The Super Six is not dead. Fact.
Next Fights.. Froch-Kessler. Ward-Taylor (assuming Taylor continues). Dirrell-Abraham.
Froch beats Kessler, big deal he's damaged goods. Kessler beats Froch it does nothing to extinguish the Ward defeat. Whoever wins it wont put them anywhere near the top of the supermiddle tree.
Ward-Taylor means nothing to the tournament. Taylor needs to retire. Either way he'll start a huge underdog.
Abraham-Dirrell is arguably the only worthwhile fight of the second round. Abraham looked great bashing Taylor and Dirrell was "robbed" (:rolleyes:).
The 3rd round.. Kessler-Taylor. Froch-Abraham. Dirrell-Ward.
All three fights only make sense if they all win in round two. Which is clearly impossible.
The Super Six don't work. Fact.
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Fenster
Next Fights.. Froch-Kessler. Ward-Taylor (assuming Taylor continues). Dirrell-Abraham.
Froch beats Kessler, big deal he's damaged goods. Kessler beats Froch it does nothing to extinguish the Ward defeat. Whoever wins it wont put them anywhere near the top of the supermiddle tree.
Ward-Taylor means nothing to the tournament. Taylor needs to retire. Either way he'll start a huge underdog.
Abraham-Dirrell is arguably the only worthwhile fight of the second round. Abraham looked great bashing Taylor and Dirrell was "robbed" (:rolleyes:).
The 3rd round.. Kessler-Taylor. Froch-Abraham. Dirrell-Ward.
All three fights only make sense if they all win in round two. Which is clearly impossible.
The Super Six don't work. Fact.
I admit that Taylor needs out of this. He was already beaten by Froch before the tournament, so why was he allowed in anyway? To get his ass kicked again. They really need to substitute him with someone else.
Actually at this point it is a three man race now. Abraham, Ward, and Dirrell. Froch should have lost, Kessler did and Taylor is shot. Let Ward and Dirrell fight and the winner of that fight Abraham. And call it a day on the tournament.
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I think it's far from dead, but I have been a bit disappointed so far, mainly by refereeing.
Taylor-Abraham was by far the best & unlike others I'm not sure Taylor is that shot. The only complaint I actually had here was the bullshit point deduction on Taylor, which arguably led him to opening up too much & getting stopped in search of a KO that was never going to come against Abraham.
Froch-Dirrell was a shit fight, characterized by excess holding from Dirrell & rabbit-punching & the odd judo move from Froch. Add to the fact Dirrell clearly won imo & you ended up with a controversy it could have done without. As if the judging wasn't bad enough & downright corrupt in the case of Massimo Barrovecchio giving the 11th to Froch, the referee Nestor Afu was also a hometown ref, taking a point for Dirrell for holding, but taking nothing from Froch for his rabbit-punches & hip throw.
Ward-Kessler was fairly judged imo, I didn't see a shutout, I thought Kessler took 2 of the 10 scored rounds, but it was dominant by Ward. Again the problem was the refereeing. Jack Reiss allowed Ward to get away with everything, which in his case included punching in the clinch, holding his left arm out rather than jabbing, ducking low, charging in like a bull in Pamplona & of course excessive clinching. Reiss saying 'let him go Mikkel' rather than breaking them up gave Ward a big advantage because it gave him time to land punches as Kessler let go because of his superior handspeed. I don't think Kessler would have won without it, but I do think it changed the fight somewhat.
Still, I think the 2nd round is good. I see Kessler beating Froch, whilst I don't think either Taylor or Dirrell can be counted out against Ward or Abraham just because the style matchups are good & ideally all the fighters who lost in the first round would win in the second.
It's still great for boxing & the fact that Fenster has no said that it's impossible for all 3 to win, now leads me to believe that Kessler, Dirrell & Taylor will all be victorious. Fact ;D
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Fenster
Next Fights.. Froch-Kessler. Ward-Taylor (assuming Taylor continues). Dirrell-Abraham.
Froch beats Kessler, big deal he's damaged goods. Kessler beats Froch it does nothing to extinguish the Ward defeat. Whoever wins it wont put them anywhere near the top of the supermiddle tree.
Ward-Taylor means nothing to the tournament. Taylor needs to retire. Either way he'll start a huge underdog.
Abraham-Dirrell is arguably the only worthwhile fight of the second round. Abraham looked great bashing Taylor and Dirrell was "robbed" (:rolleyes:).
The 3rd round.. Kessler-Taylor. Froch-Abraham. Dirrell-Ward.
All three fights only make sense if they all win in round two. Which is clearly impossible.
The Super Six don't work. Fact.
:confused: how do you work this out, damaged by who ?
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I made that post without seeing the fight. Going by the reports I thought Kessler was thrashed with Ward putting on a masterclass (:vd:). I've now seen the fight. It wasn't half as bad as most have made out.
I take back what I said.
Kessler wasn't humiliated just outhustled by a tricky faster guy on his home-turf. I wouldn't completely write Kessler off if they fought again.
The Super Six is still alive (just). Fact.
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Lance Uppercut, I never said it was bad. I said why it wouldn't work.
Stick the neg rep up yer arse. Fact.
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Fenster has hated the Super Six since its inception. Fact.
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Fenster
I made that post without seeing the fight. Going by the reports I thought Kessler was thrashed with Ward putting on a masterclass (:vd:). I've now seen the fight. It wasn't half as bad as most have made out.
I take back what I said.
Kessler wasn't humiliated just outhustled by a tricky faster guy on his home-turf. I wouldn't completely write Kessler off if they fought again.
The Super Six is still alive (just). Fact.
I think you should pick Kessler in the next prediction contest. I agree, he's a live dog.
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Fenster
I made that post without seeing the fight. Going by the reports I thought Kessler was thrashed with Ward putting on a masterclass (:vd:). I've now seen the fight. It wasn't half as bad as most have made out.
I take back what I said.
Kessler wasn't humiliated just outhustled by a tricky faster guy on his home-turf. I wouldn't completely write Kessler off if they fought again.
The Super Six is still alive (just). Fact.
I think you should pick Kessler in the next prediction contest. I agree, he's a live dog.
I'm talking about if in Denmark (which is clearly never gonna happen).
You see that way when Jesus comes forward missing punches the judges and commentators wont be so influenced by the cheering home crowd.
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that almost sounds like you're mocking the Son of God?
Anyway that will never happen since all American contestants will refuse to go to Europe after the Froch debacle, clearly the only fair thing to do is to have the fights in America, after all did you see the scorecards, where were all these rounds they found for Kessler? Its like they were consciously not trying to be as corrupt as the Euro judges and overcompensated. :-\
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You mean as corrupt as the judges sent into Europe to judge. Not Euro judges. Yes we all know Amercians are scared to travel.
I'm not mocking Jesus. He's a class fighter. I don't mind a guy that has skill and knows how to play dirty. That's a good sign. Like Hopkins.
Rantcatrat, I love the Super Six. I'm just saying how it can't work not that I want it to fail.
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that almost sounds like you're mocking the Son of God?
Anyway that will never happen since all American contestants will refuse to go to Europe after the Froch debacle, clearly the only fair thing to do is to have the fights in America, after all did you see the scorecards, where were all these rounds they found for Kessler? Its like they were consciously not trying to be as corrupt as the Euro judges and overcompensated. :-\
Probably the same place press row found them. I had Kessler winning 5 & either 9 or 10 can't remember which. I'm with Fenster, Ward was very impressive but I think the crowd & Gus Johnson climbing up Ward's arsehole (surely a contravention of his religious beliefs :-\) meant that viewers had a different take.
I can't defend the Froch thing though, but I have to say last night has made me dislike Ward intensely. I'm just glad that him & Froch can't meet in the group stage, it means I get at least 4 more fights of wanting to watch them both get KO'd.
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Fenster
You mean as corrupt as the judges sent into Europe to judge. Not Euro judges. Yes we all know Amercians are scared to travel.
I'm not mocking Jesus. He's a class fighter. I don't mind a guy that has skill and knows how to play dirty. That's a good sign. Like Hopkins.
Rantcatrat, I love the Super Six. I'm just saying how it can't work not that I want it to fail.
Technicalities. At least one of the three judges brought in was bought off. Fact. The other was maybe a big fan of rabbit punches?
Roy Jones getting screwed in Korea means no U.S. fighter ever has to travel as you well know, Dirrell/Froch was just reinforcement for those that that must of forgot.
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OumaFan
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Fenster
You mean as corrupt as the judges sent into Europe to judge. Not Euro judges. Yes we all know Amercians are scared to travel.
I'm not mocking Jesus. He's a class fighter. I don't mind a guy that has skill and knows how to play dirty. That's a good sign. Like Hopkins.
Rantcatrat, I love the Super Six. I'm just saying how it can't work not that I want it to fail.
Technicalities. At least one of the three judges brought in was bought off. Fact.
The other was maybe a big fan of rabbit punches?
Roy Jones getting screwed in Korea means no U.S. fighter ever has to travel as you well know, it just shows the goodness in their heart when they do so.
Ward-Froch would be like Hagler-Hearns for him ;)
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my only problem with this tournament is how they manage to keep it together, for example if dirrel is knocked out by abraham next round then why would he stick around for his 3rd fight, knowing he cant get through and facing a third straight loss, same with taylor, if he loses again, its too late to get a replacment for the last round of fights
