Super Six Thoughts and Ending

First off, am i the only one just heartbroken watching JT get sparked again as the clock winds down in a fight he did pretty well in?

He is such a likeable guy. I hate like hell he got obliterated once more.

Having said that, props to my boy Arthur for the 3 pointer, I am picking Arthur to win the whole shebang. Mikkel and Arthur in the final is going to be lovely.




Second. Carl Froch. He lost the fight, but it could have reasonably been a draw I suppose, being in England and all. Certainly was not 115-112.


I think Carl has the worst jab Ive seen in ages. More of a flicking backhand really. He's slow, he doesn't have NEAR the power everyone thinks he does, and Ward, Kessler, Abraham will beat him easily. What's amazing to me is how he got to Jermaine in April. Lucky. His time is coming though. You cant bullsh*t your way through the division forever.

I think Froch is a bit over rater with his chin/power claims. But I think Dirrell would make many fighters looks shit and awkward in there.

I want to see Abraham/Froch I honestly think style wise this will be a cracker and not as one sided as some of you guys think. Styles make fights.

Holy hell that was perfect right cross from Abraham....JT's defense was never that great, even when he blocked punches he never seemed to block all of it. WTF was with the ref trying to count him out?!?!?!

Dirrell is someone that doesn't have a good fight rhythm which is going to hurt him vs some opponents and help him vs others. He has good handspeed and decent power, but he is just so awkward.

Froch is mediocre...he WILL get demolished by Kessler or Abraham. I think this tourney will tell us the most about Andre Ward. I wonder if Allan Green could KO Froch....he's a big puncher, he's got no chin though, I wouldn't be shocked if he caught Froch and finished him. Would have been nice to get a bigger star in there but there is too much money to be made for Pavlik, Hopkins, RJJ, and anyone else other than maybe the Andrade-Bute winner

Froch/Abraham will be a better fight than Dirrell/Froch because Arther will stand there and trade with Carl.

However, I see a repeat of Abraham's fight winning recipe: let Carl wail at his arms for 8 rounds, then uncork and stop him late. I don't think Froch's chin can take the bombs that Taylor and Miranda had to eat.

I think Froch has Kessler next

Froch is the the least technically sound guy in the who damn tourney, and a dirty bastard at that, he's taylor made for Abraham and i see Abraham easily catching him early coming in with wild shots and getting put down and out by the 4th or 5th round, sorry but the Dirrelll/Froch fight ruined the tourney for me, horribly ugly fight between a chicken shit who preferred to hug than to use his superior speed and skill and actually box his man, and a dirty fucker in Froch, and the final nail in the coffin was the horrible hometown decision and Froch's lame comments at the end of the fight, with the robbery it just goes to show how corrupt boxing is, the whole concept of the tournament was a great idea but they pretty much fucked it up by pitting the fights in certain fighters hometowns (Ward, Froch, Abraham), IMO it would have been better to be a world tour type thing and fight in completely neutral grounds and try to avoid the type of bullshit that happened last night

Bizarrely I thought Taylor in some ways looked better than against Froch, I certainly didn't see any stamina issues, more a case of Abraham coming into it & his power being a big factor. That punch would have KO'd any fighter in this tourney. If he is physically able to continue (ie cleared by the docs) then I would like to see him still in it. I thought the point deduction against him was a bit harsh. But, I don't believe anyone can help but admire Arthur Abraham, he's heart, skill & power personified. With so little time to go, he must have known it was his fight & could have played it safe but instead went all out & dropped JT with the meanest of right hands. Both the fighters in the other event of the night could learn a thing or two from both these guys.

As for the Froch-Dirrell fight, I was outraged last night, even more so when I rewatched it today & scored it properly. Last night I thought I had Dirrell winning it well, but scoring rbr today, I had it for Dirrell 116-111. I honestly think this was an absolutely shocking robbery, it's far more worthy of it then Diaz-Malignaggi IMO. Giving even all the close rounds to Froch, I could still only have it 114-113 for Dirrell, unlike the Brit commentators, I didn't think it was a hard fight to score.

Dirrell doesn't deserve much credit for how he fought, he clearly showed he could step it up at times, but chose not to for much of it & should of concentrated on boxing rather than complaining. However, he deserves a lot more than Froch. I've seen people saying Froch was trying to make it a fight, to me he was just as negative. He was dirty, there is no excuse for bodyslamming someone & if the ref was going to deduct points from Dirrell, he should have deducted at least 1 from Froch, probably 2 IMO. The way Froch behaved afterwards only took away that last bit of respect I had for him.

I honestly think if we'd seen the same happen between Taylor & Abraham in Germany, everyone (including those arguing for Froch) would be going on about 'fighters always get robbed in Germany'. Dirrell has every right to complain & showed real class given the situation. In every single category that you should judge a fight, Froch lost. Plodding forward & hitting air does not count as 'effective aggression'. The fight this most reminded me of recently was Berto-Urango & you can imagine the uproar if Urango had got the win there. Dirrell needs to up it a level, but at the end of the day, he fought his fight, won & got fucked over. I hope Kessler tears Froch apart, although I don't see any redemption for Dirrell against Abraham.

My only complaint about Abraham was that he never capitalized on the momentum he had built up after the first Miranda fight. What a warrior, to finish with a broken jaw....wow...big heart.

Oh I also don't like that he fancies himself as a Smurf...that's a little odd

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Holy hell that was perfect right cross from Abraham....JT's defense was never that great, even when he blocked punches he never seemed to block all of it. WTF was with the ref trying to count him out?!?!?!

Dirrell is someone that doesn't have a good fight rhythm which is going to hurt him vs some opponents and help him vs others. He has good handspeed and decent power, but he is just so awkward.

Froch is mediocre...he WILL get demolished by Kessler or Abraham. I think this tourney will tell us the most about Andre Ward. I wonder if Allan Green could KO Froch....he's a big puncher, he's got no chin though, I wouldn't be shocked if he caught Froch and finished him. Would have been nice to get a bigger star in there but there is too much money to be made for Pavlik, Hopkins, RJJ, and anyone else other than maybe the Andrade-Bute winner

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I was thinking the exact same thing about the refs counting of Taylor. He hit the deck that hard there must be a dent in the canvas.

i agree with the people saying that Froch's chin has been a bit overrated, but people are now talking like he is chinny as hell. where has this come from? I think he has a decent, solid chin. not cast from steel, but decent nonetheless. limestone perhaps.

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Originally Posted by ryanman89

i agree with the people saying that Froch's chin has been a bit overrated, but people are now talking like he is chinny as hell. where has this come from? I think he has a decent, solid chin. not cast from steel, but decent nonetheless. limestone perhaps.

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And all after a fight he was never hurt in. He got floored heavily by Taylor and his chin was granite???

You make good points!

Some thoughts. Dirrell fights Abraham in America next and has the potential to repeat his Froch performance against Abraham and if he can avoid getting KOd then he can get a decision. I think Abraham will catch up to him at some point though.

Kessler must be thinking after wtching the Froch fight that he needs to win a really wide decision or score a KO to win in America against Ward. If it's in any way close he's almost certainly going to get on the wrong end of the decision.

Froch is going to be in big trouble against Kessler and Abraham.

Some more Super Six thoughts. Look how the first half of the page is Super Six threads. It's got boxing fans energised, it's definitely going to bring in new fans. Imagine how good it would be for boxing if they did one of these in every division. And it's affordable. The $50 million number Showtime were talking about was nonsense. That sounds like an estimate of how much all the first round of fights will gross. (HBO's entire sports budget for 2010 is $50-55 million and they dwarf Showtime.) Showtime have put this together by paying each fighter a million dollars TV money for three fights, plus the cost of advertising it.


HBO are contracted guarantee Golden Boy exclusive dates into 2011 despite all their prospects being wiped out and them mainly relying on pensioner power now. They piaid three million for the Dawson Tarver rematch and spent a bunch on advertising it, they could have had half a Super Six with that. Hopefully in 2011 HBO tell all the promoters to eff off, they're going to have to put their guys in Super Six-style tournaments throughout the weight divisions.