Lyle's, Pick'em Hypothetical Fights
OK guys, I have done any number of hypothetical fight threads but this one imparticular is me trying my damnedest to make the seemingly most even matchups you could ever have....alright here I go.
Tommy Hearns-Shane Mosely 147- Sure Tommy has all the tools to beat Shane Mosley, height, size, power, strength, but Shane in return has all the tools to beat Tommy, a chin, stamina, power, fast flurries of punches.
Salvador Sanchez-Julio Cesar Chavez 130/135- OK Sanchez is a bit of a myth as we now know him, but he was GREAT, powerful, great workrate, but he was also everything Julio Cesar Chavez was as well.
Mike Tyson-Riddick Bowe- OK in his Prime Tyson could handle ANYONE, and while he did have SOME trouble with guys like Tony Tucker he still won. Riddick Bowe had the size and the skill set to easily beat Tyson but was he mentally tough enough to fight a perfect fight because if you as the taller man, give up the inside to Tyson you are DONE.
Roberto Duran-Alexis Arguello 135- Two big powerful and skilled fighters, both with no quit in them (at least at 135 for Duran). Duran was THE GREATEST at 135, but Arguello was one tough cookie.
That's all I can think of for now, but I will have more later on.
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OK guys, I have done any number of hypothetical fight threads but this one imparticular is me trying my damnedest to make the seemingly most even matchups you could ever have....alright here I go.
Tommy Hearns-Shane Mosely 147- Sure Tommy has all the tools to beat Shane Mosley, height, size, power, strength, but Shane in return has all the tools to beat Tommy, a chin, stamina, power, fast flurries of punches.
Salvador Sanchez-Julio Cesar Chavez 130/135- OK Sanchez is a bit of a myth as we now know him, but he was GREAT, powerful, great workrate, but he was also everything Julio Cesar Chavez was as well.
Mike Tyson-Riddick Bowe- OK in his Prime Tyson could handle ANYONE, and while he did have SOME trouble with guys like Tony Tucker he still won. Riddick Bowe had the size and the skill set to easily beat Tyson but was he mentally tough enough to fight a perfect fight because if you as the taller man, give up the inside to Tyson you are DONE.
Roberto Duran-Alexis Arguello 135- Two big powerful and skilled fighters, both with no quit in them (at least at 135 for Duran). Duran was THE GREATEST at 135, but Arguello was one tough cookie.
That's all I can think of for now, but I will have more later on.
I think Hearns uses his jab & sticks it in Mosley's face to carry himself to a close decision. I don't think he KO's him, but Mosley is not a great defensive fighter & I think he gets caught a bit too much. The one advantage Mosley does really have is his footspeed helping him get inside of Hearns, but I suspect Hearns just ties him up enough over a 12 rounder to take the decision.
I rate Sanchez as the better fighter & by some way, but we don't really know how he would do against a guy who's naturally quite a bit bigger. I'll be honest, it goes either way, I could very easily see Sanchez outboxing him, but I suspect he lets himself get into the trenches at some point & it all comes down to whether Chavez can KO him late.
I don't know who wins this one, Bowe has all the ingredients, but like you I suspect that if Tyson gets on the inside its over. I'm going to go with Tyson with a mid-fight TKO, maybe not putting him out, but doing enough that the ref steps in. I just feel Bowe had a tendency to want to go to places he shouldn't.
I can't choose between Arguello & Duran, my head says Duran proves too strong & tough in the way Pryor did in the end, but then my heart tells me that if Arguello could just outbox him & keep him on the end of those long arms he could take a decision. But I really can't go one way or the other on this one
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I think Hearns can get a split decision if he keeps his distance and uses his far superior physical tools, for sure he would be tested by Shane's power if he decides to get into the trenches with him.
I take Chavez by late round stoppage based on the old saying that the bigger great fighter would beat the great little fighter and Sanchez made his legend at featherweight while JCC made his at 130, 135, and 140.
Depends on which Tyson it is, is this the one with Kevin Rooney or is this the one post Spinks but pre-prison where he had a bunch of bum trainers? Tyson with Rooney I go with late round stoppage he would fight a war of attrition, he would have been able to get inside at some point, with Pre-prison Tyson but with other trainers I see Bowe taking out Tyson in the mid rounds while utilizing his physical advantages to keep Tyson at bay.
I take Duran over Arguello, imo no one but maybe a Whittaker could take him at lw. Arguello likes to trade too much and that would be playing into Duran's advantages. Mid round ko.
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imo i think Mosley/Hearns would have been a see/saw fight with Mosley eventually stopping him late
Chavez/Sanchez, just think Morales/Barrera only more violent with Sanchez probably stopping Chavez in the 13th by cuts or swelling
Bowe is just too big and had too good of a chin, although Tyson would of had his moments i think Bowe would stop him with a huge right hand close to the end of the fight
and Arguello/Duran, it's the toughest of the bunch, i think Arguello would use his long arms and reach to his advantage and land that big sharp right throughout the night, and eventually win a 15 rnd split decision over Duran after a back and forth action fight
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My picks.
Tommy Hearns-Shane Mosely 147- Hearns
Salvador Sanchez-Julio Cesar Chavez 130/135- Sanchez
Mike Tyson-Riddick Bowe- Bowe
Roberto Duran-Alexis Arguello 135- Arguello
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OK guys, I have done any number of hypothetical fight threads but this one imparticular is me trying my damnedest to make the seemingly most even matchups you could ever have....alright here I go.
Tommy Hearns-Shane Mosely 147- Sure Tommy has all the tools to beat Shane Mosley, height, size, power, strength, but Shane in return has all the tools to beat Tommy, a chin, stamina, power, fast flurries of punches.
Salvador Sanchez-Julio Cesar Chavez 130/135- OK Sanchez is a bit of a myth as we now know him, but he was GREAT, powerful, great workrate, but he was also everything Julio Cesar Chavez was as well.
Mike Tyson-Riddick Bowe- OK in his Prime Tyson could handle ANYONE, and while he did have SOME trouble with guys like Tony Tucker he still won. Riddick Bowe had the size and the skill set to easily beat Tyson but was he mentally tough enough to fight a perfect fight because if you as the taller man, give up the inside to Tyson you are DONE.
Roberto Duran-Alexis Arguello 135- Two big powerful and skilled fighters, both with no quit in them (at least at 135 for Duran). Duran was THE GREATEST at 135, but Arguello was one tough cookie.
That's all I can think of for now, but I will have more later on.
Tommy Hearns v Shane Mosley - both top fighters but if Mosley gets floored by Vern Forrest , and struggles with Oscar's jab , then the HITMAN knocks him out inside 4 rounds for me.
Hearns KO4
Sanchez v JC Chavez - both amazing fighters but over 15 rounds i give it to Sanchez , as he is slightly more adaptable as a fighter than Chavez.
Sanchez split points 15
Bowe v Tyson - Bowes chin lets him down in this one , Tyson chops him down inside 2 rounds.
Tyson TKO 2
Duran v Arguello - An interesting fight indeed , but i would lean towards Duran to score a TKO in about round 12-13.
Duran TKO 13.
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OK guys, I have done any number of hypothetical fight threads but this one imparticular is me trying my damnedest to make the seemingly most even matchups you could ever have....alright here I go.
Tommy Hearns-Shane Mosely 147- Sure Tommy has all the tools to beat Shane Mosley, height, size, power, strength, but Shane in return has all the tools to beat Tommy, a chin, stamina, power, fast flurries of punches.
Salvador Sanchez-Julio Cesar Chavez 130/135- OK Sanchez is a bit of a myth as we now know him, but he was GREAT, powerful, great workrate, but he was also everything Julio Cesar Chavez was as well.
Mike Tyson-Riddick Bowe- OK in his Prime Tyson could handle ANYONE, and while he did have SOME trouble with guys like Tony Tucker he still won. Riddick Bowe had the size and the skill set to easily beat Tyson but was he mentally tough enough to fight a perfect fight because if you as the taller man, give up the inside to Tyson you are DONE.
Roberto Duran-Alexis Arguello 135- Two big powerful and skilled fighters, both with no quit in them (at least at 135 for Duran). Duran was THE GREATEST at 135, but Arguello was one tough cookie.
That's all I can think of for now, but I will have more later on.
Tommy Hearns v Shane Mosley - both top fighters but if Mosley gets floored by Vern Forrest , and struggles with Oscar's jab , then the HITMAN knocks him out inside 4 rounds for me.
Hearns KO4
Sanchez v JC Chavez - both amazing fighters but over 15 rounds i give it to Sanchez , as he is slightly more adaptable as a fighter than Chavez.
Sanchez split points 15
Bowe v Tyson - Bowes chin lets him down in this one , Tyson chops him down inside 2 rounds.
Tyson TKO 2
Duran v Arguello - An interesting fight indeed , but i would lean towards Duran to score a TKO in about round 12-13.
Duran TKO 13.
(1) Shane suffered a concussion from the headbutt sustained moments before he was caught with a nice right hand by vernon, and still managed to avoid being stopped. Only been down once in his career, only seriously hurt that one time as well against 50 pro fights with a who's who's of his generation. NEVER BEEN STOPPED.
Hearns stopped by barkley,SRL, and hagler. Knocked down a hand full of times. Yet somehow he would manage to stop SHANE??????
At 147 Shane puts hearns to sleep late by crowding and over powering him all night. That's the not even prime shane. The shane that fought Oscar in the first fight would destroy any version of hearns.
(2) Bowe who has never been stopped, out fought evander twice. (which probably shortened his career) against tyson who only came to fight when he knew his opponent was beaten before the fight. He lost to everyone from his generation. KO'ed in his prime against douglass. Probably the most overrated heavy of all time. Would lose a UD to Bowe.
as far as the others..
I take JCC over sanchez
and duran over arguello...Alexis didn't have the pop to keep duran off of him and would have been stopped late.
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Lyle
OK guys, I have done any number of hypothetical fight threads but this one imparticular is me trying my damnedest to make the seemingly most even matchups you could ever have....alright here I go.
Tommy Hearns-Shane Mosely 147- Sure Tommy has all the tools to beat Shane Mosley, height, size, power, strength, but Shane in return has all the tools to beat Tommy, a chin, stamina, power, fast flurries of punches.
Salvador Sanchez-Julio Cesar Chavez 130/135- OK Sanchez is a bit of a myth as we now know him, but he was GREAT, powerful, great workrate, but he was also everything Julio Cesar Chavez was as well.
Mike Tyson-Riddick Bowe- OK in his Prime Tyson could handle ANYONE, and while he did have SOME trouble with guys like Tony Tucker he still won. Riddick Bowe had the size and the skill set to easily beat Tyson but was he mentally tough enough to fight a perfect fight because if you as the taller man, give up the inside to Tyson you are DONE.
Roberto Duran-Alexis Arguello 135- Two big powerful and skilled fighters, both with no quit in them (at least at 135 for Duran). Duran was THE GREATEST at 135, but Arguello was one tough cookie.
That's all I can think of for now, but I will have more later on.
Tommy Hearns v Shane Mosley - both top fighters but if Mosley gets floored by Vern Forrest , and struggles with Oscar's jab , then the HITMAN knocks him out inside 4 rounds for me.
Hearns KO4
Sanchez v JC Chavez - both amazing fighters but over 15 rounds i give it to Sanchez , as he is slightly more adaptable as a fighter than Chavez.
Sanchez split points 15
Bowe v Tyson - Bowes chin lets him down in this one , Tyson chops him down inside 2 rounds.
Tyson TKO 2
Duran v Arguello - An interesting fight indeed , but i would lean towards Duran to score a TKO in about round 12-13.
Duran TKO 13.
(1) Shane suffered a concussion from the headbutt sustained moments before he was caught with a nice right hand by vernon, and still managed to avoid being stopped. Only been down once in his career, only seriously hurt that one time as well against 50 pro fights with a who's who's of his generation. NEVER BEEN STOPPED.
Hearns stopped by barkley,SRL, and hagler. Knocked down a hand full of times. Yet somehow he would manage to stop SHANE??????
At 147 Shane puts hearns to sleep late by crowding and over powering him all night. That's the not even prime shane. The shane that fought Oscar in the first fight would destroy any version of hearns.
(2) Bowe who has never been stopped, out fought evander twice. (which probably shortened his career) against tyson who only came to fight when he knew his opponent was beaten before the fight. He lost to everyone from his generation. KO'ed in his prime against douglass. Probably the most overrated heavy of all time. Would lose a UD to Bowe.
as far as the others..
I take JCC over sanchez
and duran over arguello...Alexis didn't have the pop to keep duran off of him and would have been stopped late.
Tommy Hearns only lost 1 time at WW , and it was after running out of gas against SRL , my opinion is Tommy blows Shane away , for the record i am also a fan of Shane and think he is a top fighter and man.
If my opinion offends you then I'm very sorry Mrs Mosley. :fyou:
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Hearns-Mosley - think tommys power would frighten off sugar enough to earn him a points win (ala:cotto-mosley)
Sanchez-JCC - havent seen enough sanchez fights to comment
Tyson-Bowe - prime mike would of just walked through bowe and taken him out within 3 brutal rounds. Tyson loved fighting taller guys as it just gave him more to aim at and it often ended in either a tyson overhand or an uppercut from a clinch. Bowe wouldnt stand a chance
Duran-Arguello - Alexis at 135 was an animal and often saw off front foot fighters like duran. But roberto would probably of got him in the later rounds especially if it was a 15er
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Tommy Hearns v Shane Mosley - both top fighters but if Mosley gets floored by Vern Forrest , and struggles with Oscar's jab , then the HITMAN knocks him out inside 4 rounds for me.
Hearns KO4
Sanchez v JC Chavez - both amazing fighters but over 15 rounds i give it to Sanchez , as he is slightly more adaptable as a fighter than Chavez.
Sanchez split points 15
Bowe v Tyson - Bowes chin lets him down in this one , Tyson chops him down inside 2 rounds.
Tyson TKO 2
Duran v Arguello - An interesting fight indeed , but i would lean towards Duran to score a TKO in about round 12-13.
Duran TKO 13.
(1) Shane suffered a concussion from the headbutt sustained moments before he was caught with a nice right hand by vernon, and still managed to avoid being stopped. Only been down once in his career, only seriously hurt that one time as well against 50 pro fights with a who's who's of his generation. NEVER BEEN STOPPED.
Hearns stopped by barkley,SRL, and hagler. Knocked down a hand full of times. Yet somehow he would manage to stop SHANE??????
At 147 Shane puts hearns to sleep late by crowding and over powering him all night. That's the not even prime shane. The shane that fought Oscar in the first fight would destroy any version of hearns.
(2) Bowe who has never been stopped, out fought evander twice. (which probably shortened his career) against tyson who only came to fight when he knew his opponent was beaten before the fight. He lost to everyone from his generation. KO'ed in his prime against douglass. Probably the most overrated heavy of all time. Would lose a UD to Bowe.
as far as the others..
I take JCC over sanchez
and duran over arguello...Alexis didn't have the pop to keep duran off of him and would have been stopped late.
Tommy Hearns only lost 1 time at WW , and it was after running out of gas against SRL , my opinion is Tommy blows Shane away , for the record i am also a fan of Shane and think he is a top fighter and man.
If my opinion offends you then I'm very sorry
Mrs Mosley. :fyou:
It's a good thing you said "IF", because its obvious that my opinion offended you. You little sensitive bitch.
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(1) Shane suffered a concussion from the headbutt sustained moments before he was caught with a nice right hand by vernon, and still managed to avoid being stopped. Only been down once in his career, only seriously hurt that one time as well against 50 pro fights with a who's who's of his generation. NEVER BEEN STOPPED.
Hearns stopped by barkley,SRL, and hagler. Knocked down a hand full of times. Yet somehow he would manage to stop SHANE??????
At 147 Shane puts hearns to sleep late by crowding and over powering him all night. That's the not even prime shane. The shane that fought Oscar in the first fight would destroy any version of hearns.
(2) Bowe who has never been stopped, out fought evander twice. (which probably shortened his career) against tyson who only came to fight when he knew his opponent was beaten before the fight. He lost to everyone from his generation. KO'ed in his prime against douglass. Probably the most overrated heavy of all time. Would lose a UD to Bowe.
as far as the others..
I take JCC over sanchez
and duran over arguello...Alexis didn't have the pop to keep duran off of him and would have been stopped late.
Tommy Hearns only lost 1 time at WW , and it was after running out of gas against SRL , my opinion is Tommy blows Shane away , for the record i am also a fan of Shane and think he is a top fighter and man.
If my opinion offends you then I'm very sorry
Mrs Mosley. :fyou:
It's a good thing you said "IF", because its obvious that my opinion offended you. You little sensitive bitch.[/quote]
" Bitch " is an uncommon use of the English Language to decribe a male .
I live in England but am always interested in the way others use "English"
Is the word " bitch " only used on the trailer park / projects you live in ? or does it have a relevance to "the Oxford English Dictionary " ?
Also I'm glad i did use the word "IF " , because I'm sure the consequences of your retribution would have had a devastating affect , a bit like maybe Tommy Hearns right hand exploding on Shane's jaw ? .
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Tommy Hearns only lost 1 time at WW , and it was after running out of gas against SRL , my opinion is Tommy blows Shane away , for the record i am also a fan of Shane and think he is a top fighter and man.
If my opinion offends you then I'm very sorry Mrs Mosley. :fyou:
It's a good thing you said "IF", because its obvious that my opinion offended you. You little sensitive
bitch.[/quote]
" Bitch " is an uncommon use of the English Language to decribe a male .
I live in England but am always interested in the way others use "English"
Is the word " bitch " only used on the trailer park / projects you live in ? or does it have a relevance to "the Oxford English Dictionary " ?
Also I'm glad i did use the word "IF " , because I'm sure the consequences of your retribution would have had a devastating affect , a bit like maybe Tommy Hearns right hand exploding on Shane's jaw ? .
You're right it is an uncommon adjective for a man as its mostly reserved men with perhaps too much estrogen in their blood. Such as yourself. Trailer/park projects...that's original.
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OK guys, I have done any number of hypothetical fight threads but this one imparticular is me trying my damnedest to make the seemingly most even matchups you could ever have....alright here I go.
Tommy Hearns-Shane Mosely 147- Sure Tommy has all the tools to beat Shane Mosley, height, size, power, strength, but Shane in return has all the tools to beat Tommy, a chin, stamina, power, fast flurries of punches.
Salvador Sanchez-Julio Cesar Chavez 130/135- OK Sanchez is a bit of a myth as we now know him, but he was GREAT, powerful, great workrate, but he was also everything Julio Cesar Chavez was as well.
Mike Tyson-Riddick Bowe- OK in his Prime Tyson could handle ANYONE, and while he did have SOME trouble with guys like Tony Tucker he still won. Riddick Bowe had the size and the skill set to easily beat Tyson but was he mentally tough enough to fight a perfect fight because if you as the taller man, give up the inside to Tyson you are DONE.
Roberto Duran-Alexis Arguello 135- Two big powerful and skilled fighters, both with no quit in them (at least at 135 for Duran). Duran was THE GREATEST at 135, but Arguello was one tough cookie.
That's all I can think of for now, but I will have more later on.
I think Hearns uses his jab & sticks it in Mosley's face to carry himself to a close decision. I don't think he KO's him, but Mosley is not a great defensive fighter & I think he gets caught a bit too much. The one advantage Mosley does really have is his footspeed helping him get inside of Hearns, but I suspect Hearns just ties him up enough over a 12 rounder to take the decision.
I rate Sanchez as the better fighter & by some way, but we don't really know how he would do against a guy who's naturally quite a bit bigger. I'll be honest, it goes either way, I could very easily see Sanchez outboxing him, but I suspect he lets himself get into the trenches at some point & it all comes down to whether Chavez can KO him late.
I don't know who wins this one, Bowe has all the ingredients, but like you I suspect that if Tyson gets on the inside its over. I'm going to go with Tyson with a mid-fight TKO, maybe not putting him out, but doing enough that the ref steps in. I just feel Bowe had a tendency to want to go to places he shouldn't.
I can't choose between Arguello & Duran, my head says Duran proves too strong & tough in the way Pryor did in the end, but then my heart tells me that if Arguello could just outbox him & keep him on the end of those long arms he could take a decision. But I really can't go one way or the other on this one
Riddick Bowe was the Greg Page of the 1990s. A fat boy with a lot of talent and no dedication. Tyson by KO in 2.
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OK guys, I have done any number of hypothetical fight threads but this one imparticular is me trying my damnedest to make the seemingly most even matchups you could ever have....alright here I go.
Tommy Hearns-Shane Mosely 147- Sure Tommy has all the tools to beat Shane Mosley, height, size, power, strength, but Shane in return has all the tools to beat Tommy, a chin, stamina, power, fast flurries of punches.
Salvador Sanchez-Julio Cesar Chavez 130/135- OK Sanchez is a bit of a myth as we now know him, but he was GREAT, powerful, great workrate, but he was also everything Julio Cesar Chavez was as well.
Mike Tyson-Riddick Bowe- OK in his Prime Tyson could handle ANYONE, and while he did have SOME trouble with guys like Tony Tucker he still won. Riddick Bowe had the size and the skill set to easily beat Tyson but was he mentally tough enough to fight a perfect fight because if you as the taller man, give up the inside to Tyson you are DONE.
Roberto Duran-Alexis Arguello 135- Two big powerful and skilled fighters, both with no quit in them (at least at 135 for Duran). Duran was THE GREATEST at 135, but Arguello was one tough cookie.
That's all I can think of for now, but I will have more later on.
I think Hearns uses his jab & sticks it in Mosley's face to carry himself to a close decision. I don't think he KO's him, but Mosley is not a great defensive fighter & I think he gets caught a bit too much. The one advantage Mosley does really have is his footspeed helping him get inside of Hearns, but I suspect Hearns just ties him up enough over a 12 rounder to take the decision.
I rate Sanchez as the better fighter & by some way, but we don't really know how he would do against a guy who's naturally quite a bit bigger. I'll be honest, it goes either way, I could very easily see Sanchez outboxing him, but I suspect he lets himself get into the trenches at some point & it all comes down to whether Chavez can KO him late.
I don't know who wins this one, Bowe has all the ingredients, but like you I suspect that if Tyson gets on the inside its over. I'm going to go with Tyson with a mid-fight TKO, maybe not putting him out, but doing enough that the ref steps in. I just feel Bowe had a tendency to want to go to places he shouldn't.
I can't choose between Arguello & Duran, my head says Duran proves too strong & tough in the way Pryor did in the end, but then my heart tells me that if Arguello could just outbox him & keep him on the end of those long arms he could take a decision. But I really can't go one way or the other on this one
Riddick Bowe was the Greg Page of the 1990s. A fat boy with a lot of talent and no dedication. Tyson by KO in 2.
Bowe was a lot more than that, he didn't live up to his FULL potential but well the same can be said about Tyson, who was pretty much a beaten fighter after the 4th if the fight was competitive
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hearns stop`s mosley around the tenth
chavez gets ud over sanchez close but clear
tyson scores a late stoppage over bowe around the 11th
duran draws arguello into a war and wins ud
