Pacquiao beating Hatton...I just don't see it
Maybe Pac fans can help me out but I don't really see how Pac is so heavily favored in this fight. There have been numerous threads about how Pac is going to destroy Hatton and give him his worst beating ever. I don't see how that is going to happen at all. I can't even see Pacquiao winning the fight. Hatton at 140 is a fucking monster. Pacquiao has the definite edge on handspeed but that's it IMO. What is heavily underrated about Hatton is his insane footspeed and footwork. His technique and quickness is how he's able to always be on you and mugging the shit out of you. Manny WILL NOT be able to sidestep Hatton like he did ODLH, he WILL NOT. Hatton is just as fast as Manny on his feet. The only reason that Hatton even lost to Floyd was because Floyd was able to frustrate Hatton with defense and Floyd used his "size" to bully Hatton when he got tired. Then Floyd just timed Hatton and caught him. Manny will not be able to do anything like that. Hatton won't try to box with him, Hatton will mug him, and I don't think Manny's ever seen that type of pressure. I just don't see how Manny will keep Hatton off of him and I see Hatton punishing Manny on the ropes. Quite honestly, I like Manny, but if Hatton trains properly and looks he has in the past, I really think Manny will get stopped. Can someone please tell me why they think Manny is such a favorite in this fight? Outside of saying something like "because he's P4P #1". Tell me how you envision Manny winning the fight.
Re: Pacquiao beating Hatton...I just don't see it
Hatton's only advantage is the size (eventhough Pac is taller and has 3" reach advantage). And I don't think Hatton is stronger than Pac, maybe he was 2 years ago, but not anymore.
The bigger Pac's opponents are, the vunerable they'll get hit. In other words, THEY ARE EASY TARGET! ;)
And oh! Hatton is terrible fighter against southpaws.
Re: Pacquiao beating Hatton...I just don't see it
I think it will be a tough fight, fighting Hatton for anyone is a tall order, but IMO there are ways for Pacquiao to win, if he can stay off the ropes or clinch I think Hatton will have a rough time getting off, and Hatton will be wide open for the left cross as he comes in, or the right hook.
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albsur2006
Maybe Pac fans can help me out but I don't really see how Pac is so heavily favored in this fight. There have been numerous threads about how Pac is going to destroy Hatton and give him his worst beating ever. I don't see how that is going to happen at all. I can't even see Pacquiao winning the fight. Hatton at 140 is a fucking monster. Pacquiao has the definite edge on handspeed but that's it IMO. What is heavily underrated about Hatton is his insane footspeed and footwork. His technique and quickness is how he's able to always be on you and mugging the shit out of you. Manny WILL NOT be able to sidestep Hatton like he did ODLH, he WILL NOT. Hatton is just as fast as Manny on his feet. The only reason that Hatton even lost to Floyd was because Floyd was able to frustrate Hatton with defense and Floyd used his "size" to bully Hatton when he got tired. Then Floyd just timed Hatton and caught him. Manny will not be able to do anything like that. Hatton won't try to box with him, Hatton will mug him, and I don't think Manny's ever seen that type of pressure. I just don't see how Manny will keep Hatton off of him and I see Hatton punishing Manny on the ropes. Quite honestly, I like Manny, but if Hatton trains properly and looks he has in the past, I really think Manny will get stopped. Can someone please tell me why they think Manny is such a favorite in this fight? Outside of saying something like "because he's P4P #1". Tell me how you envision Manny winning the fight.
I agree with a lot of that. I think Manny has bitten off more than he can chew in choosing to fight Hatton. Hatton seems to be in the right place mentally and has a point to prove after the Mayweather experience. I can see Manny getting really busted up in there.
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Hatton's only advantage is the size (eventhough Pac is taller and has 3" reach advantage). And I don't think Hatton is stronger than Pac, maybe he was 2 years ago, but not anymore.
The bigger Pac's opponents are, the vunerable they'll get hit. In other words, THEY ARE EASY TARGET! ;)
And oh! Hatton is terrible fighter against southpaws.
Are you saying Pacquiao has gotten stronger or that Hatton has gotten weaker? I've definitely seen Pacquiao bulk up a bit, but Hatton hasn't gotten any weaker.
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Hatton's only advantage is the size (eventhough Pac is taller and has 3" reach advantage). And I don't think Hatton is stronger than Pac, maybe he was 2 years ago, but not anymore.
The bigger Pac's opponents are, the vunerable they'll get hit. In other words, THEY ARE EASY TARGET! ;)
And oh! Hatton is terrible fighter against southpaws.
Are you saying Pacquiao has gotten stronger or that Hatton has gotten weaker? I've definitely seen Pacquiao bulk up a bit, but Hatton hasn't gotten any weaker.
Well Hatton is a buracho. He's a drunk (not alcoholic, there's a difference) and he's gonna pay the price come May 2nd. Even Floyd Sr warned him many times about it. But yeah, he's gotten weaker and his face puffed up so easily in his last 2 fights. That's a sign of aging out of the sport - the DLH syndrome.
Floyd Sr kept saying Hatton will learn a lot from him?.. well guess what?.. YOU CAN'T TEACH AN OLD DOG A NEW TRICK.
Re: Pacquiao beating Hatton...I just don't see it
Well ODL-staged events has a hand in it and is just greedy enough to guarantee future large purses off his new cash cow Pac ... I am actually eager see when Pac will take a fight against a young and dangerous boxer, like say Victor Ortiz ? Like when he was afforded a title shot by MAB.
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Taeth
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James_Teja
Hatton's only advantage is the size (eventhough Pac is taller and has 3" reach advantage). And I don't think Hatton is stronger than Pac, maybe he was 2 years ago, but not anymore.
The bigger Pac's opponents are, the vunerable they'll get hit. In other words, THEY ARE EASY TARGET! ;)
And oh! Hatton is terrible fighter against southpaws.
Are you saying Pacquiao has gotten stronger or that Hatton has gotten weaker? I've definitely seen Pacquiao bulk up a bit, but Hatton hasn't gotten any weaker.
Well Hatton is a
buracho. He's a drunk (not alcoholic, there's a difference) and he's gonna pay the price come May 2nd. Even Floyd Sr warned him many times about it. But yeah, he's gotten weaker and his face puffed up so easily in his last 2 fights. That's a sign of aging out of the sport - the DLH syndrome.
Floyd Sr kept saying Hatton will learn a lot from him?.. well guess what?.. YOU CAN'T TEACH AN OLD DOG A NEW TRICK.
Hatton's not a dog, and he looked different against Paulie, he still came in his hands down, but he used more patience and showed better timing. Where is the evidence that he has gotten weaker? He muscled Mayweather, he muscled Paulie around and beat him worse than Cotto did. Hatton's face has always been puffy, thats the sign of you losing a lot of weight before a fight not the "Dela Hoya syndrome". As for the drinking there have been a few fighters like Monzon who have been alcoholics and still had long, successful careers.
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Well ODL-staged events has a hand in it and is just greedy enough to guarantee future large purses off his new cash cow Pac ... I am actually eager see when Pac will take a fight against a young and dangerous boxer, like say Victor Ortiz ? Like when he was afforded a title shot by MAB.
Him against Victor Ortiz would be a great fight, I think he should be fighting guys like Ortiz, Cotto, Mayweather, Marquez for a third time, but Hatton is a live underdog and as dangerous for Pacquiao IMO as Ortiz. First Pacquiao has to win the title, and second he has too many big fights to face Ortiz at this stage in his career. As great as MAB was, he was never the p4p king which basically means you have to make only block buster fights.
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Taeth
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Taeth
Are you saying Pacquiao has gotten stronger or that Hatton has gotten weaker? I've definitely seen Pacquiao bulk up a bit, but Hatton hasn't gotten any weaker.
Well Hatton is a
buracho. He's a drunk (not alcoholic, there's a difference) and he's gonna pay the price come May 2nd. Even Floyd Sr warned him many times about it. But yeah, he's gotten weaker and his face puffed up so easily in his last 2 fights. That's a sign of aging out of the sport - the DLH syndrome.
Floyd Sr kept saying Hatton will learn a lot from him?.. well guess what?.. YOU CAN'T TEACH AN OLD DOG A NEW TRICK.
Hatton's not a dog, and he looked different against Paulie, he still came in his hands down, but he used more patience and showed better timing. Where is the evidence that he has gotten weaker? He muscled Mayweather, he muscled Paulie around and beat him worse than Cotto did. Hatton's face has always been puffy, thats the sign of you losing a lot of weight before a fight not the "Dela Hoya syndrome". As for the drinking there have been a few fighters like Monzon who have been alcoholics and still had long, successful careers.
Paulie is a joke. Pac doesn't fight like him. The only thing they have in common is they both have tough chin. Pac is 2x faster than Paulie, and a lot smarter than him too. Believe me when I say Hatton will get frustrated from Pac's constant head movement, in and out, lateral footwork, and the southpaw style. He'll spin Hatton around all night and will catch him with the left bomb. Monzon primarily used his boxing skill, not mainly his strenght that made him a great fighter.
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Addicted to_boxing
Well ODL-staged events has a hand in it and is just greedy enough to guarantee future large purses off his new cash cow Pac ... I am actually eager see when Pac will take a fight against a young and dangerous boxer, like say Victor Ortiz ? Like when he was afforded a title shot by MAB.
Him against Victor Ortiz would be a great fight, I think he should be fighting guys like Ortiz, Cotto, Mayweather, Marquez for a third time, but Hatton is a live underdog and as dangerous for Pacquiao IMO as Ortiz. First Pacquiao has to win the title, and second he has too many big fights to face Ortiz at this stage in his career. As great as MAB was, he was never the p4p king which basically means you have to make only block buster fights.
MAB also had many fights but gave Pac a forum to launch his star status! I just want to see how Pac will fare against a harder puncher than himself and having to fight backwards .... Neither Cotto, Mayweather or Marquez has the 1 punch KO ability to alter Pac's aggression. All are already accomplished boxers and have tasted defeat. So there is not genuine hunger and neither can manufacturer the mass of endorphines that Ortiz would bring into the fight. Seems like a Pac in his younger days situation.
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Yes!.... you can see it happen live on May 2 at MGM Grand in Las Vegas or on HBO PPV. ;D
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Taeth
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Addicted to_boxing
Well ODL-staged events has a hand in it and is just greedy enough to guarantee future large purses off his new cash cow Pac ... I am actually eager see when Pac will take a fight against a young and dangerous boxer, like say Victor Ortiz ? Like when he was afforded a title shot by MAB.
Him against Victor Ortiz would be a great fight, I think he should be fighting guys like Ortiz, Cotto, Mayweather, Marquez for a third time, but Hatton is a live underdog and as dangerous for Pacquiao IMO as Ortiz. First Pacquiao has to win the title, and second he has too many big fights to face Ortiz at this stage in his career. As great as MAB was, he was never the p4p king which basically means you have to make only block buster fights.
Nice try Taeth but when Pac was offered his opportunity rankings were taken into consideration. If that moment were today Pac may have never received an opportunity. Pac did not deserve the right to fight MAB at that time any more than Ortiz does within 1 year (providing Ortiz does not lose).
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albsur2006
Maybe Pac fans can help me out but I don't really see how Pac is so heavily favored in this fight. There have been numerous threads about how Pac is going to destroy Hatton and give him his worst beating ever. I don't see how that is going to happen at all. I can't even see Pacquiao winning the fight. Hatton at 140 is a fucking monster. Pacquiao has the definite edge on handspeed but that's it IMO. What is heavily underrated about Hatton is his insane footspeed and footwork. His technique and quickness is how he's able to always be on you and mugging the shit out of you. Manny WILL NOT be able to sidestep Hatton like he did ODLH, he WILL NOT. Hatton is just as fast as Manny on his feet. The only reason that Hatton even lost to Floyd was because Floyd was able to frustrate Hatton with defense and Floyd used his "size" to bully Hatton when he got tired. Then Floyd just timed Hatton and caught him. Manny will not be able to do anything like that. Hatton won't try to box with him, Hatton will mug him, and I don't think Manny's ever seen that type of pressure. I just don't see how Manny will keep Hatton off of him and I see Hatton punishing Manny on the ropes. Quite honestly, I like Manny, but if Hatton trains properly and looks he has in the past, I really think Manny will get stopped. Can someone please tell me why they think Manny is such a favorite in this fight? Outside of saying something like "because he's P4P #1". Tell me how you envision Manny winning the fight.
Before PAc defeated De la Hoya, I can't also understand how would PAcquaio beat HAtton. I just can't imagine how Pacquaio would win over Hatton. I even predicted before that Hatton would KO Pac early. After watching pac's performance against De La Hoya ( no matter how old or drained he might be as some would say), I guess PAc would win against Hatton with his speed and knife-like punches.:cool:
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Taeth
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Addicted to_boxing
Well ODL-staged events has a hand in it and is just greedy enough to guarantee future large purses off his new cash cow Pac ... I am actually eager see when Pac will take a fight against a young and dangerous boxer, like say Victor Ortiz ? Like when he was afforded a title shot by MAB.
Him against Victor Ortiz would be a great fight, I think he should be fighting guys like Ortiz, Cotto, Mayweather, Marquez for a third time, but Hatton is a live underdog and as dangerous for Pacquiao IMO as Ortiz. First Pacquiao has to win the title, and second he has too many big fights to face Ortiz at this stage in his career. As great as MAB was, he was never the p4p king which basically means you have to make only block buster fights.
Nice try Taeth but when Pac was offered his opportunity rankings were taken into consideration. If that moment were today Pac may have never received an opportunity. Pac did not deserve the right to fight MAB at that time any more than Ortiz does within 1 year (providing Ortiz does not lose).
Nice try about what? When Pacquiao was offered the oppertunity he wasn't considered much in north america, it was suppose to be regular defense of his title for Barrera, sure some people knew Pacquiao was special, but in general he wasn't well known at all. The situation is different is because all eyes are on Pacquiao, he has bigger fights against guys nobody would argue him taking Mayweather, mosley, Cotto, right now Hatton, Marquez again. These are all fights boxing needs more than him fight Victor Ortiz. I am arguing that other people deserve the fight more than Ortiz does, and he isn't even a champion, while Pacquiao was the super batamweight champion before he faced Barrera, and he had better fighters on his resume than Ortiz currently does.
All in all Pacquiao is too busy fighting the best fighters in the world at any weight division, and the up and comers either have to knock off the Miguel Cotto's of the world or wait their turn.
