights.

All he does now is fight old/smaller fighters. He probably thinks (or expects us to believe) beating Baldomir and Judah was a division clearout and his work is done at Welterweight. He retired when the top Welters started fighting one another and comes back after to fight a bloody lightweight!

He should have already fought Margarito, Cotto, Mosley he is a frickin Welter for crying out loud.

There is fuck all wrong with guys making fights for big paydays once there career starts to come to a close, they all do it but Floyd has been making these fights in his prime againsed faded fighters. Does anyone else not see this shit?

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Great win for Floyd, can't take it away from him he came in shape did his job and looked great doing it.

Marquez from the first bell looked like crap,, an old fighter who should hang them up, I said it after the Diaz fight and say it again, you can see the reflexes are not there like they used to be and he looked slow.

Again can not take anything away from Floyd because he did his job and came in shape looked great doing it.

NOW!!!!!!

Before anyone starts calling him P4P #1 again lets get to some real business, lets either fight the Elite at 154 (Paul Williams) or get in with the real men at 147.

Lets stop with the bullshit "They are not big enough draws for me to fight" and get in with Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao,

Hell even Spinks at 154, Dzindziruk would be a step at showing something. I would pick Floyd to win those but at least show the balls to make it clear you want the best.

The win over Marquez was a good win but in no way a reason to stand in line to give Floyd honorary handjobs, and in no way to put him in front of everyone and make him P4P#1

Marquez would be a tougher fight than Cory Spinks. I mean, come on now. You talking about Marquez being done, yet at the same time you bring up Cory Spinks? You see his last fight? Spinks is done. Him getting a gift win don't change that fact. His reflexes are gone. And he don't even hit as hard as Marquez did.

But6 Spinks is a fighter of Floyds size who has campaigned as a WW and SWW his whole career.....

Your telling me the version of Marquez that showed up last night from opening bell and the size difference was worth giving him back the P4P spot?

Then you also believe that Wlad should not be considered the top HW in boxing because Vitaly was the top man retired then came back so he should get the spot automatically right

Im sorry this is not high school basketball, you dont come and go as you please then be given the same spot you left at because of past accomplishments...

Why the hell should other guys even fighjt for titles and legacy then because at any time someone can come out of retirement and take it all away without even fighting...

In fact with your way of thinking Andre Berto should be stripped of his belt and it should be given back to Mayweather

Honest opinion.

I thought he was good last night, nothing above what I expected.

I still think he's number one. I think he'd beat PacMan. But I'd like to see him in a fight against a taller, naturally heavier man not in his mid 30s.

Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Great win for Floyd, can't take it away from him he came in shape did his job and looked great doing it.

Marquez from the first bell looked like crap,, an old fighter who should hang them up, I said it after the Diaz fight and say it again, you can see the reflexes are not there like they used to be and he looked slow.

Again can not take anything away from Floyd because he did his job and came in shape looked great doing it.

NOW!!!!!!

Before anyone starts calling him P4P #1 again lets get to some real business, lets either fight the Elite at 154 (Paul Williams) or get in with the real men at 147.

Lets stop with the bullshit "They are not big enough draws for me to fight" and get in with Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao,

Hell even Spinks at 154, Dzindziruk would be a step at showing something. I would pick Floyd to win those but at least show the balls to make it clear you want the best.

The win over Marquez was a good win but in no way a reason to stand in line to give Floyd honorary handjobs, and in no way to put him in front of everyone and make him P4P#1

Marquez would be a tougher fight than Cory Spinks. I mean, come on now. You talking about Marquez being done, yet at the same time you bring up Cory Spinks? You see his last fight? Spinks is done. Him getting a gift win don't change that fact. His reflexes are gone. And he don't even hit as hard as Marquez did.

But6 Spinks is a fighter of Floyds size who has campaigned as a WW and SWW his whole career.....

Your telling me the version of Marquez that showed up last night from opening bell and the size difference was worth giving him back the P4P spot?

Then you also believe that Wlad should not be considered the top HW in boxing because Vitaly was the top man retired then came back so he should get the spot automatically right

Im sorry this is not high school basketball, you dont come and go as you please then be given the same spot you left at because of past accomplishments...

Why the hell should other guys even fighjt for titles and legacy then because at any time someone can come out of retirement and take it all away without even fighting...

In fact with your way of thinking Andre Berto should be stripped of his belt and it should be given back to Mayweather

Alfonso Gomez fought as high as Middleweight. Maybe Mayweather should fight him.

You say past accomplishments shouldn't factor in things. But ain't that why you thinking Spinks would be a threat? Past accomplishments? Cuz it can't be based on anything he's done recently

I guess PBF did what he was suppose to do but critics are discrediting him because of how well he did it If JMM would've made this a dogfight and PBF eked out a KO victory then he would've got more credit for digging deep and pulling out a KO against the possible #1 p4p guy. Lets really be honest...PBF needed a test drive fight after his layoff and JMM was more than worthy of that.

I dont understand why everyone wants a Mayweather Paquiao fight. Again a lighter weight guy coming up to floyds weight. I just dont see this as fair. Until the weigh in is done the day before and 15 mins before a fight, the heavier guy always has an advantage.

They should fight at 139lbs weighed 15mins before the fight. Then see who wins.

Anyways, I dont hand the fight to Floyd if Manny comes up. Manny is very fast and has more power than Floyd.

Originally Posted by planes

I dont understand why everyone wants a Mayweather Paquiao fight. Again a lighter weight guy coming up to floyds weight. I just dont see this as fair. Until the weigh in is done the day before and 15 mins before a fight, the heavier guy always has an advantage.

They should fight at 139lbs weighed 15mins before the fight. Then see who wins.

Anyways, I dont hand the fight to Floyd if Manny comes up. Manny is very fast and has more power than Floyd.

Good points.

Most mainly think Pac because of the skills and also the unexpected way he dealt with Oscar and the fact he came in the larger man and was unaffected by it.

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Marquez would be a tougher fight than Cory Spinks. I mean, come on now. You talking about Marquez being done, yet at the same time you bring up Cory Spinks? You see his last fight? Spinks is done. Him getting a gift win don't change that fact. His reflexes are gone. And he don't even hit as hard as Marquez did.

But6 Spinks is a fighter of Floyds size who has campaigned as a WW and SWW his whole career.....

Your telling me the version of Marquez that showed up last night from opening bell and the size difference was worth giving him back the P4P spot?

Then you also believe that Wlad should not be considered the top HW in boxing because Vitaly was the top man retired then came back so he should get the spot automatically right

Im sorry this is not high school basketball, you dont come and go as you please then be given the same spot you left at because of past accomplishments...

Why the hell should other guys even fighjt for titles and legacy then because at any time someone can come out of retirement and take it all away without even fighting...

In fact with your way of thinking Andre Berto should be stripped of his belt and it should be given back to Mayweather

Alfonso Gomez fought as high as Middleweight. Maybe Mayweather should fight him.

You say past accomplishments shouldn't factor in things. But ain't that why you thinking Spinks would be a threat? Past accomplishments? Cuz it can't be based on anything he's done recently

Well in all honesty Spinks was just a name I threw out there because he is as I said before again a LEGIT fighter who has spent his best years as a WW and JMW........Why is it Floyd has always either avoided the best in his division or the most dangerous since his years at 135?

I think we saw exactly what the majority thought we would,with the exceptions of a few predicting a Mayweather KO and a few...cough.....picking Marquez to shock the world and pull off a victory for the ages.Hi.

Floyd took Marquez for purely his name relevance and how it will translate into a showdown with Pacquiao.The reclaiming the hollow title of p4p #1 a priority as well.That is deep for Mayweather.It was said prior to the fight...Marquez is NOT a welter.He has been in some hellish battles and the wear and tear was obvious...and his style had changed in a big way.More frontal,less defense and gunning for the TKO.I do not think he is a shot fighter,nor done and headed for retirement.Mayweather maximized all of his advantages,being fresh and well rested,being a shot caller in regards to promotion and allowed to bend the rules,speed,reflex,defense,and being a fooking Jr middle once the bell rang going up vs a bulky over stuffed lightweight.And people simply cannot deny that.Eat it up.He's getting away with what he can as the fans shell out money to lap it up.History will reflect such and I dont think it will be kind.He retired and the division got hot while Manny passed him by.He wants his status back.Marquez is a weary warrior and fought his set off against all odds and has nothing to be ashamed of.