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Before he fought Cotto he was number 1 in light Welterweights and in Welterweights it was
1.Mosley
2.Mayweather
3.Cotto
And now Pac is number 1 is it me or is the world just so far up Pacquiao's ARSE!! granted he is P4P#1 but i think he should have just slipped in to Cotto's number 3 spot.
Maybe not P4P but at Welterweight you can't put him above Mayweather or Mosley...
I don't even class the Cotto/Pac fight as a proper WW fight. It was at a catchweight and I don't think any belts should have been on the line either.
Mosley is still number 1 as far as I'm concerned. I have no idea where Mayweather comes in at having last fought a LW and a JWW before that. Maybe Mosley, then Pac and only then Mayweather.
Only right if you ask me
The 2 fights he has had at the weight have been nothing short of remarkable, cotto beat mosley, pac beat cotto
Floyd took a close decision to beat ODLH, pac battered him in 8rounds!
1.Pacquiao
2.Mayweather
3.Mosley
cotto beat mosely, and then Pac-May destroyed Cotto. I have no problem ranking him above Mosely.
Come on, if you are going to use an example, pick another one. Even Roach said that prefight he could see needle tracks in De La Hoya's arms and knew it would be an easy night. The guy was weight drained beyond belief for that fight, something he was not for Mayweather.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
It's close.
Now, a p4p list would look very different. But, I don't see how you rank Floyd above Pacquiao or Mosley and probably Cotto at welterweight at least if the list is based on achievements in the weight class because Floyd hasn't done anything at welterweight...ever really. I could see him above Cotto because of Cotto's recent losses, but even that's close call.
- Mosley: he retains the #1 spot. He lost a razor thin decision to Cotto but then demolished a Margarito who had beat Cotto.
- Pacquiao: beat Cotto who was consensus #2
- Cotto/Floyd: has beat more top opposition at welterweight/jr. welterweight than any of the top guys: Clottey, Shane, Quintana, Judah, Malinaggi, Bailey etc.
- Floyd/Cotto: has not fought one consensus top ten welterweight in five years. Biggest win at welterweight was probably over Baldomir or Marquez who is a lightweight.
Also, unless I'm mistaken, isn't any fight above 140 but below 147 considered a welterweight fight?
Floyd fought ODLH at Light Middle, what does that have to do with the Welterweight rankings?Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
Pac beat a weight drained Oscar who wasn't even in the Welterweight top 10 and Floyd beat a big 154lbs WBC champ Oscar who was number 1 at the time in that division. Yes Pac beat Cotto who beat Mosley but Mosley destroyed Margarito who had Destroyed Cotto and Cintron and Pacquiao's fight was at 145lbs not at the 147lbs Welterweight limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
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Originally Posted by TysonbrunoPac beat a weight drained Oscar who wasn't even in the Welterweight top 10 and Floyd beat a big 154lbs WBC champ Oscar who was number 1 at the time in that division. Yes Pac beat Cotto who beat Mosley but Mosley destroyed Margarito who had Destroyed Cotto and Cintron and Pacquiao's fight was at 145lbs not at the 147lbs Welterweight limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
Oscars prime weight was always welter, the quartey, whittaker and carr fights proved that years ago surely?
And didnt oscar come in at like 149 when he fought floyd? hardly a massive light middle was he
No ODLH weighed in at the limit of 154 and rehydrated to well over 160 for the PBF fight. When ODLH fought PAC he weighed in at 145 and with the help of an IV rehydrated to 147. Prime at welter you say? ODLH hadn't fought at welter in over 8 years when he stepped into the ring against PAC.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by TysonbrunoPac beat a weight drained Oscar who wasn't even in the Welterweight top 10 and Floyd beat a big 154lbs WBC champ Oscar who was number 1 at the time in that division. Yes Pac beat Cotto who beat Mosley but Mosley destroyed Margarito who had Destroyed Cotto and Cintron and Pacquiao's fight was at 145lbs not at the 147lbs Welterweight limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
Oscars prime weight was always welter, the quartey, whittaker and carr fights proved that years ago surely?
And didnt oscar come in at like 149 when he fought floyd? hardly a massive light middle was he
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Originally Posted by killersheepNo ODLH weighed in at the limit of 154 and rehydrated to well over 160 for the PBF fight. When ODLH fought PAC he weighed in at 145 and with the help of an IV rehydrated to 147. Prime at welter you say? ODLH hadn't fought at welter in over 8 years when he stepped into the ring against PAC.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by Tysonbruno
Oscars prime weight was always welter, the quartey, whittaker and carr fights proved that years ago surely?
And didnt oscar come in at like 149 when he fought floyd? hardly a massive light middle was he
And lets not forget manny pac hadnt even been in at 140 when he flew up through the weights to fight oscar.
floyd jumped up 7pounds to fight a guy of similar stature. Manny Pac gained 17pounds in just over 9months to fight a guy who had made his millions at said weight!
No Oscar weighed 154lbs for Floyd Floyd weighed 150lbs Oscar had not fought at Welterweight since march 2001 against GattiQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by TysonbrunoPac beat a weight drained Oscar who wasn't even in the Welterweight top 10 and Floyd beat a big 154lbs WBC champ Oscar who was number 1 at the time in that division. Yes Pac beat Cotto who beat Mosley but Mosley destroyed Margarito who had Destroyed Cotto and Cintron and Pacquiao's fight was at 145lbs not at the 147lbs Welterweight limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
Oscars prime weight was always welter, the quartey, whittaker and carr fights proved that years ago surely?
And didnt oscar come in at like 149 when he fought floyd? hardly a massive light middle was he
I place very little value on PAC's win over ODLH, because ODLH was a dehydrated broken man coming into that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheepNo ODLH weighed in at the limit of 154 and rehydrated to well over 160 for the PBF fight. When ODLH fought PAC he weighed in at 145 and with the help of an IV rehydrated to 147. Prime at welter you say? ODLH hadn't fought at welter in over 8 years when he stepped into the ring against PAC.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
And lets not forget manny pac hadnt even been in at 140 when he flew up through the weights to fight oscar.
floyd jumped up 7pounds to fight a guy of similar stature. Manny Pac gained 17pounds in just over 9months to fight a guy who had made his millions at said weight!
I give PAC huge credit for his wins over Cotto and Hatton though.
I agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI place very little value on PAC's win over ODLH, because ODLH was a dehydrated broken man coming into that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
And lets not forget manny pac hadnt even been in at 140 when he flew up through the weights to fight oscar.
floyd jumped up 7pounds to fight a guy of similar stature. Manny Pac gained 17pounds in just over 9months to fight a guy who had made his millions at said weight!
I give PAC huge credit for his wins over Cotto and Hatton though.
Just find this theory that pacs blowout of oscar in 8 wasnt as impressive as floyds 115-113 decision??
You can only beat whats put in front of you after all