All this shit about Ricky Hatton
It's seriously doing my head in.
I'm starting to question how much knowledge you actually have to have to be able to call yourself a Boxing Expert or Reporter.
I'm fed up with the 'Hatton needs to quit' talk. It's absolute shite.
I know i sound like a broken record but i have seen every single Ricky Hatton fight (most of them more than once). I get the feeling the so called experts have only really followed him since his Kostya Tszyu fight.
Let's look at some of the shite that's been said over the last few days....
"Hatton was rocked with shots that wouldn't have rocked him 3 or 4 years ago"
Hmm so how about when Gilbert Quiros hurt him in the 1st round back in 2000? Or how about when Jason Rowland hurt him with a body shot right before Hatton answered back with a KO? How about when Vince Phillips made him hold for his life in the 4th round of their clash? How about when Magee rocked him in the 2nd round of their fight?How about when Ben Tackie buzzed him in the 12th round of their fight?How about when Luis Collazo almost ko'd him?How about when Juan Urango almsot had him down with a body shot?
Hatton getting rocked is no new thing. The only time we need to worry is when he hasn't recovered from a shot about 1 minute later. Once his powers of recovery start going, there may be cause for concern. There was no evidence of this on Saturday. He was fine.
The Hatton of old would have ko'd Juan Lazcano
Again this is bullshit when you consider he's never really had one punch knockout power. I remember him having similar struggles. He won widely against Tackie and Phillips whilst getting rocked in the process. He won widely against Vilches and looked spectacularly shite in the process. He looked just as bad against Mikhali Krivolapov (spelling?). Not putting his opponent away is not a sign of him fading. It's a sign of him facing a tough bastard who has too much pride to quit.
I just get the feeling that Ricky's shelf life with the media is close to expiring. When someone becomes so popular it's only natural for individuals to rebel against the Mainstream and decide to be part of a cult that basically has the daggers out for him. That's my general feeling on the subject. I think a lot of people are hating on him just so they sound like they know something about Boxing. Just something that seperates them from the crowd. It happens all the time in the UK. Media build someone up only to knock them back down again. It's Lewis Hamilton's turn next anyway so i can look forward to that :D.
Anyway i think i've beaten the subject to death now. To conclude....If you think Hatton is seriously on the slide now, i think you had a bit of a misconception about how good he was in the first pace. Either that or you haven't really seen enough of his fights.
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Good shout mate, I never got into the Hatton threads because by the time I came to it they were all 4 or 5 pages long, and these kind of debates are done to the death.
But I do agree with your opinion, not sure what people expect Ricky to do!
I particularly agree with your statement about how the media hype someone and this is followed by a massive backlash. This is starting to be the case with Khan! And if Lewis Hamilton fails to win the season, it'll be the case with him also as you said.
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I agree
I wouldn't believe the date in the Sun
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ono
It's seriously doing my head in.
I'm starting to question how much knowledge you actually have to have to be able to call yourself a Boxing Expert or Reporter.
I'm fed up with the 'Hatton needs to quit' talk. It's absolute shite.
I know i sound like a broken record but i have seen every single Ricky Hatton fight (most of them more than once). I get the feeling the so called experts have only really followed him since his Kostya Tszyu fight.
Let's look at some of the shite that's been said over the last few days....
"Hatton was rocked with shots that wouldn't have rocked him 3 or 4 years ago"
Hmm so how about when Gilbert Quiros hurt him in the 1st round back in 2000? Or how about when Jason Rowland hurt him with a body shot right before Hatton answered back with a KO? How about when Vince Phillips made him hold for his life in the 4th round of their clash? How about when Magee rocked him in the 2nd round of their fight?How about when Ben Tackie buzzed him in the 12th round of their fight?How about when Luis Collazo almost ko'd him?How about when Juan Urango almsot had him down with a body shot?
Hatton getting rocked is no new thing. The only time we need to worry is when he hasn't recovered from a shot about 1 minute later. Once his powers of recovery start going, there may be cause for concern. There was no evidence of this on Saturday. He was fine.
The Hatton of old would have ko'd Juan Lazcano
Again this is bullshit when you consider he's never really had one punch knockout power. I remember him having similar struggles. He won widely against Tackie and Phillips whilst getting rocked in the process. He won widely against Vilches and looked spectacularly shite in the process. He looked just as bad against Mikhali Krivolapov (spelling?). Not putting his opponent away is not a sign of him fading. It's a sign of him facing a tough bastard who has too much pride to quit.
I just get the feeling that Ricky's shelf life with the media is close to expiring. When someone becomes so popular it's only natural for individuals to rebel against the Mainstream and decide to be part of a cult that basically has the daggers out for him. That's my general feeling on the subject. I think a lot of people are hating on him just so they sound like they know something about Boxing. Just something that seperates them from the crowd. It happens all the time in the UK. Media build someone up only to knock them back down again. It's Lewis Hamilton's turn next anyway so i can look forward to that :D.
Anyway i think i've beaten the subject to death now. To conclude....If you think Hatton is seriously on the slide now, i think you had a bit of a misconception about how good he was in the first pace. Either that or you haven't really seen enough of his fights.
Great post Ono, and you summed up my own psyche to a tee at the end.;D
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Oh well.. I guess Bilbo is right after all - Hatton is crap. And always has been ;D
Clearly his matchmakers have done a truely outstanding job... especially DUCKING Witter throughout his entire career ;)
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Hatton has peaked for sure , but he is still a top guy and good to watch,
as for the British tabloids well they are total shit and only a fool reads them.
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Excellent post, it makes my blood boil when people insult him. He's not done in boxing yet, far far from it. He'd ease through ANY man at 140. I just think some people on this forum would rather put people down than priase them, I think the only time I see Violent Demise post is saying how shot a fighter is.
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Ricky is not as good as three years ago, but still a good fighter. His last fight there were 56,000 people there, to retire doesnt make sense or am I missing something ;D.
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Ricky is not as good as three years ago, but still a good fighter. His last fight there were 56,000 people there, to retire doesnt make sense or am I missing something ;D.
Again it's hard to say that because he looked much better on Saturday night than he did against a much worse opponent 3 years ago (Carlos Maussa).
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Ricky is not as good as three years ago, but still a good fighter. His last fight there were 56,000 people there, to retire doesnt make sense or am I missing something ;D.
Again it's hard to say that because he looked much better on Saturday night than he did against a much worse opponent 3 years ago (Carlos Maussa).
He didn't look better at all. Maussa was just a nightmare awkward style. Once Hatton calmed down and used his brain he took him out. That Hatton would have stopped Lazcano.
And how can Maussa be much worse than Lazcano?
Maussa KO'd Harris. Lazcano lost to him. ;)
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Ricky is not as good as three years ago, but still a good fighter. His last fight there were 56,000 people there, to retire doesnt make sense or am I missing something ;D.
Again it's hard to say that because he looked much better on Saturday night than he did against a much worse opponent 3 years ago (Carlos Maussa).
He didn't look better at all. Maussa was just a nightmare awkward style. Once Hatton calmed down and used his brain he took him out. That Hatton would have stopped Lazcano.
And how can Maussa be much worse than Lazcano?
Maussa KO'd Harris. Lazcano lost to him. ;)
Maussa was shite. Hatton was very very careless against Maussa. Reckless in fact. I don't think any version of Hatton would stop Lazcano.
Harris only lost to Maussa because he spent the 1st 3 rounds swinging for the hills. Every shot bounced off his big stupid head but had no effect on the devil worshipper.
You can't honestly sit there and tell me Carlos Maussa is a better fight than Juan Lazcano :confused:
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Again it's hard to say that because he looked much better on Saturday night than he did against a much worse opponent 3 years ago (Carlos Maussa).
He didn't look better at all. Maussa was just a nightmare awkward style. Once Hatton calmed down and used his brain he took him out. That Hatton would have stopped Lazcano.
And how can Maussa be much worse than Lazcano?
Maussa KO'd Harris. Lazcano lost to him. ;)
Maussa was shite. Hatton was very very careless against Maussa. Reckless in fact. I don't think any version of Hatton would stop Lazcano.
Harris only lost to Maussa because he spent the 1st 3 rounds swinging for the hills. Every shot bounced off his big stupid head but had no effect on the devil worshipper.
You can't honestly sit there and tell me Carlos Maussa is a better fight than Juan Lazcano :confused:
Without them fighting it's impossible to say who is best.
On a formline through Harris it's Maussa.
You think Harris is shit. Witter is shit. Maussa is shit. Yet you're trumpeting Lazcano at 140 - why? :-\
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He didn't look better at all. Maussa was just a nightmare awkward style. Once Hatton calmed down and used his brain he took him out. That Hatton would have stopped Lazcano.
And how can Maussa be much worse than Lazcano?
Maussa KO'd Harris. Lazcano lost to him. ;)
Maussa was shite. Hatton was very very careless against Maussa. Reckless in fact. I don't think any version of Hatton would stop Lazcano.
Harris only lost to Maussa because he spent the 1st 3 rounds swinging for the hills. Every shot bounced off his big stupid head but had no effect on the devil worshipper.
You can't honestly sit there and tell me Carlos Maussa is a better fight than Juan Lazcano :confused:
Without them fighting it's impossible to say who is best.
On a formline through Harris it's Maussa.
You think Harris is shit. Witter is shit. Maussa is shit. Yet you're trumpeting Lazcano at 140 - why? :-\
I'm not trumpeting him....i think he's as good as the other champs at 140.
As is Witter and Harris...roughly imo.
I just didn't like how everyone was making out that Lazcano was going to be an easy fight. Even if Team Hatton thought so....it was silly.
IMO he might aswell have fought a titlist at 140 for his comeback fight. More reward for just as much risk.
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ono
It's seriously doing my head in.
I'm starting to question how much knowledge you actually have to have to be able to call yourself a Boxing Expert or Reporter.
I'm fed up with the 'Hatton needs to quit' talk. It's absolute shite.
I know i sound like a broken record but i have seen every single Ricky Hatton fight (most of them more than once). I get the feeling the so called experts have only really followed him since his Kostya Tszyu fight.
Let's look at some of the shite that's been said over the last few days....
"Hatton was rocked with shots that wouldn't have rocked him 3 or 4 years ago"
Hmm so how about when Gilbert Quiros hurt him in the 1st round back in 2000? Or how about when Jason Rowland hurt him with a body shot right before Hatton answered back with a KO? How about when Vince Phillips made him hold for his life in the 4th round of their clash? How about when Magee rocked him in the 2nd round of their fight?How about when Ben Tackie buzzed him in the 12th round of their fight?How about when Luis Collazo almost ko'd him?How about when Juan Urango almsot had him down with a body shot?
Hatton getting rocked is no new thing. The only time we need to worry is when he hasn't recovered from a shot about 1 minute later. Once his powers of recovery start going, there may be cause for concern. There was no evidence of this on Saturday. He was fine.
The Hatton of old would have ko'd Juan Lazcano
Again this is bullshit when you consider he's never really had one punch knockout power. I remember him having similar struggles. He won widely against Tackie and Phillips whilst getting rocked in the process. He won widely against Vilches and looked spectacularly shite in the process. He looked just as bad against Mikhali Krivolapov (spelling?). Not putting his opponent away is not a sign of him fading. It's a sign of him facing a tough bastard who has too much pride to quit.
I just get the feeling that Ricky's shelf life with the media is close to expiring. When someone becomes so popular it's only natural for individuals to rebel against the Mainstream and decide to be part of a cult that basically has the daggers out for him. That's my general feeling on the subject. I think a lot of people are hating on him just so they sound like they know something about Boxing. Just something that seperates them from the crowd. It happens all the time in the UK. Media build someone up only to knock them back down again. It's Lewis Hamilton's turn next anyway so i can look forward to that :D.
Anyway i think i've beaten the subject to death now. To conclude....If you think Hatton is seriously on the slide now, i think you had a bit of a misconception about how good he was in the first pace. Either that or you haven't really seen enough of his fights.
So your point is Hatton has not declined, he was just never that good in the first place? wow.
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ono
It's seriously doing my head in.
I'm starting to question how much knowledge you actually have to have to be able to call yourself a Boxing Expert or Reporter.
I'm fed up with the 'Hatton needs to quit' talk. It's absolute shite.
I know i sound like a broken record but i have seen every single Ricky Hatton fight (most of them more than once). I get the feeling the so called experts have only really followed him since his Kostya Tszyu fight.
Let's look at some of the shite that's been said over the last few days....
"Hatton was rocked with shots that wouldn't have rocked him 3 or 4 years ago"
Hmm so how about when Gilbert Quiros hurt him in the 1st round back in 2000? Or how about when Jason Rowland hurt him with a body shot right before Hatton answered back with a KO? How about when Vince Phillips made him hold for his life in the 4th round of their clash? How about when Magee rocked him in the 2nd round of their fight?How about when Ben Tackie buzzed him in the 12th round of their fight?How about when Luis Collazo almost ko'd him?How about when Juan Urango almsot had him down with a body shot?
Hatton getting rocked is no new thing. The only time we need to worry is when he hasn't recovered from a shot about 1 minute later. Once his powers of recovery start going, there may be cause for concern. There was no evidence of this on Saturday. He was fine.
The Hatton of old would have ko'd Juan Lazcano
Again this is bullshit when you consider he's never really had one punch knockout power. I remember him having similar struggles. He won widely against Tackie and Phillips whilst getting rocked in the process. He won widely against Vilches and looked spectacularly shite in the process. He looked just as bad against Mikhali Krivolapov (spelling?). Not putting his opponent away is not a sign of him fading. It's a sign of him facing a tough bastard who has too much pride to quit.
I just get the feeling that Ricky's shelf life with the media is close to expiring. When someone becomes so popular it's only natural for individuals to rebel against the Mainstream and decide to be part of a cult that basically has the daggers out for him. That's my general feeling on the subject. I think a lot of people are hating on him just so they sound like they know something about Boxing. Just something that seperates them from the crowd. It happens all the time in the UK. Media build someone up only to knock them back down again. It's Lewis Hamilton's turn next anyway so i can look forward to that :D.
Anyway i think i've beaten the subject to death now. To conclude....If you think Hatton is seriously on the slide now, i think you had a bit of a misconception about how good he was in the first pace. Either that or you haven't really seen enough of his fights.
So your point is Hatton has not declined, he was just never that good in the first place? wow.
Not exactly.
Basically i'm saying he hasn't really altered for better or for worse. Being rocked and not being able to put his opponent away aren't exactly firsts for him. So called experts are making out like it is....and thats why he should hang em up.
