Has Manny Paquiao's reputation taken a serious hit as a result of recent goings on?

I just thought I would start a thread to see where people are at with their thinking on Manny Pac. Has his reputation suffered as a result of his refusal to go through with random testing and having seemingly avoided a fight with Mayweather?

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Nah, not really. People are just pissed that the FLoyd fight was off, I'm pretty sure it would die down.

Holyfield was more than likely on PEDs when he whipped Tyson's ass, but people still love him. Roy Jones failed a drug test but in a recent thread he got nothing but love from the people and every other boxing forum I've been too.

Shane Mosley was connected to Balco and admitted to using PEDs, and yet he still has a load of fans including this forum hoping that he will beat Floyd.

Then there's Trinidad who tried to load up his gloves/wraps in the Hopkins fight but he still has fans, even the ones on here.

im pretty much disgusted that pac refused pbf's terms, he shouldve taken the tests.

but here in the philippines it didnt affected pacs stature. oh yes not at all! people here think that pbf made too many excuses and thought the if pbf really wanted it then he should accept whatever pac presented on the table.

i also saw in the news that even foreign fans still line up to meet pac. its as if nothing happened!

even here in saddo im surprised that a lot still defends pac. yes its been mentioned a million times that pac is a cheat thanks to the haters ofcourse. but to most all are just allegations. and to some(like 4 forumers) pac is already guilty.

Trinidad did not try to load his gloves up, at least not in the same sense as Margarito. Naazim Richardson clarified it himself, it was just a different method of wrapping that wasn't approved here.

Anyways, Sugar Ray Leonard was a cokehead and that was in the public, and his reputation didn't take a serious long term hit, Pacquiao will be fine. In the present though, his approval numbers would definitely be down if he had them.

I was neutral on Floyd and Manny before hand, in fact if you check my history youll see iv "hated" on Floyd;D

So I have absolutely no bias towards Floyd but manny has made himself look a cuunt!!

I hate the little turd now, the only people defending him are Phillipino because hes their hero but even then they are doing it blindly knowing or thinking deep down why he was so against random blood testing.

Hes just done it for Clottey but 20 days out, whos to say he hasnt taken something the very next day?

Thats why he was so against randoms because he wouldnt be able to do that;)

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Trinidad did not try to load his gloves up, at least not in the same sense as Margarito. Naazim Richardson clarified it himself, it was just a different method of wrapping that wasn't approved here.

Anyways, Sugar Ray Leonard was a cokehead and that was in the public, and his reputation didn't take a serious long term hit, Pacquiao will be fine. In the present though, his approval numbers would definitely be down if he had them.

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Yeah, if I recall correctly Trinidad tried to put tape directly on his skin in his palm. Basically he was trying to put excess tape under his gauze. This makes for a harder fist. Its like holding something and making a fist. Its against the rules but its not what you think of as loading.

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I was neutral on Floyd and Manny before hand, in fact if you check my history youll see iv "hated" on Floyd;D

So I have absolutely no bias towards Floyd but manny has made himself look a cuunt!!

I hate the little turd now, the only people defending him are Phillipino because hes their hero but even then they are doing it blindly knowing or thinking deep down why he was so against random blood testing.

Hes just done it for Clottey but 20 days out, whos to say he hasnt taken something the very next day?

Thats why he was so against randoms because he wouldnt be able to do that;)

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If having a dislike of both fighters can be classed as neutral then I guess I was pretty neutral. After the Cotto fight I really did say to hell with it and decided I would even support him against Floyd, but after this whole debacle I have gone the other way. I hold Manny with deep suspicion and don't trust anything that comes out of his camp because of the appalling inconsistency and contradictions.

There is no doubt in my eyes that he has fallen, but I was curious to know where others were at, whence the thread.

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Originally Posted by ross

I was neutral on Floyd and Manny before hand, in fact if you check my history youll see iv "hated" on Floyd;D

So I have absolutely no bias towards Floyd but manny has made himself look a cuunt!!

I hate the little turd now, the only people defending him are Phillipino because hes their hero but even then they are doing it blindly knowing or thinking deep down why he was so against random blood testing.

Hes just done it for Clottey but 20 days out, whos to say he hasnt taken something the very next day?

Thats why he was so against randoms because he wouldnt be able to do that;)

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If having a dislike of both fighters can be classed as neutral then I guess I was pretty neutral. After the Cotto fight I really did say to hell with it and decided I would even support him against Floyd, but after this whole debacle I have gone the other way. I hold Manny with deep suspicion and don't trust anything that comes out of his camp because of the appalling inconsistency and contradictions.

There is no doubt in my eyes that he has fallen, but I was curious to know where others were at, whence the thread.

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It's undoubtedly taken a hit in the short term, to early to tell long term. Whether it SHOULD or not is a matter of opinion. Generalbulldogs list of other fighters is one reason why I dont think he should, another reason is who the hell knows how many are on PEDs, could be talking about a massive majority due to poor testing, hell even with random tests Marion Jones flew past hundreds with flying colours, hence I dont see why any fighter's entire career should be discredited so handily.

On the bolded part I'd argue his camp have always been like that on any issue, signing with Golden boy for example and the crazy entourage he has on 24/7, not even Roach seems to get any sense out of them.

Passing up 40 million dollars in order to avoid being tested for PEDs; I think this will hurt his legacy.

Personally, to me, quite a lot. Overall, I think it's only marginally because he has that huge army of trolls following and drinking everything he said plus many boxing "fans" are more on the surface than the total deepness of the whole thing. So marginally overall but a lot to me.

Hell no,

Until something is concrete he is still the man. Until he is beaten or proven guilty of cheating without a shadow of a doubt, then he will remain the man. All this he said she said allegation bullshit can kiss my ass. If I claim to be a Pac fan, why on earth would i ditch him just because of what other people think. If that was the case no fighter would have any fucking fans! Pacquiao has done more then enough to prove his worth in gold, and every fighter in the world that is somewhat in the limelight can be picked apart and questioned in some shape or form. He's not even claiming a GOAT status, he always extends his hands to help his people and the less fortunate, and he fights his ass off no matter who you put in front of him.

I implore anyone to come up with a fighter that you can't put some type of "?" next to there name.

Even the arguably the greatest of all time ALI has/had a big "?" next to his name by converting to Islam to avoid going to War, i wonder how many boxing fans ripped him up and down for that one. I wonder how many ALI fans jumped ship when they found out he wouldn't fight for his country...

The sport of Boxing will always come first to me, but having a favorite fighter that you support through thick and thin envokes passion and excitement. Some of my past favorites have let me down and i no longer support them. Pac has done nothing to change my opinion of him (as of yet).

his reputation is in tatters.

I don't think his reputation has taken a serious hit at all. He still has his hoards of fans that come to his defense on every thread that mentions him. If you were only getting your news from boxing journalists a majority of them still blame Floyd for the negotiations breaking down. The media machine by far and large IS actively working to protect his reputation. The proof is in the pudding though and we will see how many people buy his Clottey fight, because you know people aren't paying for Clottey. This issue will become more and more buried over time.

Everyone all round made mistakes including manny pacquiao

Floyd Mayweather doesnt wanna fight manny, thats clear for all to see. He used the argument to rile his way out of the fight because i honestly believe floyd mayweather doesnt believe he can beat manny pacquiao.

At the same time however mannys refusal to even enter into discussions to try and find a fair conclusion for all partys concerned was dissapointing. I have the upmost sympathy for a man who doesnt wanna be tested JUST before the fight but had they of set a date around february time where both men would be tested simultaneously then tested immidiately after the fight every party would of one.

I dont believe hand on heart pacquiaos bulked up on roids but this outcome has now got me and many others thinking could he be??