My take on Froch - Taylor...

[ElTerribleMorales]

Carl did take a lot of shots, but with his granite chin he got straight back into the fight and after the knockdown he gained his composure straight away

No, stop saying it!!!

He does not have a granite chin!!

Taylor wasnt even a massive puncher at middle!!

I come from Guernsey and our island is built on the hardest Blue granite in the world, to say Carls chin compares absolutely disgusts me

Also, he didnt gain his composure straight away Calzaghe like.

He slumped to the floor, had a terrified look on his face and looked to McCracken for a clue then had to stay down a bit to tryt and get his head to clear, then Taylor stands off for the rest of the round.

Whereas good recouperative powers are Calzaghe getting up and stopping his opponent in the same round or making the round even by totally outworking the opponent

Just remember, it wasnt even a ranked supermiddle he was fighting that dropped him

The Ring Super Middleweight Ratings

yea i'm not so sold on the The Ring Rankings anymore, they have Manny Pacquiao ranked the #5 welterweight in the world for godsake

[CFH]

No, stop saying it!!!

He does not have a granite chin!!

Taylor wasnt even a massive puncher at middle!!

I come from Guernsey and our island is built on the hardest Blue granite in the world, to say Carls chin compares absolutely disgusts me

Also, he didnt gain his composure straight away Calzaghe like.

He slumped to the floor, had a terrified look on his face and looked to McCracken for a clue then had to stay down a bit to tryt and get his head to clear, then Taylor stands off for the rest of the round.

Whereas good recouperative powers are Calzaghe getting up and stopping his opponent in the same round or making the round even by totally outworking the opponent

Just remember, it wasnt even a ranked supermiddle he was fighting that dropped him

The Ring Super Middleweight Ratings

yea i'm not so sold on the The Ring Rankings anymore, they have Manny Pacquiao ranked the #5 welterweight in the world for godsake

While I disagree with their ranking of Manny Pacquiao, the Ring Rankings are universally regarded as the best ranking system in boxing (well, 2nd to Saddo's ranking system of course).

Regardless, my point was not to spark a debate on the validity of the Ring Rankings, only to demonstrate that Ross is spouting bullshit again like usual.

[Kev]

No, stop saying it!!!

He does not have a granite chin!!

Taylor wasnt even a massive puncher at middle!!

I come from Guernsey and our island is built on the hardest Blue granite in the world, to say Carls chin compares absolutely disgusts me

Also, he didnt gain his composure straight away Calzaghe like.

He slumped to the floor, had a terrified look on his face and looked to McCracken for a clue then had to stay down a bit to tryt and get his head to clear, then Taylor stands off for the rest of the round.

Whereas good recouperative powers are Calzaghe getting up and stopping his opponent in the same round or making the round even by totally outworking the opponent

Just remember, it wasnt even a ranked supermiddle he was fighting that dropped him

The Ring Super Middleweight Ratings

yea i'm not so sold on the The Ring Rankings anymore, they have Manny Pacquiao ranked the #5 welterweight in the world for godsake

That's because he knocked out Oscar De La Hoya. If any other welterweight not ranked in the top 10 had knocked out Oscar De La Hoya like that they would likely make the top ten Ring rankings for the weight class. When you factor in that Manny is also the worlds best p4p fighter how could they rate him any lower?

[OumaFan]

I just watched it, Froch did pretty well, he's just more of a fighter than JT, simple as, more heart, more willing, along with better stamina, chin, ect. Still not blown away by his power but he hits harder than I thought.

Taylor should probably just give it up, he doesn't like his job, he's got so much nervous energy which is the reason for his appalling stamina and the stoppage was totally right, I got the impression it might have been somewhat questionable, hell no.

Watching this though makes you realize how good Calzaghe was at 168. He would have 12-0'ed both of these guys. But credit to Froch, he did what he had to do.

[Kev]

I just watched it, Froch did pretty well, he's just more of a fighter than JT, simple as, more heart, more willing, along with better stamina, chin, ect. Still not blown away by his power but he hits harder than I thought.

Taylor should probably just give it up, he doesn't like his job, he's got so much nervous energy which is the reason for his appalling stamina and the stoppage was totally right, I got the impression it might have been somewhat questionable, hell no.

Watching this though makes you realize how good Calzaghe was at 168. He would have 12-0'ed both of these guys. But credit to Froch, he did what he had to do.

Just becuase Taylor wilts in the championship rounds doesnt mean that Calzaghe would easily win the first 10.

Taylor is a sensational boxer and without those stamina issues, caused largely as you say by the nervous energy he brings to the ring he'd be unbeaten right now.

He'd give Calzaghe a very tough fight, he's never been 12-0'd by anybody.

[OumaFan]

He might win a round or two. Calzaghe would be all wrong for him, he wouldn't be able to keep up. Hopkins even though he's a level above Taylor was a better matchup.

Nah he wouldn't win two rounds.

And he didn't lose so much to Pavlik the first time because of stamina. Outside of the second round Pavlik was winning the fight and I wouldn't say he was dead gassed in that seventh round. His stamina obviously didn't help him but it wasn't like the 12th last night, that reminded me a lot of Bute-Andrade.

[Tam Seddon]

I think Taylor has lost his desire for the sport, he even said in the interview that he had the money after the b hop wins and lost his focus. Maybe that was his prime, and he can never repeat that again. I think hes a superb fighter, but as I have said ever since the start he would have lost to Froch. Sustained pressure is something he couldnt take as proved in the Pavlik fight and Froch is similar in that respect. It's a great shame for him, but as I said before when the mid rounds had gone he was in the deep water and he couldnt keep Carl away from him. Great, great fight though!

[Kev]

I think Taylor has lost his desire for the sport, he even said in the interview that he had the money after the b hop wins and lost his focus. Maybe that was his prime, and he can never repeat that again. I think hes a superb fighter, but as I have said ever since the start he would have lost to Froch. Sustained pressure is something he couldnt take as proved in the Pavlik fight and Froch is similar in that respect. It's a great shame for him, but as I said before when the mid rounds had gone he was in the deep water and he couldnt keep Carl away from him. Great, great fight though!

I still think he'll come back, that was honestly the most aggressive and bad intentioned I'd ever seen Jermain. Its sad really that the only two times he has looked truly outstanding to me he got knocked out both times.

[Violent Demise]

Carl should thank God that Taylor is only a 10 round fighter and not 12. Taylor's weakness saved Carl from being a laughingstock. And all of you mthuafukkas know it. Carl gets the win on his record. Taylor should get an assist. He gave the fight away. Whoever had this fight even going into the last round can't score for shiit or is just a massive groupie.

This fight pretty much convinced me I was right about Carl. He's not close to being an elite fighter. And he sure as hell isn't the wrecking machine some of you guys were making him out to be. Where was the muderous power? The granite chin? I knew his defense was going to be poor coming in. But even I was shocked at how bad it really was. He's a sucker for a right hand. Taylor couldn't miss. Another thing I didn't see was the great offensive arsenal he was said to have. There was no arsenal. He was so predictable. Taylor blocked most of his punches till he started to tire. Carl is an average fighter. With average skills. But he does have heart. He ain't no punk. I will give him that. I didn't think he was going to get up in the 3rd. Not cuz I thought he was that hurt. But cuz he was being outclassed so badly I thought he would just say "fukk it" and quit. But he didn't. He got up and continue to press forward. He deserves credit for that. I have no doubt he has bigger balls (I'm sure Tam Seddon can confirm) than Calzaghe and Kessler have. With that being said i think both beat him. As would Bute and Andrade.

[mofo2]

Good post Tam...

The one thing that has surprised me today is on the various forums I post on,just about everyone thought Froch would win all along

He is so underrated as a fighter it is embarassing,but maybe now after such an exciting end to the fight the doubters might just sit up and take notice and the overdue credit,he so rightly deserves might start to turn up.

[ross]

Taylor will not win a title at super middle or middle again