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Things move quick under Warren hey! :rolleyes:
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Chisora replaces Sexton | Boxing News
Things move quick under Warren hey! :rolleyes:
Funks sake, didn't mind Sexton beating old Danny but watching Chisora duff him up is :beat:
Come on Dan, one perfectly timed bomb to his bonce :cool:
I've only seen Cleverly fight twice as we dont get much UK boxing here in Oz. I was very impressed, and would like to see how he went against top opposition. He seems to have some good tools to work with, height and power. Has his chin been tested yet?
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Originally Posted by eagle
On various occasions but only by average punchers
He takes time establishing himself early doors and is prone to taking a few lumps especially in the 1st 2-3rounds. But once he does establish his rhythym he is just about the most exciting light heavy we have produced in a good while.
Would be stunned if cleverly doesnt go on to win various titles at world level
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Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by eagle
On various occasions but only by average punchers
He takes time establishing himself early doors and is prone to taking a few lumps especially in the 1st 2-3rounds. But once he does establish his rhythym he is just about the most exciting light heavy we have produced in a good while.
Would be stunned if cleverly doesnt go on to win various titles at world level
That's quite a statement considering he has fought no one even remotely close to world class, the best fighter he has fought was a past his best Tony Oakey, Cleverly showed in the Fry fight he has alot to do and needs some sterner tests before thinking about world level and I would be suprised if he won one world title never mind various one's.
I think Tony Bellew would give him all he could handle.
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Originally Posted by skel1983That's quite a statement considering he has fought no one even remotely close to world class, the best fighter he has fought was a past his best Tony Oakey, Cleverly showed in the Fry fight he has alot to do and needs some sterner tests before thinking about world level and I would be suprised if he won one world title never mind various one's.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by eagle
On various occasions but only by average punchers
He takes time establishing himself early doors and is prone to taking a few lumps especially in the 1st 2-3rounds. But once he does establish his rhythym he is just about the most exciting light heavy we have produced in a good while.
Would be stunned if cleverly doesnt go on to win various titles at world level
I think Tony Bellew would give him all he could handle.
courtney fry came to fight that night and for all his technical lacking is more than a decent enough opponent for cleverly at this stage of his career.
You can only beat whats infront of you and while i do accept he has to up his defence by the time the bigger guys come a calling, the technical aspects are all in place for him to acheive big things
Rate cleverly over brook as our best prospect right now
Kell Brook is another one, I think he has look exciting but again who the fuck has he fought? People need to take the reins in a bit with this overhyping of are fighters, his best win is against Lomax ffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983That's quite a statement considering he has fought no one even remotely close to world class, the best fighter he has fought was a past his best Tony Oakey, Cleverly showed in the Fry fight he has alot to do and needs some sterner tests before thinking about world level and I would be suprised if he won one world title never mind various one's.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
I think Tony Bellew would give him all he could handle.
courtney fry came to fight that night and for all his technical lacking is more than a decent enough opponent for cleverly at this stage of his career.
You can only beat whats infront of you and while i do accept he has to up his defence by the time the bigger guys come a calling, the technical aspects are all in place for him to acheive big things
Rate cleverly over brook as our best prospect right now
He needs to step it up with a fighter that is atleast top British level, so far he hasnt fought any of the top boys in the country but for some reason people think he is the next coming. I think I will reserve my judgement for a while yet.
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Originally Posted by skel1983Kell Brook is another one, I think he has look exciting but again who the fuck has he fought? People need to take the reins in a bit with this overhyping of are fighters, his best win is against Lomax ffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
courtney fry came to fight that night and for all his technical lacking is more than a decent enough opponent for cleverly at this stage of his career.
You can only beat whats infront of you and while i do accept he has to up his defence by the time the bigger guys come a calling, the technical aspects are all in place for him to acheive big things
Rate cleverly over brook as our best prospect right now
He needs to step it up with a fighter that is atleast top British level, so far he hasnt fought any of the top boys in the country but for some reason people think he is the next coming. I think I will reserve my judgement for a while yet.
Who were hatton and JC fighting 17-18 fights in? They were doing the same thing working their way up fighting 3rd-4th tier opponents in leisure centres.
You cant rush these guys and you dont need too. Khan got top billing because of what he did at the olympics not because of his natural ability. He got found out by a far inferior fighter because unlike these 2 he didnt learn a sufficent amount of in ring experience and got caught out.
British
Commonwealth
European
World contenders
World championship fight
Thats the true route to ultimate success!!
Shame the Jennings fight didn't happen. It would have been a good guide to where Brook is going.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Kell Brook is another one, I think he has look exciting but again who the fuck has he fought? People need to take the reins in a bit with this overhyping of are fighters, his best win is against Lomax ffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
courtney fry came to fight that night and for all his technical lacking is more than a decent enough opponent for cleverly at this stage of his career.
You can only beat whats infront of you and while i do accept he has to up his defence by the time the bigger guys come a calling, the technical aspects are all in place for him to acheive big things
Rate cleverly over brook as our best prospect right now
He needs to step it up with a fighter that is atleast top British level, so far he hasnt fought any of the top boys in the country but for some reason people think he is the next coming. I think I will reserve my judgement for a while yet.
Who said anything about rushing them?? Kell Brook has won and defended the British title three times and has fought no one of note on the domestic scene, Jennings. O Donnell, Watson, Hatton, all these and other need to be considered before we talk about him being a multiple world champ. That's my point to many British fans get to excited with prospects and start making bold statements about them.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Kell Brook is another one, I think he has look exciting but again who the fuck has he fought? People need to take the reins in a bit with this overhyping of are fighters, his best win is against Lomax ffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
He needs to step it up with a fighter that is atleast top British level, so far he hasnt fought any of the top boys in the country but for some reason people think he is the next coming. I think I will reserve my judgement for a while yet.
Who were hatton and JC fighting 17-18 fights in? They were doing the same thing working their way up fighting 3rd-4th tier opponents in leisure centres.
You cant rush these guys and you dont need too. Khan got top billing because of what he did at the olympics not because of his natural ability. He got found out by a far inferior fighter because unlike these 2 he didnt learn a sufficent amount of in ring experience and got caught out.
British
Commonwealth
European
World contenders
World championship fight
Thats the true route to ultimate success!!
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Originally Posted by skel1983Who said anything about rushing them?? Kell Brook has won and defended the British title three times and has fought no one of note on the domestic scene, Jennings. O Donnell, Watson, Hatton, all these and other need to be considered before we talk about him being a multiple world champ. That's my point to many British fans get to excited with prospects and start making bold statements about them.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
Who were hatton and JC fighting 17-18 fights in? They were doing the same thing working their way up fighting 3rd-4th tier opponents in leisure centres.
You cant rush these guys and you dont need too. Khan got top billing because of what he did at the olympics not because of his natural ability. He got found out by a far inferior fighter because unlike these 2 he didnt learn a sufficent amount of in ring experience and got caught out.
British
Commonwealth
European
World contenders
World championship fight
Thats the true route to ultimate success!!
If kell brook was to tear through every single one of those names you`d still be able to answer the question of who exactly has he fought to suggest he can become a world champion and the answer would again be nobody
Fact is you can go on how far a fighter will go through natural talent alone and not from the fact that because he hasnt fought anyone of note he shouldnt be taken seriously.
now when we say world title are we talking of a Frank Warren 'World' title?
If Kell Brook went through Watson,Jennings,O'Donnell and Hatton. That would be some acheievment and of course I would be saying this lad coudl go far, but like I say he has fought Lomax and Mcintyre who are both part time fighters who have been beaton multiple times by average opposistion.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Who said anything about rushing them?? Kell Brook has won and defended the British title three times and has fought no one of note on the domestic scene, Jennings. O Donnell, Watson, Hatton, all these and other need to be considered before we talk about him being a multiple world champ. That's my point to many British fans get to excited with prospects and start making bold statements about them.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
If kell brook was to tear through every single one of those names you`d still be able to answer the question of who exactly has he fought to suggest he can become a world champion and the answer would again be nobody
Fact is you can go on how far a fighter will go through natural talent alone and not from the fact that because he hasnt fought anyone of note he shouldnt be taken seriously.
You just seem to go way overboard with your claims these fighters will win various world titles, how many British fighters have won multiple world titles in the last 20 years??
These fighters who have pretty 20-0 records who hold British Commenwealth and European honours mean fuck all look at the ones we have had in the recent past.Your Alex Arthurs Nicky Cooks of this world, Who have been found out at a higher level, all im saying is I dont see anything in Brook and Cleverly to see them going on to be British legends.
I will also stick with my prediction Tony Bellew is a better prospect than Cleverly.
I'll have to keep an eye out for Bellew, cos if u think he is better than Cleverly he must be handy.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983If Kell Brook went through Watson,Jennings,O'Donnell and Hatton. That would be some acheievment and of course I would be saying this lad coudl go far, but like I say he has fought Lomax and Mcintyre who are both part time fighters who have been beaton multiple times by average opposistion.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
If kell brook was to tear through every single one of those names you`d still be able to answer the question of who exactly has he fought to suggest he can become a world champion and the answer would again be nobody
Fact is you can go on how far a fighter will go through natural talent alone and not from the fact that because he hasnt fought anyone of note he shouldnt be taken seriously.
You just seem to go way overboard with your claims these fighters will win various world titles, how many British fighters have won multiple world titles in the last 20 years??
These fighters who have pretty 20-0 records who hold British Commenwealth and European honours mean fuck all look at the ones we have had in the recent past.Your Alex Arthurs Nicky Cooks of this world, Who have been found out at a higher level, all im saying is I dont see anything in Brook and Cleverly to see them going on to be British legends.
I will also stick with my prediction Tony Bellew is a better prospect than Cleverly.
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Originally Posted by skel1983If Kell Brook went through Watson,Jennings,O'Donnell and Hatton. That would be some acheievment and of course I would be saying this lad coudl go far, but like I say he has fought Lomax and Mcintyre who are both part time fighters who have been beaton multiple times by average opposistion.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
If kell brook was to tear through every single one of those names you`d still be able to answer the question of who exactly has he fought to suggest he can become a world champion and the answer would again be nobody
Fact is you can go on how far a fighter will go through natural talent alone and not from the fact that because he hasnt fought anyone of note he shouldnt be taken seriously.
You just seem to go way overboard with your claims these fighters will win various world titles, how many British fighters have won multiple world titles in the last 20 years??
These fighters who have pretty 20-0 records who hold British Commenwealth and European honours mean fuck all look at the ones we have had in the recent past.Your Alex Arthurs Nicky Cooks of this world, Who have been found out at a higher level, all im saying is I dont see anything in Brook and Cleverly to see them going on to be British legends.
I will also stick with my prediction Tony Bellew is a better prospect than Cleverly.
Ive said i believe nathan cleverly can go on to win various world titles. i havent even mentioned anyone else
alex arthur and nicky cook are not nathan cleverly. As said if im wrong on this one you can burn me at the stake but i seriously think big things of clev and would not be surprised if 2-3 years down the line we are talking about matching him up with the likes of dawson, cloud, ward etc