that maybe true, but on paper he's a 21 defence unbeaten world champion, and i'm sure our friends in germany who are big fans of his are just a defences of sven as joes fans are of him in the uk, my point is to many sven is a nothing fighter who fought at home against decent guys.......................in many way the same as joe.............i dont rate sven just like you dont so why should i hold calzaghe in such high reguard and sven as rubbish. im not saying ottka is better or as good as joe, but on paper the facts read he's no different really

you have to blame joe for his lack of respect from people, like i said earlier he even refused to fight ottka when he could have beat him and become undisbuted super middle champ years earlier then when he did, at that point i really lost respect for him