My take on Froch - Taylor...
This fight panned out exactly how I thought it would of done in that Taylor would establish a strong lead and then start to feel the pace after the sixth round. The fight changed at that point and I had the fight even going into the last round.
Well done to Jermain Taylor, I thought he started the fight really well but he really was going to find a strong 168 fighter too much in the final rounds and I knew the knockout was going to come. I admit Carl did take a lot of shots, but with his granite chin he got straight back into the fight and after the knockdown he gained his composure straight away. I think Froch did really well to change his game plan by upping the pace when he knew Taylor would struggle, the later rounds were the key to the fight and I knew Carl would take him at the end.
Very well done to Carl Froch, he really has proved that he is the man to beat at 168. Not many champs for their first ever defence would go over to face Jermain Taylor on foreign soil without any television rights. I respect Carl Froch so much for that and he dug deep when he needed to and showed that he really is a world class champion. I was very pleased that Carl kept a disaplined game plan in rounds 11 and 12 and that was the difference in the two men in the end. Carl had the bigger heart and wanted it more and big respect for Carl for doing that.
I think Jermain would give problems to ANY 168 fighter in the early parts of the fight. But he simply has to work on his stamina because he cant afford to lose championship rounds like he did against Froch. I really question what lies ahead for Taylor now, I do seem him causing problems early on but I think this third loss will really effect him in the long run and I cant see him having that burning desire again to be champion. At 30 years old its a tough time for him and I wish him luck!
For Carl Froch I believe this fight really has established himself as the man at 168. I remember before most of you even watched Carl, Bilbo called him the 'dark horse' of the weightclass. He really did prove that tonight againt Taylor and I cant wait to see him in his next fight. At 31 I really hope he goes straight for unification, Bute is the fight that makes sense to me. Allan Green will be a step backwards from Taylor IMO. Bute is what he needs to set up a fight against Kessler to really sort this weight class out.
The performance of Carl Froch early on in the fight can be critized, he was wide open when he lunged in with wild shots and Taylor capitilzed fully on that. Going into the 5th round I had Taylor ahead on every single round and with the knockdown he was up six points IMO. Froch changed his game plan, like he did against Pascal and with so much applied pressure, which Jermain Taylor couldnt take I knew he would clock up the rounds and the late stoppage I felt prior to the fight would be on the cards IF carl made it past the first half of the fight.
Correct many of you are that Taylor did have stamina issues, but none the less he is a very gifted fighter and I dont think that was the main reason why Carl won the fight. Carl diversifed to the next level and at a higher weight class I dont think Taylor could take the pressure. Sustained pressure was appiled after the 6th and it built up into the championship rounds for Carl to take the victory. Me and a few others in this forum realise what Carl brings to the table and I hope that performance against Jermain Taylor will open some of the arrogant eyes we have on this forum towards Carl Froch. He proved tonight that he is a world class fighter, he will be the man when he continues to win big named fights like this. This is the start for Carl Froch and you will see that he really will be number one in the weight class in the very near future.
As for a rematch I simply dont agree, there would be nothing to gain for Froch apart from a payday against Taylor. I see the fight ending the way it did 9/10 against Taylor. Taylor needs to move on, Froch needs to keep chasing the big names.
Well done Carl, you've proved the boxing world wrong and I am chuffed for you mate! You are a true champion my son and you dont understand how proad I am for you! 09 is the year of the cobra, mark my words Bute has it in for him if he has the balls to fight Carl.
Re: My take on Froch - Taylor...
How long have we been telling people that the Cobra is for real Tam..?
2/3 years i reckon.
Showed what he's all about and that was a brilliant display of Bulldog spirit:cool:
Never doubted he'd beat Taylor for a second and i knew he'd take him from the end of the tenth (Taylor looked distressed and beaten sitting their) but fuck me he left it late.
I thought JT was superb last night for the record and it took Carl ages to get in range without getting clipped in the process.
Great nights work from Froch and he's gonna make serious money from now on..(he got just £480,000) last night:o
Re: My take on Froch - Taylor...
Yes mate, its taken a while but hes certainly proved his worth last night. I have had a smile on my face all day, Im so happy! We knew exactly how the fight would end smash, how right ( apart from out round 10 call ) we were ;D
Re: My take on Froch - Taylor...
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Tam Seddon
Carl did take a lot of shots, but with his granite chin he got straight back into the fight and after the knockdown he gained his composure straight away
No, stop saying it!!!
He does not have a granite chin!!
Taylor wasnt even a massive puncher at middle!!
I come from Guernsey and our island is built on the hardest Blue granite in the world, to say Carls chin compares absolutely disgusts me;D
Also, he didnt gain his composure straight away Calzaghe like.
He slumped to the floor, had a terrified look on his face and looked to McCracken for a clue then had to stay down a bit to tryt and get his head to clear, then Taylor stands off for the rest of the round.
Whereas good recouperative powers are Calzaghe getting up and stopping his opponent in the same round or making the round even by totally outworking the opponent;)
Just remember, it wasnt even a ranked supermiddle he was fighting that dropped him;D
Re: My take on Froch - Taylor...
Great fight. I had him losing until the ko. I had virtually the same score as the announcer for Showtime. Good for Froch, but I felt that Taylor kind of gave it away and should have boxed the last round. I think a rematch would be good.
Froch looked very slow in that fight, but great chin and spirit. Overall a great night of boxing.
Re: My take on Froch - Taylor...
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luvfightgame
Great fight. I had him losing until the ko. I had virtually the same score as the announcer for Showtime. Good for Froch, but I felt that Taylor kind of gave it away and should have boxed the last round. I think a rematch would be good.
Froch looked very slow in that fight, but great chin and spirit. Overall a great night of boxing.
exactly how i saw it, IMO Taylor was dominating up to the 7th and then it was following the pattern of Froch starting to take the rounds early and Taylor coming from behind to steal them, i had Froch winning the 9th,10th, and 11th rounds straight but Taylor looked gassed and had stopped using his jab, i have no idea why he quit using his jab cause it looked beautiful last night, and then Froch was able to capitalize, honestly if Taylor would have made it out the 12th, even with the knockdown in the final round, IMO he would have won 8 rounds to 4 each with a kd.
Re: My take on Froch - Taylor...
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Originally Posted by
ross
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Originally Posted by
Tam Seddon
Carl did take a lot of shots, but with his granite chin he got straight back into the fight and after the knockdown he gained his composure straight away
No, stop saying it!!!
He does not have a granite chin!!
Taylor wasnt even a massive puncher at middle!!
I come from Guernsey and our island is built on the hardest Blue granite in the world, to say Carls chin compares absolutely disgusts me;D
Also, he didnt gain his composure straight away Calzaghe like.
He slumped to the floor, had a terrified look on his face and looked to McCracken for a clue then had to stay down a bit to tryt and get his head to clear, then Taylor stands off for the rest of the round.
Whereas good recouperative powers are Calzaghe getting up and stopping his opponent in the same round or making the round even by totally outworking the opponent;)
Just remember, it wasnt even a ranked supermiddle he was fighting that dropped him;D
The Ring Super Middleweight Ratings
Re: My take on Froch - Taylor...
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Originally Posted by
CFH
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Originally Posted by
ross
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Originally Posted by
Tam Seddon
Carl did take a lot of shots, but with his granite chin he got straight back into the fight and after the knockdown he gained his composure straight away
No, stop saying it!!!
He does not have a granite chin!!
Taylor wasnt even a massive puncher at middle!!
I come from Guernsey and our island is built on the hardest Blue granite in the world, to say Carls chin compares absolutely disgusts me;D
Also, he didnt gain his composure straight away Calzaghe like.
He slumped to the floor, had a terrified look on his face and looked to McCracken for a clue then had to stay down a bit to tryt and get his head to clear, then Taylor stands off for the rest of the round.
Whereas good recouperative powers are Calzaghe getting up and stopping his opponent in the same round or making the round even by totally outworking the opponent;)
Just remember, it wasnt even a ranked supermiddle he was fighting that dropped him;D
The Ring Super Middleweight Ratings
yea i'm not so sold on the The Ring Rankings anymore, they have Manny Pacquiao ranked the #5 welterweight in the world for godsake
Re: My take on Froch - Taylor...
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Originally Posted by
ross
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Originally Posted by
Tam Seddon
Carl did take a lot of shots, but with his granite chin he got straight back into the fight and after the knockdown he gained his composure straight away
No, stop saying it!!!
He does not have a granite chin!!
Taylor wasnt even a massive puncher at middle!!
I come from Guernsey and our island is built on the hardest Blue granite in the world, to say Carls chin compares absolutely disgusts me;D
Also, he didnt gain his composure straight away Calzaghe like.
He slumped to the floor, had a terrified look on his face and looked to McCracken for a clue then had to stay down a bit to tryt and get his head to clear, then Taylor stands off for the rest of the round.
Whereas good recouperative powers are Calzaghe getting up and stopping his opponent in the same round or making the round even by totally outworking the opponent;)
Just remember, it wasnt even a ranked supermiddle he was fighting that dropped him;D
Any fighter would have gone down from the shots Taylor caught Froch with in that round. He got floored as well because he didn't see the punch.
His chin is solid, the man is a beast at 168.
Also Taylor CAN bang, he's got tremendous handspeed and accuracy and if he catches you full power without you seeing the punch you are going down.
Kelly Pavlik took a bunch of shots from the supposed wrecking ball Edison Miranda and they didn't faze him whereas when Pavlik caught him he was all over the place and lucky that Steve Smoger was in charge else the fight would likely have been stopped.
Taylor will bounce back and win a world title. Imo Taylor beats everyone else at 168 including Kessler based on his performance last night.
The two guys he has lost to were both big knockout punchers who don't mind getting hit in order to deliver their own punches.
There is nobody else like that at 168. Andrade is too crude, Bute has the same problem with fading in fights and he's not as fast or talented as Taylor, Kessler is a slow, cautious fighter who works behind his jab. That fight would be more reminiscient of Taylor Hopkins and Taylor would have a great chance of winning that fight imo.
He'd even give Calzaghe problems because Joe doesn't have the power to wreck him like Froch did.
In short NOBODY gets an easy nights work against Jermain Taylor, he's a great fighter.
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ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
CFH
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Originally Posted by
ross
No, stop saying it!!!
He does not have a granite chin!!
Taylor wasnt even a massive puncher at middle!!
I come from Guernsey and our island is built on the hardest Blue granite in the world, to say Carls chin compares absolutely disgusts me;D
Also, he didnt gain his composure straight away Calzaghe like.
He slumped to the floor, had a terrified look on his face and looked to McCracken for a clue then had to stay down a bit to tryt and get his head to clear, then Taylor stands off for the rest of the round.
Whereas good recouperative powers are Calzaghe getting up and stopping his opponent in the same round or making the round even by totally outworking the opponent;)
Just remember, it wasnt even a ranked supermiddle he was fighting that dropped him;D
The Ring Super Middleweight Ratings
yea i'm not so sold on the The Ring Rankings anymore, they have Manny Pacquiao ranked the #5 welterweight in the world for godsake
While I disagree with their ranking of Manny Pacquiao, the Ring Rankings are universally regarded as the best ranking system in boxing (well, 2nd to Saddo's ranking system of course).
Regardless, my point was not to spark a debate on the validity of the Ring Rankings, only to demonstrate that Ross is spouting bullshit again like usual.
Re: My take on Froch - Taylor...
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ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
CFH
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Originally Posted by
ross
No, stop saying it!!!
He does not have a granite chin!!
Taylor wasnt even a massive puncher at middle!!
I come from Guernsey and our island is built on the hardest Blue granite in the world, to say Carls chin compares absolutely disgusts me;D
Also, he didnt gain his composure straight away Calzaghe like.
He slumped to the floor, had a terrified look on his face and looked to McCracken for a clue then had to stay down a bit to tryt and get his head to clear, then Taylor stands off for the rest of the round.
Whereas good recouperative powers are Calzaghe getting up and stopping his opponent in the same round or making the round even by totally outworking the opponent;)
Just remember, it wasnt even a ranked supermiddle he was fighting that dropped him;D
The Ring Super Middleweight Ratings
yea i'm not so sold on the The Ring Rankings anymore, they have Manny Pacquiao ranked the #5 welterweight in the world for godsake
That's because he knocked out Oscar De La Hoya. If any other welterweight not ranked in the top 10 had knocked out Oscar De La Hoya like that they would likely make the top ten Ring rankings for the weight class. When you factor in that Manny is also the worlds best p4p fighter how could they rate him any lower?
Re: My take on Froch - Taylor...
I just watched it, Froch did pretty well, he's just more of a fighter than JT, simple as, more heart, more willing, along with better stamina, chin, ect. Still not blown away by his power but he hits harder than I thought.
Taylor should probably just give it up, he doesn't like his job, he's got so much nervous energy which is the reason for his appalling stamina and the stoppage was totally right, I got the impression it might have been somewhat questionable, hell no.
Watching this though makes you realize how good Calzaghe was at 168. He would have 12-0'ed both of these guys. But credit to Froch, he did what he had to do.
Re: My take on Froch - Taylor...
Good post Tam...
The one thing that has surprised me today is on the various forums I post on,just about everyone thought Froch would win all along;D
He is so underrated as a fighter it is embarassing,but maybe now after such an exciting end to the fight the doubters might just sit up and take notice and the overdue credit,he so rightly deserves might start to turn up.
Re: My take on Froch - Taylor...
Taylor will not win a title at super middle or middle again;D
Re: My take on Froch - Taylor...
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OumaFan
I just watched it, Froch did pretty well, he's just more of a fighter than JT, simple as, more heart, more willing, along with better stamina, chin, ect. Still not blown away by his power but he hits harder than I thought.
Taylor should probably just give it up, he doesn't like his job, he's got so much nervous energy which is the reason for his appalling stamina and the stoppage was totally right, I got the impression it might have been somewhat questionable, hell no.
Watching this though makes you realize how good Calzaghe was at 168. He would have 12-0'ed both of these guys. But credit to Froch, he did what he had to do.
Just becuase Taylor wilts in the championship rounds doesnt mean that Calzaghe would easily win the first 10.
Taylor is a sensational boxer and without those stamina issues, caused largely as you say by the nervous energy he brings to the ring he'd be unbeaten right now.
He'd give Calzaghe a very tough fight, he's never been 12-0'd by anybody.
