The Ref.....

Now i'm suprised I've not seen more of this on here, reference the Mosley/ Floyd fight.

Did anyone else think the ref was slightly premature in getting involved in the fight? Quite a few times I'd hoped he would let them work it out, but made it quite stop start by stopping any inside work at all and roughing up. This would have helped Mosley ALOT in my opinion if he was allowed to rough Floyd up more.

Similar to Cortez in the Hatton fight.

Maybe this is because of where I'm from, I do feel in the UK refs let far more go ad fighters can wrestle their way out and break themselves, I feel we often see 12 rounds with no ref involvment at all. Maybe that's just me though. Many will argue that isn't boxing and the ref should be doing that. I just prefer the rough and tumble.

Take nothing away from the guy who ref'd the Mosley/ Fliyd fight, he is one of my favourite refs. I don't know his name, he is simply known as "big black camp ref" to us.

I don't think there can be any complaints towards Kenny Bayless. He asked them to fight out of the clinches and when it wasn't happening, he'd break them..

I don't know where some of these comments come from, to be honest.. I don't see it helping Shane, considering it wasn't like Mayweather wasn't RIGHT there all night..

not to even mention, that when Floyd was hurt and was holding, Bayless was STILL breaking them, wanting the punches to continue to be thrown. If anything, at that point in the fight, it was HELPING Mosley, because Floyd was hurt and holding.

During the Hatton fight, Floyd roughed HATTON up on the inside when they were holding..

There were not more comments about the Ref, because you're grabbing at straws if you think that he didn't do an exceptional job of being what he's supposed to be: barely noticeable in the ring.

Both me and the six people watching the fight found him very noticable at times. So much so he nearly took punches as he was getting involved when it wasn't needed. Watched the fight again today and I still think that.

Like I said, I think he is one of, if not the best refs in the game. But I found him a little too interfering at times.

Not clutching at anything, I thought Floyd would win before the fight started ad he did EXACTLY what I thought he would. Mosley and Hatton would not have won even if I was the ref and let it become a free for all.

I was just saying that on this occasion I found him slightly too intrusive, maybe because of the style the two fought with he needed to be (e.g: punch then clinch)

My main point was a comparsion between US and UK refs and wat they let go

He reffed as well as he could... If he left them in together any longer, Floyd's elbow/shoulder or Shane's head would have been an issue..

Plus most of the time when the clinched, they were locked in tight...

I did think at some stages that he's pretty persistent and quick to get them separated, but I don't think it was wrong at all..

I think bayless did fine. I could have been any ref in there and there would be complaints....it wasn't anything that the ref did that was the cause of that loss. It was what happened while they were fighting that made the difference. You could have had no ref and mosley would have still lost.

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Originally Posted by 0james0

Now i'm suprised I've not seen more of this on here, reference the Mosley/ Floyd fight.

Did anyone else think the ref was slightly premature in getting involved in the fight? Quite a few times I'd hoped he would let them work it out, but made it quite stop start by stopping any inside work at all and roughing up. This would have helped Mosley ALOT in my opinion if he was allowed to rough Floyd up more.

Similar to Cortez in the Hatton fight.

Maybe this is because of where I'm from, I do feel in the UK refs let far more go ad fighters can wrestle their way out and break themselves, I feel we often see 12 rounds with no ref involvment at all. Maybe that's just me though. Many will argue that isn't boxing and the ref should be doing that. I just prefer the rough and tumble.

Take nothing away from the guy who ref'd the Mosley/ Fliyd fight, he is one of my favourite refs. I don't know his name, he is simply known as "big black camp ref" to us.

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He was nothing like Cortez in the Hatton-Floyd fight Cortez was poor.

Kenny Bayless did a jod job he ask them to work out of the clinch when the never he broke them up,did fine imo.

He also says the words "keep it clean" far too often!

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Originally Posted by 0james0

He also says the words "keep it clean" far too often!

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:rolleyes:

Bayless did a great job. If people feel like he interfered too much, they also have to realize his hand was forced early. The incident when when mosely slipped on the inside and was prone and mayweather thought about hitting him till he saw his glove was touching the mat... and the point when mosely bulldozed mayweather back into the ropes.

If a ref thinks its gonna be that kind of fight early, its better to break them before something happens (like when Cotto threw clottey down) and one of the fighters is unable to continue or decides to retaliate. It was the biggest fight that could be made. As a ref you can't let it turn into a some kind of controversial incident because theres too much riding on it.

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Originally Posted by J_Undisputed

Bayless did a great job. If people feel like he interfered too much, they also have to realize his hand was forced early. The incident when when mosely slipped on the inside and was prone and mayweather thought about hitting him till he saw his glove was touching the mat... and the point when mosely bulldozed mayweather back into the ropes.

If a ref thinks its gonna be that kind of fight early, its better to break them before something happens (like when Cotto threw clottey down) and one of the fighters is unable to continue or decides to retaliate. It was the biggest fight that could be made. As a ref you can't let it turn into a some kind of controversial incident because theres too much riding on it.

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That's true.

Clearly it was just me and the people with me watching, just towards the end when we just wanted to see it open up, it seemed he was in there slightly too sharp.

To be straight, I'm not saying he is a bad ref or he did a bad job, I've always thought of him as excellent, just me being picky I think there were a few he could have let ride out, that's all.

But I do agree, both fighters looked like they had some dirt in them that night, so maybe he was delibratley playing it safe.