The ball is FIRMLY in Mayweather's court
Although most people predicted a Pacquiao win over Margarito, it must've been somewhat of a shock to most people (as it was to me) to watch Pacquiao systematically dismantle a man almost twice his size (at least it seemed that way). Margarito is a big welterweight... he could fight much higher... and Pacquiao is a blown-up lightweight. It was the proverbial David vs. Goliath battle. To watch Pac destroy Margo in that manner was simply amazing. And Pacquiao took some shots as well. The ropes were not his friend. But all the credit in the world to Pacquiao. The guy is simply amazing!
All that being said, the ball is now on Mayweather's court. Oh... he and his fans will continue to spout off on how Floyd is really the world's best fighter pound-for-pound... but the arguments are starting to ring hollow. Oh... "Floyd is quicker, faster, boxes better, has better defense... blah, blah, blah." It's time to either shet or get off the pot. Pacquiao has far exceeded anyone's expectations of him. When he beat De La Hoya... DLH was over-the-hill. When he demolished Hatton... Hatton was overrated (he was). But when he TKO'ed Cotto... personally I began to think... "This is a true phenomenom of boxing." Then he takes on the 5' 11" Margarito and beats him to a pulp.
What has Mayweather done? First... he comes off a self-imposed retirement and beats up a woefully undersized JMM. Then, in what was admittedly an impressive showing, he shutout the ATG Mosley. But to even the most casual observer, it was obvious that Mosley seemed to age overnight. After tagging Floyd in the 2nd round of the fight, he seemed to take the rest of the fight off. What the hell happened, I don't know.
So if you're keeping score... who's got the upper hand in the p4p argument? IMO, it's Manny, hands down. Floyd, well known for his yapping and his posturing, needs to get off his high horse and challenge Pacquiao outright. Until then, the majority of fans are siding with Manny in the p4p argument.
Thoughts?
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There is no question. Pac is p4p king and will go into the history book as an ATG listed way above Floyd.
Floyd is a moron. All this time going by is just aging him and allowing pac to get comfortable at 147. Where pac will put on a legal aggrevated assualt on the primitive Mayweathers.
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There is no question. Pac is p4p king and will go into the history book as an ATG listed way above Floyd.
Floyd is a moron. All this time going by is just aging him and allowing pac to get comfortable at 147. Where pac will put on a legal aggrevated assualt on the primitive Mayweathers.
That's one way to look at it, or..
That, or Mayweather is taking a year off letting his body get fresh while Pac is going through training camp after training camp and fighting more and taking more punishment than he should, so makes himself a little more worn. So that by the time they fight Floy's body would have had a year of rest and would be fresh, while Pacquiao is a little more battle worn and Floyd boxing wise is about as smart as Hopkins.
In my opinion, Pacquiao's time in the ring is aging him more than floyd's time out of the ring at this moment. Floyd has said as far back as the Hatton fight, that your body deteriorates a little more every time you're in the ring. So if in a time span, Floyd has fought twice, and Pacquiao has fought 4 times and taken more punishment then Floyd has in his 2 the advantage is going to be Floyd's. This is why I think Arum is stupid going on this filler fight in house crusade to showcase Pac as the guy Floyd won't fight. Because the fight is going to be signed and when it does Pac is going to have wished he didn't have those filler fights in between, because regardless of how he looked. As time goes on, he focuses less on boxing, and takes a little more punishment when he does it. Not good imo.
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Julius Rain
There is no question. Pac is p4p king and will go into the history book as an ATG listed way above Floyd.
Floyd is a moron. All this time going by is just aging him and allowing pac to get comfortable at 147. Where pac will put on a legal aggrevated assualt on the primitive Mayweathers.
That's one way to look at it, or..
That, or Mayweather is taking a year off letting his body get fresh while Pac is going through training camp after training camp and fighting more and taking more punishment than he should, so makes himself a little more worn. So that by the time they fight Floy's body would have had a year of rest and would be fresh, while Pacquiao is a little more battle worn and Floyd boxing wise is about as smart as Hopkins.
In my opinion, Pacquiao's time in the ring is aging him more than floyd's time out of the ring at this moment.
Actually floyd would never compare to pac when it comes to battle worn. Floyd can take all the vacation he wants. It will not help him against pac. If anything pac is staying in shape and floyd is getting rusty.
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Julius Rain
There is no question. Pac is p4p king and will go into the history book as an ATG listed way above Floyd.
Floyd is a moron. All this time going by is just aging him and allowing pac to get comfortable at 147. Where pac will put on a legal aggrevated assualt on the primitive Mayweathers.
That's one way to look at it, or..
That, or Mayweather is taking a year off letting his body get fresh while Pac is going through training camp after training camp and fighting more and taking more punishment than he should, so makes himself a little more worn. So that by the time they fight Floy's body would have had a year of rest and would be fresh, while Pacquiao is a little more battle worn and Floyd boxing wise is about as smart as Hopkins.
In my opinion, Pacquiao's time in the ring is aging him more than floyd's time out of the ring at this moment.
Either way. With every astounding victory, Pac gets new fans, and loads of new respect. Whereas Floyd... he continues to spout off as to why he's the world's p4p... but less and less people are listening.
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Well said TitoFan,
I am a believer. I had my doubts and tried to resist as a Hatton and Barrera fan, but Pac keeps on destroying bigger men and doing it in a devastating and brutal manner. He is a wrecking ball. It doesn't matter who you are because he is stronger than you, can take anything you have and will throw 10 for every 3 that you throw.
Mayweather likes to throw 40 punches a round max and that's against small guys like Marquez who he knows can't reach him nor put a dent. What's he going to throw against Manny? Probably less because he will know what's going to be coming right back and if he does open up then we are going to see Floyd getting bust up in a way never quite seen before.
Mayweather is inactive and reluctant to fight. Pacquiao right now is all wrong for him and I want to see it. He has his devoted followers, but they are living in yesterday. Mayweather hasn't been spectacular in years and his time has passed. Bring on Mayweather v Pacquiao! Huzzah!
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Julius Rain
There is no question. Pac is p4p king and will go into the history book as an ATG listed way above Floyd.
Floyd is a moron. All this time going by is just aging him and allowing pac to get comfortable at 147. Where pac will put on a legal aggrevated assualt on the primitive Mayweathers.
That's one way to look at it, or..
That, or Mayweather is taking a year off letting his body get fresh while Pac is going through training camp after training camp and fighting more and taking more punishment than he should, so makes himself a little more worn. So that by the time they fight Floy's body would have had a year of rest and would be fresh, while Pacquiao is a little more battle worn and Floyd boxing wise is about as smart as Hopkins.
In my opinion, Pacquiao's time in the ring is aging him more than floyd's time out of the ring at this moment. Floyd has said as far back as the Hatton fight, that your body deteriorates a little more every time you're in the ring. So if in a time span, Floyd has fought twice, and Pacquiao has fought 4 times and taken more punishment then Floyd has in his 2 the advantage is going to be Floyd's. This is why I think Arum is stupid going on this filler fight in house crusade to showcase Pac as the guy Floyd won't fight. Because the fight is going to be signed and when it does Pac is going to have wished he didn't have those filler fights in between, because regardless of how he looked. As time goes on, he focuses less on boxing, and takes a little more punishment when he does it. Not good imo.
Completely agree with your post. In that post fight interview last night Pac looked really really tired, he looked actually like he was out of it. Thats not a good thing in terms of a future fight against Floyd.
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You know what? In all honesty... Pac doesn't NEED Floyd. He can retire right now, and his legacy is secure as one of the best fighters ever. And in all likelihood he'll rate above Floyd. Boy, won't THAT be a thorn on Floyd's side. But the best part is.... Manny doesn't even CARE. Floyd cares about all this shet a hell of a lot more than Pacquaio does.
Manny can right now ride off into the sunset, and leave the babbling Floyd talking to himself and his dwindling "legion" of fans about how he could've taken Manny. And the boxing public in general will be laughing at Floyd and his antics.
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Actually Majesty has a very valid point. The annoying Kellerman in his post fight commentary was talking about how Ray Leonard caught a battle worn Hagler (his chief rival at the time) near the age of 33 with lots of wear and tear on his body, especially after brutal wars with Hearns and Mugabi. He was saying how Manny didn't look like the Manny in '08. And he was right, Pac in my eyes in the Margarito fight was slowing down and getting hit more, of course Margarito's big ass size advantage also has to factor into it as Steward and Lampley also chimed in. But Kellerman did make a good observation. Whether truthful or not on Floyd's part, who knows.
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Majesty
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Julius Rain
There is no question. Pac is p4p king and will go into the history book as an ATG listed way above Floyd.
Floyd is a moron. All this time going by is just aging him and allowing pac to get comfortable at 147. Where pac will put on a legal aggrevated assualt on the primitive Mayweathers.
That's one way to look at it, or..
That, or Mayweather is taking a year off letting his body get fresh while Pac is going through training camp after training camp and fighting more and taking more punishment than he should, so makes himself a little more worn. So that by the time they fight Floy's body would have had a year of rest and would be fresh, while Pacquiao is a little more battle worn and Floyd boxing wise is about as smart as Hopkins.
In my opinion, Pacquiao's time in the ring is aging him more than floyd's time out of the ring at this moment. Floyd has said as far back as the Hatton fight, that your body deteriorates a little more every time you're in the ring. So if in a time span, Floyd has fought twice, and Pacquiao has fought 4 times and taken more punishment then Floyd has in his 2 the advantage is going to be Floyd's. This is why I think Arum is stupid going on this filler fight in house crusade to showcase Pac as the guy Floyd won't fight. Because the fight is going to be signed and when it does Pac is going to have wished he didn't have those filler fights in between, because regardless of how he looked. As time goes on, he focuses less on boxing, and takes a little more punishment when he does it. Not good imo.
Completely agree with your post. In that post fight interview last night Pac looked really really tired, he looked actually like he was out of it. Thats not a good thing in terms of a future fight against Floyd.
actually if you watch the espn interview after the fight....He look a lot better. He was just tired, it is always hard to be interviewed after a fight.
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Majesty
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Julius Rain
There is no question. Pac is p4p king and will go into the history book as an ATG listed way above Floyd.
Floyd is a moron. All this time going by is just aging him and allowing pac to get comfortable at 147. Where pac will put on a legal aggrevated assualt on the primitive Mayweathers.
That's one way to look at it, or..
That, or Mayweather is taking a year off letting his body get fresh while Pac is going through training camp after training camp and fighting more and taking more punishment than he should, so makes himself a little more worn. So that by the time they fight Floy's body would have had a year of rest and would be fresh, while Pacquiao is a little more battle worn and Floyd boxing wise is about as smart as Hopkins.
In my opinion, Pacquiao's time in the ring is aging him more than floyd's time out of the ring at this moment.
Either way. With every astounding victory, Pac gets new fans, and loads of new respect. Whereas Floyd... he continues to spout off as to why he's the world's p4p... but less and less people are listening.
"astounding" victory?!!!! some of you are such sheep. Any person with half a brain could have predicted the result last night. 90% of tis board thought Pac was going to KNOCK HIM OUT quickly. What is astounding is how easily such a one dimensional and slow as molasses cheater like Margo was able to hit Pac. Just make sure you don't jump off the bandwagon when Mayweather puts on a master class against Pac.
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Majesty
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Julius Rain
There is no question. Pac is p4p king and will go into the history book as an ATG listed way above Floyd.
Floyd is a moron. All this time going by is just aging him and allowing pac to get comfortable at 147. Where pac will put on a legal aggrevated assualt on the primitive Mayweathers.
That's one way to look at it, or..
That, or Mayweather is taking a year off letting his body get fresh while Pac is going through training camp after training camp and fighting more and taking more punishment than he should, so makes himself a little more worn. So that by the time they fight Floy's body would have had a year of rest and would be fresh, while Pacquiao is a little more battle worn and Floyd boxing wise is about as smart as Hopkins.
In my opinion, Pacquiao's time in the ring is aging him more than floyd's time out of the ring at this moment.
Either way. With every astounding victory, Pac gets new fans, and loads of new respect. Whereas Floyd... he continues to spout off as to why he's the world's p4p... but less and less people are listening.
Mayweather puts on a master class against Pac.
Floyd needs to grow some balls first. ;)
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Pac has two fights left at the max. This is the only real fight where he has eaten shots in multiple digits in multiple rounds. I think this is because Margarito is better than people give him credit for. He will eat the punches to get his own in and won't get on his bike like Cotto, cover up all night like Clottey nor go to sleep like Hatton. I bet this Margarito would have given Mosley fits too and would have taken rounds against Mayweather on sheer activity.
Otherwise Pac hasn't been taking all that much wear and tear in the higher weights. Cotto for a few rounds, a couple of Clottey uppercuts and a now a Margarito who just wouldn't quit. For me it shows Pac can take it and there are only a couple of dozen rounds to go tops. He can handle it.
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Majesty
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Julius Rain
There is no question. Pac is p4p king and will go into the history book as an ATG listed way above Floyd.
Floyd is a moron. All this time going by is just aging him and allowing pac to get comfortable at 147. Where pac will put on a legal aggrevated assualt on the primitive Mayweathers.
That's one way to look at it, or..
That, or Mayweather is taking a year off letting his body get fresh while Pac is going through training camp after training camp and fighting more and taking more punishment than he should, so makes himself a little more worn. So that by the time they fight Floy's body would have had a year of rest and would be fresh, while Pacquiao is a little more battle worn and Floyd boxing wise is about as smart as Hopkins.
In my opinion, Pacquiao's time in the ring is aging him more than floyd's time out of the ring at this moment.
Either way. With every astounding victory, Pac gets new fans, and loads of new respect. Whereas Floyd... he continues to spout off as to why he's the world's p4p... but less and less people are listening.
"astounding" victory?!!!! some of you are such sheep. Any person with half a brain could have predicted the result last night. 90% of tis board thought Pac was going to KNOCK HIM OUT quickly. What is astounding is how easily such a one dimensional and slow as molasses cheater like Margo was able to hit Pac. Just make sure you don't jump off the bandwagon when Mayweather puts on a master class against Pac.
We all knew what the result would be, but it's the manner of the victory. Floyd wouldn't even step in the ring with the likes of Cotto or Margarito. Pac fucks them up. You can keep on harping about Floyds superior skills, but he won't fight anyone under 35. :rolleyes:
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Pac has two fights left at the max. This is the only real fight where he has eaten shots in multiple digits in multiple rounds. I think this is because Margarito is better than people give him credit for. He will eat the punches to get his own in and won't get on his bike like Cotto, cover up all night like Clottey nor go to sleep like Hatton. I bet this Margarito would have given Mosley fits too and would have taken rounds against Mayweather on sheer activity.
Otherwise Pac hasn't been taking all that much wear and tear in the higher weights. Cotto for a few rounds, a couple of Clottey uppercuts and a now a Margarito who just wouldn't quit. For me it shows Pac can take it and there are only a couple of dozen rounds to go tops. He can handle it.
Totally agree with that statement, in the kind of shape Margo was in for that fight and his complete focus being on it, he would have made it all the way to the end against Shane, and if Shane would have worn out then Margo would have done the damage some of us thought he was going to do.
