Lyle's, Pick'em Hypothetical Fights

[JonesJrMayweather]

OK guys, I have done any number of hypothetical fight threads but this one imparticular is me trying my damnedest to make the seemingly most even matchups you could ever have....alright here I go.

Tommy Hearns-Shane Mosely 147- Sure Tommy has all the tools to beat Shane Mosley, height, size, power, strength, but Shane in return has all the tools to beat Tommy, a chin, stamina, power, fast flurries of punches.

Salvador Sanchez-Julio Cesar Chavez 130/135- OK Sanchez is a bit of a myth as we now know him, but he was GREAT, powerful, great workrate, but he was also everything Julio Cesar Chavez was as well.

Mike Tyson-Riddick Bowe- OK in his Prime Tyson could handle ANYONE, and while he did have SOME trouble with guys like Tony Tucker he still won. Riddick Bowe had the size and the skill set to easily beat Tyson but was he mentally tough enough to fight a perfect fight because if you as the taller man, give up the inside to Tyson you are DONE.

Roberto Duran-Alexis Arguello 135- Two big powerful and skilled fighters, both with no quit in them (at least at 135 for Duran). Duran was THE GREATEST at 135, but Arguello was one tough cookie.

That's all I can think of for now, but I will have more later on.

Tommy Hearns v Shane Mosley - both top fighters but if Mosley gets floored by Vern Forrest , and struggles with Oscar's jab , then the HITMAN knocks him out inside 4 rounds for me.
Hearns KO4

Sanchez v JC Chavez - both amazing fighters but over 15 rounds i give it to Sanchez , as he is slightly more adaptable as a fighter than Chavez.
Sanchez split points 15

Bowe v Tyson - Bowes chin lets him down in this one , Tyson chops him down inside 2 rounds.
Tyson TKO 2

Duran v Arguello - An interesting fight indeed , but i would lean towards Duran to score a TKO in about round 12-13.
Duran TKO 13.

(1) Shane suffered a concussion from the headbutt sustained moments before he was caught with a nice right hand by vernon, and still managed to avoid being stopped. Only been down once in his career, only seriously hurt that one time as well against 50 pro fights with a who's who's of his generation. NEVER BEEN STOPPED.

Hearns stopped by barkley,SRL, and hagler. Knocked down a hand full of times. Yet somehow he would manage to stop SHANE

At 147 Shane puts hearns to sleep late by crowding and over powering him all night. That's the not even prime shane. The shane that fought Oscar in the first fight would destroy any version of hearns.

(2) Bowe who has never been stopped, out fought evander twice. (which probably shortened his career) against tyson who only came to fight when he knew his opponent was beaten before the fight. He lost to everyone from his generation. KO'ed in his prime against douglass. Probably the most overrated heavy of all time. Would lose a UD to Bowe.

as far as the others..

I take JCC over sanchez

and duran over arguello...Alexis didn't have the pop to keep duran off of him and would have been stopped late.

[Dark Lord Al]

OK guys, I have done any number of hypothetical fight threads but this one imparticular is me trying my damnedest to make the seemingly most even matchups you could ever have....alright here I go.

Tommy Hearns-Shane Mosely 147- Sure Tommy has all the tools to beat Shane Mosley, height, size, power, strength, but Shane in return has all the tools to beat Tommy, a chin, stamina, power, fast flurries of punches.

Salvador Sanchez-Julio Cesar Chavez 130/135- OK Sanchez is a bit of a myth as we now know him, but he was GREAT, powerful, great workrate, but he was also everything Julio Cesar Chavez was as well.

Mike Tyson-Riddick Bowe- OK in his Prime Tyson could handle ANYONE, and while he did have SOME trouble with guys like Tony Tucker he still won. Riddick Bowe had the size and the skill set to easily beat Tyson but was he mentally tough enough to fight a perfect fight because if you as the taller man, give up the inside to Tyson you are DONE.

Roberto Duran-Alexis Arguello 135- Two big powerful and skilled fighters, both with no quit in them (at least at 135 for Duran). Duran was THE GREATEST at 135, but Arguello was one tough cookie.

That's all I can think of for now, but I will have more later on.

Tommy Hearns v Shane Mosley - both top fighters but if Mosley gets floored by Vern Forrest , and struggles with Oscar's jab , then the HITMAN knocks him out inside 4 rounds for me.
Hearns KO4

Sanchez v JC Chavez - both amazing fighters but over 15 rounds i give it to Sanchez , as he is slightly more adaptable as a fighter than Chavez.
Sanchez split points 15

Bowe v Tyson - Bowes chin lets him down in this one , Tyson chops him down inside 2 rounds.
Tyson TKO 2

Duran v Arguello - An interesting fight indeed , but i would lean towards Duran to score a TKO in about round 12-13.
Duran TKO 13.

(1) Shane suffered a concussion from the headbutt sustained moments before he was caught with a nice right hand by vernon, and still managed to avoid being stopped. Only been down once in his career, only seriously hurt that one time as well against 50 pro fights with a who's who's of his generation. NEVER BEEN STOPPED.

Hearns stopped by barkley,SRL, and hagler. Knocked down a hand full of times. Yet somehow he would manage to stop SHANE

At 147 Shane puts hearns to sleep late by crowding and over powering him all night. That's the not even prime shane. The shane that fought Oscar in the first fight would destroy any version of hearns.

(2) Bowe who has never been stopped, out fought evander twice. (which probably shortened his career) against tyson who only came to fight when he knew his opponent was beaten before the fight. He lost to everyone from his generation. KO'ed in his prime against douglass. Probably the most overrated heavy of all time. Would lose a UD to Bowe.

as far as the others..

I take JCC over sanchez

and duran over arguello...Alexis didn't have the pop to keep duran off of him and would have been stopped late.

Tommy Hearns only lost 1 time at WW , and it was after running out of gas against SRL , my opinion is Tommy blows Shane away , for the record i am also a fan of Shane and think he is a top fighter and man.
If my opinion offends you then I'm very sorry Mrs Mosley.

[HattonTheHammer]

Hearns-Mosley - think tommys power would frighten off sugar enough to earn him a points win (ala:cotto-mosley)

Sanchez-JCC - havent seen enough sanchez fights to comment

Tyson-Bowe - prime mike would of just walked through bowe and taken him out within 3 brutal rounds. Tyson loved fighting taller guys as it just gave him more to aim at and it often ended in either a tyson overhand or an uppercut from a clinch. Bowe wouldnt stand a chance

Duran-Arguello - Alexis at 135 was an animal and often saw off front foot fighters like duran. But roberto would probably of got him in the later rounds especially if it was a 15er

[JonesJrMayweather]

Tommy Hearns v Shane Mosley - both top fighters but if Mosley gets floored by Vern Forrest , and struggles with Oscar's jab , then the HITMAN knocks him out inside 4 rounds for me.
Hearns KO4

Sanchez v JC Chavez - both amazing fighters but over 15 rounds i give it to Sanchez , as he is slightly more adaptable as a fighter than Chavez.
Sanchez split points 15

Bowe v Tyson - Bowes chin lets him down in this one , Tyson chops him down inside 2 rounds.
Tyson TKO 2

Duran v Arguello - An interesting fight indeed , but i would lean towards Duran to score a TKO in about round 12-13.
Duran TKO 13.

(1) Shane suffered a concussion from the headbutt sustained moments before he was caught with a nice right hand by vernon, and still managed to avoid being stopped. Only been down once in his career, only seriously hurt that one time as well against 50 pro fights with a who's who's of his generation. NEVER BEEN STOPPED.

Hearns stopped by barkley,SRL, and hagler. Knocked down a hand full of times. Yet somehow he would manage to stop SHANE

At 147 Shane puts hearns to sleep late by crowding and over powering him all night. That's the not even prime shane. The shane that fought Oscar in the first fight would destroy any version of hearns.

(2) Bowe who has never been stopped, out fought evander twice. (which probably shortened his career) against tyson who only came to fight when he knew his opponent was beaten before the fight. He lost to everyone from his generation. KO'ed in his prime against douglass. Probably the most overrated heavy of all time. Would lose a UD to Bowe.

as far as the others..

I take JCC over sanchez

and duran over arguello...Alexis didn't have the pop to keep duran off of him and would have been stopped late.

Tommy Hearns only lost 1 time at WW , and it was after running out of gas against SRL , my opinion is Tommy blows Shane away , for the record i am also a fan of Shane and think he is a top fighter and man.
If my opinion offends you then I'm very sorry Mrs Mosley.

It's a good thing you said "IF", because its obvious that my opinion offended you. You little sensitive bitch.

[Dark Lord Al]

[quote=JonesJrMayweather;766410]

(1) Shane suffered a concussion from the headbutt sustained moments before he was caught with a nice right hand by vernon, and still managed to avoid being stopped. Only been down once in his career, only seriously hurt that one time as well against 50 pro fights with a who's who's of his generation. NEVER BEEN STOPPED.

Hearns stopped by barkley,SRL, and hagler. Knocked down a hand full of times. Yet somehow he would manage to stop SHANE

At 147 Shane puts hearns to sleep late by crowding and over powering him all night. That's the not even prime shane. The shane that fought Oscar in the first fight would destroy any version of hearns.

(2) Bowe who has never been stopped, out fought evander twice. (which probably shortened his career) against tyson who only came to fight when he knew his opponent was beaten before the fight. He lost to everyone from his generation. KO'ed in his prime against douglass. Probably the most overrated heavy of all time. Would lose a UD to Bowe.

as far as the others..

I take JCC over sanchez

and duran over arguello...Alexis didn't have the pop to keep duran off of him and would have been stopped late.

Tommy Hearns only lost 1 time at WW , and it was after running out of gas against SRL , my opinion is Tommy blows Shane away , for the record i am also a fan of Shane and think he is a top fighter and man.
If my opinion offends you then I'm very sorry Mrs Mosley.

It's a good thing you said "IF", because its obvious that my opinion offended you. You little sensitive bitch.[/quote]

" Bitch " is an uncommon use of the English Language to decribe a male .
I live in England but am always interested in the way others use "English"
Is the word " bitch " only used on the trailer park / projects you live in ? or does it have a relevance to "the Oxford English Dictionary " ?
Also I'm glad i did use the word "IF " , because I'm sure the consequences of your retribution would have had a devastating affect , a bit like maybe Tommy Hearns right hand exploding on Shane's jaw ? .

[JonesJrMayweather]

[quote=Dark Lord Al;766420]

Tommy Hearns only lost 1 time at WW , and it was after running out of gas against SRL , my opinion is Tommy blows Shane away , for the record i am also a fan of Shane and think he is a top fighter and man.
If my opinion offends you then I'm very sorry Mrs Mosley.

It's a good thing you said "IF", because its obvious that my opinion offended you. You little sensitive bitch.[/quote]

" Bitch " is an uncommon use of the English Language to decribe a male .
I live in England but am always interested in the way others use "English"
Is the word " bitch " only used on the trailer park / projects you live in ? or does it have a relevance to "the Oxford English Dictionary " ?
Also I'm glad i did use the word "IF " , because I'm sure the consequences of your retribution would have had a devastating affect , a bit like maybe Tommy Hearns right hand exploding on Shane's jaw ? .

You're right it is an uncommon adjective for a man as its mostly reserved men with perhaps too much estrogen in their blood. Such as yourself. Trailer/park projects...that's original.

[Dark Lord Al]

[quote=JonesJrMayweather;766447][quote=Dark Lord Al;766420]

It's a good thing you said "IF", because its obvious that my opinion offended you. You little sensitive bitch.[/quote]

" Bitch " is an uncommon use of the English Language to decribe a male .
I live in England but am always interested in the way others use "English"
Is the word " bitch " only used on the trailer park / projects you live in ? or does it have a relevance to "the Oxford English Dictionary " ?
Also I'm glad i did use the word "IF " , because I'm sure the consequences of your retribution would have had a devastating affect , a bit like maybe Tommy Hearns right hand exploding on Shane's jaw ? .

You're right it is an uncommon adjective for a man as its mostly reserved men with perhaps too much estrogen in their blood. Such as yourself. Trailer/park projects...that's original.[/quote]

Also true .

[El Kabong]

OK guys I have finally gotten around to coming up with some more hypothetical fights that are seemingly 50/50. This list isn't as good as the first, but I felt I had to come up with more than just 1-2 fights

Aaron Pryor - Pernell Whittaker 140: Pryor was a non-stop action fighter, he was always throwing punches and he had a great chin, but Sweet Pea was THE slickest fighter since Willie Pep.

Oscar De la Hoya - Vernon Forrest 147: This fight always intrigued me not only because Forrest had such an easy time with Shane Mosley but also because Oscar and Vernon were on the same Olympic team. I think when Oscar was allowed to load up on his shots a bit more and punches weren't coming back at him in flurries he was more successful. Vernon fought from distance very well and had a dynamic right cross before the shoulder injury.

Floyd Patterson-Bob Foster 175: This fight pits two styles against each other where the outcomes can vary greatly in Foster's favor you can cite Tyson-Douglas & Tyson-Lewis and in Patterson's favor you can look at Tyson-Tucker & Tyson-Biggs or any number of taller fighters. Both Patterson and Foster had great handspeed and power, but their chins left a lot to be desired.

Frank Bruno - Donovan Ruddock: Two big heavy punchers who either didn't know how to act when they were hurt or just lost all sense when they got hurt. Bruno had the big right hand and Rudduck had the left 45 (hook/uppercut hybrid). In their respective primes I think they would have had a back and forth fight because they had the same strengths and the same weaknesses.

[ICB]

OK guys, I have done any number of hypothetical fight threads but this one imparticular is me trying my damnedest to make the seemingly most even matchups you could ever have....alright here I go.

Tommy Hearns-Shane Mosely 147- Sure Tommy has all the tools to beat Shane Mosley, height, size, power, strength, but Shane in return has all the tools to beat Tommy, a chin, stamina, power, fast flurries of punches.

Salvador Sanchez-Julio Cesar Chavez 130/135- OK Sanchez is a bit of a myth as we now know him, but he was GREAT, powerful, great workrate, but he was also everything Julio Cesar Chavez was as well.

Mike Tyson-Riddick Bowe- OK in his Prime Tyson could handle ANYONE, and while he did have SOME trouble with guys like Tony Tucker he still won. Riddick Bowe had the size and the skill set to easily beat Tyson but was he mentally tough enough to fight a perfect fight because if you as the taller man, give up the inside to Tyson you are DONE.

Roberto Duran-Alexis Arguello 135- Two big powerful and skilled fighters, both with no quit in them (at least at 135 for Duran). Duran was THE GREATEST at 135, but Arguello was one tough cookie.

That's all I can think of for now, but I will have more later on.

Tommy Hearns v Shane Mosley - both top fighters but if Mosley gets floored by Vern Forrest , and struggles with Oscar's jab , then the HITMAN knocks him out inside 4 rounds for me.
Hearns KO4

Sanchez v JC Chavez - both amazing fighters but over 15 rounds i give it to Sanchez , as he is slightly more adaptable as a fighter than Chavez.
Sanchez split points 15

Bowe v Tyson - Bowes chin lets him down in this one , Tyson chops him down inside 2 rounds.
Tyson TKO 2

Duran v Arguello - An interesting fight indeed , but i would lean towards Duran to score a TKO in about round 12-13.
Duran TKO 13.

(1) Shane suffered a concussion from the headbutt sustained moments before he was caught with a nice right hand by vernon, and still managed to avoid being stopped. Only been down once in his career, only seriously hurt that one time as well against 50 pro fights with a who's who's of his generation. NEVER BEEN STOPPED.

Hearns stopped by barkley,SRL, and hagler. Knocked down a hand full of times. Yet somehow he would manage to stop SHANE

At 147 Shane puts hearns to sleep late by crowding and over powering him all night. That's the not even prime shane. The shane that fought Oscar in the first fight would destroy any version of hearns.

(2) Bowe who has never been stopped, out fought evander twice. (which probably shortened his career) against tyson who only came to fight when he knew his opponent was beaten before the fight. He lost to everyone from his generation. KO'ed in his prime against douglass. Probably the most overrated heavy of all time. Would lose a UD to Bowe.

as far as the others..

I take JCC over sanchez

and duran over arguello...Alexis didn't have the pop to keep duran off of him and would have been stopped late.

Alexis Arguello didn't have the pop to keep Roberto Duran off ? are you kidding me ? Alexis Arguello was a great puncher who still hit very hard at Lightweight, and it would be the hardest puncher Roberto Duran fought at Lightweight.

[OumaFan]

Hearns clear UD
Sanchez close decision
Bowe TKO
Duran closeish decision.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Tommy Hearns v Shane Mosley - both top fighters but if Mosley gets floored by Vern Forrest , and struggles with Oscar's jab , then the HITMAN knocks him out inside 4 rounds for me.
Hearns KO4

Sanchez v JC Chavez - both amazing fighters but over 15 rounds i give it to Sanchez , as he is slightly more adaptable as a fighter than Chavez.
Sanchez split points 15

Bowe v Tyson - Bowes chin lets him down in this one , Tyson chops him down inside 2 rounds.
Tyson TKO 2

Duran v Arguello - An interesting fight indeed , but i would lean towards Duran to score a TKO in about round 12-13.
Duran TKO 13.

(1) Shane suffered a concussion from the headbutt sustained moments before he was caught with a nice right hand by vernon, and still managed to avoid being stopped. Only been down once in his career, only seriously hurt that one time as well against 50 pro fights with a who's who's of his generation. NEVER BEEN STOPPED.

Hearns stopped by barkley,SRL, and hagler. Knocked down a hand full of times. Yet somehow he would manage to stop SHANE

At 147 Shane puts hearns to sleep late by crowding and over powering him all night. That's the not even prime shane. The shane that fought Oscar in the first fight would destroy any version of hearns.

(2) Bowe who has never been stopped, out fought evander twice. (which probably shortened his career) against tyson who only came to fight when he knew his opponent was beaten before the fight. He lost to everyone from his generation. KO'ed in his prime against douglass. Probably the most overrated heavy of all time. Would lose a UD to Bowe.

as far as the others..

I take JCC over sanchez

and duran over arguello...Alexis didn't have the pop to keep duran off of him and would have been stopped late.

Alexis Arguello didn't have the pop to keep Roberto Duran off ? are you kidding me ? Alexis Arguello was a great puncher who still hit very hard at Lightweight, and it would be the hardest puncher Roberto Duran fought at Lightweight.

Alexis had pop, but duran was too strong down there, just like shane. Not to mention duran was faster at that weight, not faster than alexis but duran's skillset was maxed at lightweight, he took shots from legitimate WWs and MWs, arguello was stopped twice by a JMW...

[ICB]

(1) Shane suffered a concussion from the headbutt sustained moments before he was caught with a nice right hand by vernon, and still managed to avoid being stopped. Only been down once in his career, only seriously hurt that one time as well against 50 pro fights with a who's who's of his generation. NEVER BEEN STOPPED.

Hearns stopped by barkley,SRL, and hagler. Knocked down a hand full of times. Yet somehow he would manage to stop SHANE

At 147 Shane puts hearns to sleep late by crowding and over powering him all night. That's the not even prime shane. The shane that fought Oscar in the first fight would destroy any version of hearns.

(2) Bowe who has never been stopped, out fought evander twice. (which probably shortened his career) against tyson who only came to fight when he knew his opponent was beaten before the fight. He lost to everyone from his generation. KO'ed in his prime against douglass. Probably the most overrated heavy of all time. Would lose a UD to Bowe.

as far as the others..

I take JCC over sanchez

and duran over arguello...Alexis didn't have the pop to keep duran off of him and would have been stopped late.

Alexis Arguello didn't have the pop to keep Roberto Duran off ? are you kidding me ? Alexis Arguello was a great puncher who still hit very hard at Lightweight, and it would be the hardest puncher Roberto Duran fought at Lightweight.

Alexis had pop, but duran was too strong down there, just like shane. Not to mention duran was faster at that weight, not faster than alexis but duran's skillset was maxed at lightweight, he took shots from legitimate WWs and MWs, arguello was stopped twice by a JMW...

Alexis Arguello was past his prime against Aaron Pryor, we are talking about a prime Alexis Arguello here. And Aaron Pryor's 1st win over Alexis Arguello is tainted.

Because Alexis Arguello seemed to be coming on, in the later rounds like he often did. Until Aaron Pryor had the mysterious black bottle, which gave him energy.

And secondly that has nothing to do with a match up, between Alexis Arguello/Roberto Duran at Lightweight. Also just because Roberto Duran moved up in weight, and took some good punches.

Doesn't mean Alexis Arguello couldn't hurt him, or possibly stop him. Remember Roberto Duran was dropped like a sack twice, against Esteban De Jesus at Lightweight who isn't that big of a puncher.

Plus Alexis Arguello has a big reach and height advantage, so he could catch Roberto Duran coming in at mid-distance where he done his best work. With his perfect straight right hands which could knockdown a brickwall.

Alexis Arguello loved fighters that come towards him, which is why after Roberto Duran gets hurt early by Alexis Arguello. He would box smart and win a closish decision IMO.

Im not saying Roberto Duran would lose, all im saying is that he couldn't just come forward walking through Alexis Arguello's, best punches especially with Alexis Arguello's big reach advantage. Plus he hits too hard and Roberto Duran would of found that out very early.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Alexis Arguello didn't have the pop to keep Roberto Duran off ? are you kidding me ? Alexis Arguello was a great puncher who still hit very hard at Lightweight, and it would be the hardest puncher Roberto Duran fought at Lightweight.

Alexis had pop, but duran was too strong down there, just like shane. Not to mention duran was faster at that weight, not faster than alexis but duran's skillset was maxed at lightweight, he took shots from legitimate WWs and MWs, arguello was stopped twice by a JMW...

Alexis Arguello was past his prime against Aaron Pryor, we are talking about a prime Alexis Arguello here. And Aaron Pryor's 1st win over Alexis Arguello is tainted.

Because Alexis Arguello seemed to be coming on, in the later rounds like he often did. Until Aaron Pryor had the mysterious black bottle, which gave him energy.

And secondly that has nothing to do with a match up, between Alexis Arguello/Roberto Duran at Lightweight. Also just because Roberto Duran moved up in weight, and took some good punches.

Doesn't mean Alexis Arguello couldn't hurt him, or possibly stop him. Remember Roberto Duran was dropped like a sack twice, against Esteban De Jesus at Lightweight who isn't that big of a puncher.

Plus Alexis Arguello has a big reach and height advantage, so he could catch Roberto Duran coming in at mid-distance where he done his best work. With his perfect straight right hands which could knockdown a brickwall.

Alexis Arguello loved fighters that come towards him, which is why after Roberto Duran gets hurt early by Alexis Arguello. He would box smart and win a closish decision IMO.

Im not saying Roberto Duran would lose, all im saying is that he couldn't just come forward walking through Alexis Arguello's, best punches especially with Alexis Arguello's big reach advantage. Plus he hits too hard and Roberto Duran would of found that out very early.

So who do you rate higher at LW all time Alexis or duran?

[El Kabong]

OK I thought of a few more (I'm going to have to think of maybe 5-10 before I post another set), but keep this debate going, I like it! Every point that is made about each of these fights I tend to switch sides...you guys are doing wonderfully backing up your points as well.

[El Kabong]

OK, I hate to re-use some of the fighters I have already mentioned but here it goes.

Ken Norton - Evander Holyfield: Both big strong awkward fighters who beat THE BEST fighter(s) of their era with Norton beating Ali and Evander beating Tyson and Lewis. Norton was seemingly only bothered by HUGE punchers like Foreman, Shavers, and Cooney...Evander could punch, but not that hard. I see a battle closer than the Bowe-Holyfield fights.

Joe Fazier - Riddick Bowe: Now of course Riddick was big and strong, but he was often lazy in the ring giving up his height and reach and Joe Frazier could take a punch, in fact he could take several, and nobody had more will in their body than he did and if Evander Holyfield could drop Bowe then I think it's a forgone conclusion that Frazier's left hook could do damage to Riddick.

Jersey Joe Walcott - James Toney (190-210): Jersey Joe and Toney were very slick fighters who were defensively sound yet provided solid offense and power.


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