i love calzaghe but......

the end of his career will be a mirror image of what people will conclude about his whole career....

say what you like, in my opinion, calzaghe is one of the best p4p fighters that has ever lived, however people will always question why he didnt conquer america earlier and why he didnt fight these big names in their prime.

now with one fight left he is going to do exactly the same and avoid the fight versus pavlik which would define his career, and instead take the jones jr fight, a guy 5 years past his best who calzaghe will dispose of comfortably.

come on joe, take on Pavlik and prove to everyone once and for all just how good you are!

It doesn't matter what cal does some people always going to question him. They said beat lacy and we'll respect ya, he beat lacy, they said beat kess and we'll respect ya, he beat kess and now they said beat bhop and he beat him...5 months from now it'll be the same shit. Some people just refuse to realize that cal is an awesome fighter.

i love calzaghe but......

Somehow I agree with Hopkins when he said Calzaghe developed his reputation in the B-level competition.

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Originally Posted by fishlock4ever

the end of his career will be a mirror image of what people will conclude about his whole career....

say what you like, in my opinion, calzaghe is one of the best p4p fighters that has ever lived, however people will always question why he didnt conquer america earlier and why he didnt fight these big names in their prime.

now with one fight left he is going to do exactly the same and avoid the fight versus pavlik which would define his career, and instead take the jones jr fight, a guy 5 years past his best who calzaghe will dispose of comfortably.

come on joe, take on Pavlik and prove to everyone once and for all just how good you are!

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dod u hear pavlik or anyone from his team calling for a fight with joe after he beat taylor? or did u hear them all look for fights at middleweight?

he has no one to blame but himself for the way he gets no respect........i have spent many post sayinh how i dislike him...........but at the begining i was a fan, i thought this guy can improve and become britans first p4p guy, he's won a belt, is still a bit raw with his punches there more slaps or cuffings but becomeing a champ will improve him, a couple a decent defences then hit the us to clean up slowly...............more then 10 years later, he still choose to fight decent guys, still in the uk, still slapping..........he never improved skill wise and never took the next step up, and finnaly he does its against a 43 year old former great

it should have been so different with joe.....thats whats turned me against him, all his talk over the years has been just that, sad because he should be a household name from 8 years ago

Who's been there 4 him 2 fight though really? he'd of killed himself getting down 2 MW 2 fight Hopkins,n Hopkins was more intrested in the MW title Defence than moving up,RJJ never really seemed intrested in Calzaghe.Who's left?? He never fought Ottke,even if he did he'd have beat him or got robbed in Germany and would'nt have added much at all 2 his legacy,im starting 2 struggle 4 names allready?? :rolleyes: Add his injuries and the Frank Warren factor and I dont see how he could of done anything that diffrently.SMW was shite 4 years untill Lacey came through,nothing like the WW or SF,even now there are only 2 names getting mentioned,1 of them is washed up,the other is 2 div below him!!

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Originally Posted by NUCLEAR BULL

he has no one to blame but himself for the way he gets no respect........i have spent many post sayinh how i dislike him...........but at the begining i was a fan, i thought this guy can improve and become britans first p4p guy, he's won a belt, is still a bit raw with his punches there more slaps or cuffings but becomeing a champ will improve him, a couple a decent defences then hit the us to clean up slowly...............more then 10 years later, he still choose to fight decent guys, still in the uk, still slapping..........he never improved skill wise and never took the next step up, and finnaly he does its against a 43 year old former great

it should have been so different with joe.....thats whats turned me against him, all his talk over the years has been just that, sad because he should be a household name from 8 years ago

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Youre right, it shouldve been done years ago...im NOT HAPPY that it wasnt done years ago either.

But i dont think its joe's fault tbh, i think its frank warren's fault.

Look at amir khan now, hes had a few fights, now would be a good time to prove his worth by going to the us and fighting for a world title against campbell...BUT IT WONT HAPPEN BECAUSE WARREN WONT DO IT LIKE THAT:rolleyes:

I dont think its joe's fault, its frank warren.

As for the original poster...TRUST ME JOE WILL FIGHT KELLY PAVLIK;)

He will fight jones, probably win and then come out of retirement to fight pavlik in america for a final fight.

In my opinion (i respect people who might disagree with me though) but i think he'll beat jones and beat pavlik...this will give him 47,0,0 beating eubank, reid, lacy, kessler, hopkins, jones and pavlik in his career, he will have been undisputed champ for 12 years and made a record number of defenses.

To me, that will speak for itself.

I want to see him face pavlik and believe it will happen, the reason for this is because when he wins (if he does) he totally destroys any doubt and any of the haters opinions, they will have no platform to stand on when criticising joe calzaghe...believe me it will happen;)

I already made my prediction before the hopkins fight in a thread and the first part of my prediction was correct...now for the next saga of the prediction to take place, watch as it unravels:)

It doesnt matter who he beats, he will finish his career being unbeaten, having taken down eubank, reid, lacy, kessler, hopkins, jones and pavlik but still there will be people who hate him;)

blameing frank warren yeah is a valid answer but surely calzaghe has to take blame to, he should have demanded better fights, and gone to vegas years ago

i just feel he wasted his time doing what he did and with it wasted his talent.

german great sven ottka made 21 defence of his ibf ( later adding the wba as well ) titles
he beat charles brewer twice who calzahge told us was true world class when he fought years later. glen johson who calzaghe twice pulled out of fighting then pulled out compleatly. Anthony Mundine. Byron Mitchell, who again calzaghe said was world class american when he fought him. and Robin Reid, one of joes toughest fights

thats 21 title defences charles brewer, glen johson, Anthony Mundine, Byron Mitchell, Robin Reid..........why doesn't that hold any water, why isnt sven classed as good as calzaghe, why oh why did calzaghe refuse to fight sven

calzaghe has to carry the balme for the lack of respect he gets

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Originally Posted by NUCLEAR BULL

blameing frank warren yeah is a valid answer but surely calzaghe has to take blame to, he should have demanded better fights, and gone to vegas years ago

i just feel he wasted his time doing what he did and with it wasted his talent.

german great sven ottka made 21 defence of his ibf ( later adding the wba as well ) titles
he beat charles brewer twice who calzahge told us was true world class when he fought years later. glen johson who calzaghe twice pulled out of fighting then pulled out compleatly. Anthony Mundine. Byron Mitchell, who again calzaghe said was world class american when he fought him. and Robin Reid, one of joes toughest fights

thats 21 title defences charles brewer, glen johson, Anthony Mundine, Byron Mitchell, Robin Reid..........why doesn't that hold any water, why isnt sven classed as good as calzaghe, why oh why did calzaghe refuse to fight sven

calzaghe has to carry the balme for the lack of respect he gets

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Because Sven Ottke didn't even deserve most of those decision. Ottke has got so many gift decisions its ridiculous, his fight against Reid was just a joke. Thats one of the worst robberies i've ever seen.

that maybe true, but on paper he's a 21 defence unbeaten world champion, and i'm sure our friends in germany who are big fans of his are just a defences of sven as joes fans are of him in the uk, my point is to many sven is a nothing fighter who fought at home against decent guys.......................in many way the same as joe.............i dont rate sven just like you dont so why should i hold calzaghe in such high reguard and sven as rubbish. im not saying ottka is better or as good as joe, but on paper the facts read he's no different really

you have to blame joe for his lack of respect from people, like i said earlier he even refused to fight ottka when he could have beat him and become undisbuted super middle champ years earlier then when he did, at that point i really lost respect for him

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Originally Posted by NUCLEAR BULL

that maybe true, but on paper he's a 21 defence unbeaten world champion, and i'm sure our friends in germany who are big fans of his are just a defences of sven as joes fans are of him in the uk, my point is to many sven is a nothing fighter who fought at home against decent guys.......................in many way the same as joe.............i dont rate sven just like you dont so why should i hold calzaghe in such high reguard and sven as rubbish. im not saying ottka is better or as good as joe, but on paper the facts read he's no different really

you have to blame joe for his lack of respect from people, like i said earlier he even refused to fight ottka when he could have beat him and become undisbuted super middle champ years earlier then when he did, at that point i really lost respect for him

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I don't think Sven is rubbish i think he is a good fighter and slightly underrated by some people, i think if we are just talking about there Super Middleweight defenses then Calzaghe has the edge with his victories over Kessler, Eubank, etc which he did in style. I just never could hold Sven in the same class as Calzaghe based on Sven's gift decisions which you just cannot ignore. I mean you could make a case he should have at least 4 losses on his record.