Has Manny Paquiao's reputation taken a serious hit as a result of recent goings on?

[Gandalf]

I was neutral on Floyd and Manny before hand, in fact if you check my history youll see iv "hated" on Floyd

So I have absolutely no bias towards Floyd but manny has made himself look a cuunt!!

I hate the little turd now, the only people defending him are Phillipino because hes their hero but even then they are doing it blindly knowing or thinking deep down why he was so against random blood testing.

Hes just done it for Clottey but 20 days out, whos to say he hasnt taken something the very next day?

Thats why he was so against randoms because he wouldnt be able to do that

If having a dislike of both fighters can be classed as neutral then I guess I was pretty neutral. After the Cotto fight I really did say to hell with it and decided I would even support him against Floyd, but after this whole debacle I have gone the other way. I hold Manny with deep suspicion and don't trust anything that comes out of his camp because of the appalling inconsistency and contradictions.

There is no doubt in my eyes that he has fallen, but I was curious to know where others were at, whence the thread.

[Bomp]

I was neutral on Floyd and Manny before hand, in fact if you check my history youll see iv "hated" on Floyd

So I have absolutely no bias towards Floyd but manny has made himself look a cuunt!!

I hate the little turd now, the only people defending him are Phillipino because hes their hero but even then they are doing it blindly knowing or thinking deep down why he was so against random blood testing.

Hes just done it for Clottey but 20 days out, whos to say he hasnt taken something the very next day?

Thats why he was so against randoms because he wouldnt be able to do that

If having a dislike of both fighters can be classed as neutral then I guess I was pretty neutral. After the Cotto fight I really did say to hell with it and decided I would even support him against Floyd, but after this whole debacle I have gone the other way. I hold Manny with deep suspicion and don't trust anything that comes out of his camp because of the appalling inconsistency and contradictions.

There is no doubt in my eyes that he has fallen, but I was curious to know where others were at, whence the thread.

It's undoubtedly taken a hit in the short term, to early to tell long term. Whether it SHOULD or not is a matter of opinion. Generalbulldogs list of other fighters is one reason why I dont think he should, another reason is who the hell knows how many are on PEDs, could be talking about a massive majority due to poor testing, hell even with random tests Marion Jones flew past hundreds with flying colours, hence I dont see why any fighter's entire career should be discredited so handily.

On the bolded part I'd argue his camp have always been like that on any issue, signing with Golden boy for example and the crazy entourage he has on 24/7, not even Roach seems to get any sense out of them.

[Lance Uppercut]

Passing up 40 million dollars in order to avoid being tested for PEDs; I think this will hurt his legacy.

[Nameless]

Personally, to me, quite a lot. Overall, I think it's only marginally because he has that huge army of trolls following and drinking everything he said plus many boxing "fans" are more on the surface than the total deepness of the whole thing. So marginally overall but a lot to me.

[cnote111]

Hell no,

Until something is concrete he is still the man. Until he is beaten or proven guilty of cheating without a shadow of a doubt, then he will remain the man. All this he said she said allegation bullshit can kiss my ass. If I claim to be a Pac fan, why on earth would i ditch him just because of what other people think. If that was the case no fighter would have any fucking fans! Pacquiao has done more then enough to prove his worth in gold, and every fighter in the world that is somewhat in the limelight can be picked apart and questioned in some shape or form. He's not even claiming a GOAT status, he always extends his hands to help his people and the less fortunate, and he fights his ass off no matter who you put in front of him.

I implore anyone to come up with a fighter that you can't put some type of "?" next to there name.

Even the arguably the greatest of all time ALI has/had a big "?" next to his name by converting to Islam to avoid going to War, i wonder how many boxing fans ripped him up and down for that one. I wonder how many ALI fans jumped ship when they found out he wouldn't fight for his country...

The sport of Boxing will always come first to me, but having a favorite fighter that you support through thick and thin envokes passion and excitement. Some of my past favorites have let me down and i no longer support them. Pac has done nothing to change my opinion of him (as of yet).

[Hornfinger]

his reputation is in tatters.

[killersheep]

I don't think his reputation has taken a serious hit at all. He still has his hoards of fans that come to his defense on every thread that mentions him. If you were only getting your news from boxing journalists a majority of them still blame Floyd for the negotiations breaking down. The media machine by far and large IS actively working to protect his reputation. The proof is in the pudding though and we will see how many people buy his Clottey fight, because you know people aren't paying for Clottey. This issue will become more and more buried over time.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Hell no,

Until something is concrete he is still the man. Until he is beaten or proven guilty of cheating without a shadow of a doubt, then he will remain the man. All this he said she said allegation bullshit can kiss my ass. If I claim to be a Pac fan, why on earth would i ditch him just because of what other people think. If that was the case no fighter would have any fucking fans! Pacquiao has done more then enough to prove his worth in gold, and every fighter in the world that is somewhat in the limelight can be picked apart and questioned in some shape or form. He's not even claiming a GOAT status, he always extends his hands to help his people and the less fortunate, and he fights his ass off no matter who you put in front of him.

I implore anyone to come up with a fighter that you can't put some type of "?" next to there name.

Even the arguably the greatest of all time ALI has/had a big "?" next to his name by converting to Islam to avoid going to War, i wonder how many boxing fans ripped him up and down for that one. I wonder how many ALI fans jumped ship when they found out he wouldn't fight for his country...

The sport of Boxing will always come first to me, but having a favorite fighter that you support through thick and thin envokes passion and excitement. Some of my past favorites have let me down and i no longer support them. Pac has done nothing to change my opinion of him (as of yet).

Excellent post, mate.

When people speak of Ali's greatness, they barely even brought up that draft dodging incident. If Manny is never proven to have used drugs/PEDs, several years from now he will be considered a legend with that allegation just being a footnote in his career. People might even forget about it.

And yes, Manny never claimed GOAT status. He also never claimed P4P king/champ status nor that he's the greatest.