what will be the p4p top 10 this time next year??

ok here goes....

1-Manny Pacquiao
2-Ricky Hatton
3-Israel Vasquez
4-Paul Williams
5-Juan Manuel Marquez
6-Andre Berto
7-Miguel Cotto
8-Chad Dawson
9-Arthur Abraham
10-Juan Diaz


ok heres my explanations....


Pacquiao - loses to hatton at 140 in may but manages to hang on to the number 1 spot due to JCs retirement, a win back at 135 and the pure fact that american pundits dont really take to hatton oh to well.

Hatton - Victory over pacman has him flying up the rankings yet even another mandatory defence at 140 cant shift him into top spot.

Vazquez - clean year for izzy who manages to clean up at 122 before winning a world title at featherweight leading to many calling for him to shoot up furthermore and fight manny.

Williams - 2009 is the year for paul, rules at 154

Marquez - hard fought win against baby boy leads to JMM possibly moving up to 140 with hatton in sight and a world title at the weight by the end of the year.

Berto - Sure the guy is being protected but such a procarious talent deserves time to flourish into the world class talent he truly is. Berto-Cotto to be the fight of 2010

Cotto - vengenace for miguel who as soon as he polishes off jennings will redeem himself and win a hard fought stoppage against margarito.

Dawson - whoever said america isnt producing world class fighters anymore?? No calzaghe in the picture and probably no bhop or RJJ either. Few mandatory defences will eventually lead to dawson taking out either kessler or taylor.

Abraham - I rate AA, i really REALLY rate AA. But the fact is he`s being held back fighting in germany against 2nd/3rd tier opponents and wont get true recognition until he breaks the shackles.

Diaz - performance against JMM will only aid his status and hopefully get him a rematch with nate which he`ll win.

How will Ricky Hatton getting stopped by Pacquiao get him to #2 spot? What about the eminent return of Mayweather? He should go straight into the top 10 p4p before his first fight, and he is the best fighter in the world, and he will definitely reclaim his position when he beats the winner of Pacquiao-hatton.

Two major issues with that list:

1. Hatton as high as # 2.
2. Berto above Cotto.

Other than that... could be, I guess.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

How will Ricky Hatton getting stopped by Pacquiao get him to #2 spot? What about the eminent return of Mayweather? He should go straight into the top 10 p4p before his first fight, and he is the best fighter in the world, and he will definitely reclaim his position when he beats the winner of Pacquiao-hatton.

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Gotta agree with u on that.

Here is my go.

PBF
PAC
P. Williams
JMM
BHOP
A. Abraham
Izzy Vasquez
Chad Dawson
Hatton
Caballero

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

ok here goes....

1-Manny Pacquiao
2-Ricky Hatton
3-Israel Vasquez
4-Paul Williams
5-Juan Manuel Marquez
6-Andre Berto
7-Miguel Cotto
8-Chad Dawson
9-Arthur Abraham
10-Juan Diaz

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Hmmm don't want to get too nitpicky but..........I would like to hear your scenarios that have Cotto and Berto on there but not Margarito. It is questionable whether Vazquez's surgery will be successful and he may have to retire, even if he doesn't he will probably never be at the level he was. How does Hatton get to # 2? How does Juan Diaz get on the list before Campbell? I guess it's only fair now that I post my list to be picked apart by others ;D

1 - PAC
2 - JMM
3 - Williams
4 - Margarito
5 - Calderon
6 - Campbell
7 - Dawson
8 - Hatton
9 - Rafa
10 - JML

I am assuming that B-Hop and Calzaghe will retire and that PBF will stay retired.

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

ok here goes....

1-Manny Pacquiao
2-Ricky Hatton
3-Israel Vasquez
4-Paul Williams
5-Juan Manuel Marquez
6-Andre Berto
7-Miguel Cotto
8-Chad Dawson
9-Arthur Abraham
10-Juan Diaz

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This right here, along with Titofans list, and eagle's agreement to the original list is exactly the reason why I have to make strong cases for Margo...and for the record (TitoFan I hope you are listening) There is no way Hatton, Berto, and Paul Williams are above Miguel Cotto!

There have been reports that Vazquez may retire so you have to take that into consideration as well, Paul Williams above JMM?! Who can he even fight that would let him move that high? Same goes for Berto.

This is where I need to put my list so I can scrutinized on it as well...I'll come back to it in an hour.

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

ok here goes....

1-Manny Pacquiao
2-Ricky Hatton
3-Israel Vasquez
4-Paul Williams
5-Juan Manuel Marquez
6-Andre Berto
7-Miguel Cotto
8-Chad Dawson
9-Arthur Abraham
10-Juan Diaz

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Hmmm don't want to get too nitpicky but..........I would like to hear your scenarios that have Cotto and Berto on there but not Margarito. It is questionable whether Vazquez's surgery will be successful and he may have to retire, even if he doesn't he will probably never be at the level he was. How does Hatton get to # 2? How does Juan Diaz get on the list before Campbell? I guess it's only fair now that I post my list to be picked apart by others ;D

1 - PAC
2 - JMM
3 - Williams
4 - Margarito
5 - Calderon
6 - Campbell
7 - Dawson
8 - Hatton
9 - Rafa
10 - JML

I am assuming that B-Hop and Calzaghe will retire and that PBF will stay retired.

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Assuming Bhop, Calzaghe, and PBF retire or stay retired.

Hatton's stock won't rise if he loses to Pacman.

JMM stays in the same place if he beats Diaz assuming Pacman beats Hatton.

Dawson's stock shouldn't rise after he beats Tarver again.

Does Pwill's stock rise if he beats Winkie Wright? How much? Who else will fight him? Maybe if he fights Forrest or Dzinzurik and beats them, he'd jump into the top five.

How about Nate Campbell? Does he creep into the top ten if he beats Funeka?

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

ok here goes....

1-Manny Pacquiao
2-Ricky Hatton
3-Israel Vasquez
4-Paul Williams
5-Juan Manuel Marquez
6-Andre Berto
7-Miguel Cotto
8-Chad Dawson
9-Arthur Abraham
10-Juan Diaz

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This right here, along with Titofans list, and eagle's agreement to the original list is exactly the reason why I have to make strong cases for Margo...and for the record (TitoFan I hope you are listening) There is no way Hatton, Berto, and Paul Williams are above Miguel Cotto!

There have been reports that Vazquez may retire so you have to take that into consideration as well, Paul Williams above JMM?! Who can he even fight that would let him move that high? Same goes for Berto.

This is where I need to put my list so I can scrutinized on it as well...I'll come back to it in an hour.

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Ok, who are you... and what have you done with OnixAA?

(Pssssst.... whatever you did, it's ok).

;D

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

ok here goes....

1-Manny Pacquiao
2-Ricky Hatton
3-Israel Vasquez
4-Paul Williams
5-Juan Manuel Marquez
6-Andre Berto
7-Miguel Cotto
8-Chad Dawson
9-Arthur Abraham
10-Juan Diaz

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Hmmm don't want to get too nitpicky but..........I would like to hear your scenarios that have Cotto and Berto on there but not Margarito. It is questionable whether Vazquez's surgery will be successful and he may have to retire, even if he doesn't he will probably never be at the level he was. How does Hatton get to # 2? How does Juan Diaz get on the list before Campbell? I guess it's only fair now that I post my list to be picked apart by others ;D

1 - PAC
2 - JMM
3 - Williams
4 - Margarito
5 - Calderon
6 - Campbell
7 - Dawson
8 - Hatton
9 - Rafa
10 - JML

I am assuming that B-Hop and Calzaghe will retire and that PBF will stay retired.

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Assuming Bhop, Calzaghe, and PBF retire or stay retired.

Hatton's stock won't rise if he loses to Pacman.

JMM stays in the same place if he beats Diaz assuming Pacman beats Hatton.

Dawson's stock shouldn't rise after he beats Tarver again.

Does Pwill's stock rise if he beats Winkie Wright? How much? Who else will fight him? Maybe if he fights Forrest or Dzinzurik and beats them, he'd jump into the top five.

How about Nate Campbell? Does he creep into the top ten if he beats Funeka?

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These guys should all have more than one fight in 2009. Dawson should beat Tarver, and I assume go on to something greater and WIN.
Paul Williams should beat Winky and perhaps Forrest to gain The Ring title at 154, if he goes back up to 160 it will probably be against a big name like Abraham or Pavlik, both winnable fights for him as well. Hatton's stock shouldn't go down if he loses to PAC, but he should go up if he defeats Bradley or Holt.

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

ok here goes....

1-Manny Pacquiao
2-Ricky Hatton
3-Israel Vasquez
4-Paul Williams
5-Juan Manuel Marquez
6-Andre Berto
7-Miguel Cotto
8-Chad Dawson
9-Arthur Abraham
10-Juan Diaz

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Its an ok list, we never really know what could happen.

I can see Ricky jumping to #2 if he loses to pac via close decision and beats jmm at 140 and another top 135 that would move up to 140. Maybe.

I think Israel will be fine, I read his injury has a high recovery percentage.

as for JMM being at #5, only if he loses then me will drop there but if he doesn't he stays closely to pac at the top.

Paul williams is good but his going to have his hand full with winky, if he happens to stop winky and continue to win impressively during 2009. then this can be possible.

I hihly doubt Berto will be top 10 by next year, theres too many better fighters right now. Plus who will Berto beat at the division?

I dont think Chad Dawson will be top 15, who can he fight to get him in top 10?

If Arthur beats Pavlik then maybe he closes in to top 10 but his going to need more big fights.

Juan Diaz is not getting in top ten period.

Heres my list:

Pac: stays on fire during 2009, beats hatton, spanks floyd back to retirement at 147.
Jmm: Rules the 135 division, and ready to climb up to battle against his biggest rival Thee PACMAN!
Margarito: Beats Williams in a rematch and tighten up his grip on the welterweight division. Pac threatening, the matchup looking more possible then ever.
Izzy: Not as active but keeps his place.
Rafa: Ruling the division in IZZy's absent.
Nonito: Rules the Flyweight division! ko's montiel,vic(again), mijares.
Calderon: Continues to be undefeated, beats solis!
JML: Threatening Rafa and Izzy, a match is about to be made for 2010.
Pavlik: Comesback and rule his division, ko's arthur
Cotto: Comesback but still not going to beat margarito.

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

ok here goes....

1-Manny Pacquiao
2-Ricky Hatton
3-Israel Vasquez
4-Paul Williams
5-Juan Manuel Marquez
6-Andre Berto
7-Miguel Cotto
8-Chad Dawson
9-Arthur Abraham
10-Juan Diaz

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Decent list but seen as Manny and Hatton are fighting each other in May the loser would have to bounce back with 2 fighter against top class opposition to get back up to first or second on your list all in half a year.

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

ok here goes....

1-Manny Pacquiao
2-Ricky Hatton
3-Israel Vasquez
4-Paul Williams
5-Juan Manuel Marquez
6-Andre Berto
7-Miguel Cotto
8-Chad Dawson
9-Arthur Abraham
10-Juan Diaz

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Hmmm don't want to get too nitpicky but..........I would like to hear your scenarios that have Cotto and Berto on there but not Margarito. It is questionable whether Vazquez's surgery will be successful and he may have to retire, even if he doesn't he will probably never be at the level he was. How does Hatton get to # 2? How does Juan Diaz get on the list before Campbell? I guess it's only fair now that I post my list to be picked apart by others ;D

1 - PAC
2 - JMM
3 - Williams
4 - Margarito
5 - Calderon
6 - Campbell
7 - Dawson
8 - Hatton
9 - Rafa
10 - JML

I am assuming that B-Hop and Calzaghe will retire and that PBF will stay retired.

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I would agree with this one the most. JMM any lower than 3 spot is insane.

ok heres my explanations....


Pacquiao - loses to hatton at 140 in may but manages to hang on to the number 1 spot due to JCs retirement, a win back at 135 and the pure fact that american pundits dont really take to hatton oh to well.

Hatton - Victory over pacman has him flying up the rankings yet even another mandatory defence at 140 cant shift him into top spot.

Vazquez - clean year for izzy who manages to clean up at 122 before winning a world title at featherweight leading to many calling for him to shoot up furthermore and fight manny.

Williams - 2009 is the year for paul, rules at 154

Marquez - hard fought win against baby boy leads to JMM possibly moving up to 140 with hatton in sight and a world title at the weight by the end of the year.

Berto - Sure the guy is being protected but such a procarious talent deserves time to flourish into the world class talent he truly is. Berto-Cotto to be the fight of 2010

Cotto - vengenace for miguel who as soon as he polishes off jennings will redeem himself and win a hard fought stoppage against margarito.

Dawson - whoever said america isnt producing world class fighters anymore?? No calzaghe in the picture and probably no bhop or RJJ either. Few mandatory defences will eventually lead to dawson taking out either kessler or taylor.

Abraham - I rate AA, i really REALLY rate AA. But the fact is he`s being held back fighting in germany against 2nd/3rd tier opponents and wont get true recognition until he breaks the shackles.

Diaz - performance against JMM will only aid his status and hopefully get him a rematch with nate which he`ll win.

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

ok heres my explanations....


Pacquiao - loses to hatton at 140 in may but manages to hang on to the number 1 spot due to JCs retirement, a win back at 135 and the pure fact that american pundits dont really take to hatton oh to well. How does he lose to Hatton? KO or decision?

Hatton - Victory over pacman has him flying up the rankings yet even another mandatory defence at 140 cant shift him into top spot. I just cant see him this high, mostly because I cant see him winning against the fighters that he would need to beat to even be on this list.

Vazquez - clean year for izzy who manages to clean up at 122 before winning a world title at featherweight leading to many calling for him to shoot up furthermore and fight manny. I am not going to play the what if he retires card here, as far as we know he's in just like right not Floyd is out.

Williams - 2009 is the year for paul, rules at 154. I can see him owning 154, but a win over Forrest and Santos I dont think can substantiate jumps over Marquez or Cotto

Marquez - hard fought win against baby boy leads to JMM possibly moving up to 140 with hatton in sight and a world title at the weight by the end of the year. The only thing I dont understand in regards to how you have JMM is how all the other guys jumped over him.

Berto - Sure the guy is being protected but such a procarious talent deserves time to flourish into the world class talent he truly is. Berto-Cotto to be the fight of 2010. This is a terrible explanation to have this guy jump Cotto, Dawson, Margo, even Abraham.

Cotto - vengenace for miguel who as soon as he polishes off jennings will redeem himself and win a hard fought stoppage against margarito. A stoppage of Margarito...did you watch the first fight?

Dawson - whoever said america isnt producing world class fighters anymore?? No calzaghe in the picture and probably no bhop or RJJ either. Few mandatory defences will eventually lead to dawson taking out either kessler or taylor. I can agree with him jumping somewhere into the picture, but not over Abraham until they fight.

Abraham - I rate AA, i really REALLY rate AA. But the fact is he`s being held back fighting in germany against 2nd/3rd tier opponents and wont get true recognition until he breaks the shackles. For him or Pavlik to be on this list they need to fight each other.

Diaz - performance against JMM will only aid his status and hopefully get him a rematch with nate which he`ll win.While I dont see him beating JMM I can see him beating Nate, I can agree with him being somewhere on the list, I can see him on here where I dont see Berto or Abraham

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See above

PAC
JMM
Hitman
Cotto
Vazquez
William
Berto
Dawson
Me...

sounds great aye? :cool: