Martinez beats mayweather...

I have said it for a while now, i think martinez beats mayweather! If Sergio fought Floyd at around 147lbs welter, then Floyd would win i think but that won't happen!

If Floyd fought Sergio at 160lbs Middleweight then Sergio wins.

The margins would shrink a little @ 154lbs, But i would still favour martinez. The key would be if Sergio can make that weight comfortably without draining his strength.

Mayweather has struggled with technical southpaws before and Martinez isn’t just technical he’s also a natural middleweight that has speed, punching power and is difficult to catch. Sergio Martinez has basically all the attributes that Manny does and even more too. Floyd Mayweather’s idea of a nightmare opponent? I believe so.

Am i crazy?

I like Martinez and would not underestimate him at any weight he felt comfortable at. The bigger the fight, the more dangerous he is! I don't think I'd call him a technical fighter though, he comes at odd angles and fights with his hands too low much of the time. I agree with everything else you said, and like you, I enjoy watching him operate.

Floyd would never take the risk.

Martinez wouldnt agree to the drug testing

Floyd-Martinez at 154 is the #1 fight I'd like to see in the sport and has been for a while. If Martinez wins spectacularly against Jr. (dramatic KO), his profile might be raised enough that it becomes a big enough $$ fight for Floyd to take. And winning it would be a legacy win and would clearly put him over Manny p4p, so I don't think it's an impossibility. But all that would have to come together for it to be even 50% likely.

martinez would have to fight with his hands up or floyd would tattoo his face before martinez connects with any effective punches. floyd doesn't leave himself open for punches the way martinez requires his opponents to.

it goes without saying that the higher the weight the bigger the advantage for martinez... and it makes little sense for mayweather to go outside his ideal weight. he has everything to lose and nothing to gain. the dude is rich as hell and his 0 means everything to him.

i'd like to see the fight but i don't see either fighter agreeing to the disadvantages that would be required of either of them. mayweather the weight and martinez the weight/drug testing.

Hmm I think we can agree that Martinez is the harder puncher of the two and if mayweather comes forward it would favour Martinez's style. However knowing how smart Mayweather is, why would he give that advantage to Martinez?

As far as how the fight would play out, I would believe it would be akin to Martinez vs Macklin. Both staying in the middle of the ring trying to get their lead foot outside of their opponent and trying to pop shot. Both boxers are accurate and I have to admit Martinez has a mean proper right handed jab which he can counter Mayweather's lead right with. If there's a 'flaw' with a Philly shell style, I would say that your jab can't be as quick or as snappy coming from the hip, although it would come from an awkward angle.

This one is a tough one and I'll say why I believe that to be the case. Martinez has shown that he can adapt in the ring to change his style, his game-plan depending on the situation. This of course is one Mayweather's greater attributes, that being the case and hands speed being equal (perhaps a small edge to mayweather since he has shorter arms, I think it would come down to a good bigger boxer beating a smaller good boxer.

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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

martinez would have to fight with his hands up or floyd would tattoo his face before martinez connects with any effective punches. floyd doesn't leave himself open for punches the way martinez requires his opponents to.

it goes without saying that the higher the weight the bigger the advantage for martinez... and it makes little sense for mayweather to go outside his ideal weight. he has everything to lose and nothing to gain. the dude is rich as hell and his 0 means everything to him.

i'd like to see the fight but i don't see either fighter agreeing to the disadvantages that would be required of either of them. mayweather the weight and martinez the weight/drug testing.

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I almost forgot to add, when Martinez has his hands down, if you'll notice he generally almost always is out of the opponents range. Even though Floyd is a fast boxer, his footwork doesn't make him an explosive lunger and as such I don't think that would be too much of a threat.

Martinez might have the harder punch but will he ever connect?
Martenez will loose at welter and any catchweight. 160 is his best chance.
Floyd is no more than a welterweight and he already took a big risk by fighting cotto at his proper weight there is no reason to disadvantage himself against martinez who got his ass whooped by plaster boy margarito..

*Ur under estimating Mayweather. May might not want to just jump in the ring with certain fighters, but if the money's right... Martinez ,IMO..is more awekward than good. I think his power is over rated as well as his talent. He's good, but not great. When a good fighter meets greatness, greatness wins.

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Originally Posted by imp

Martinez might have the harder punch but will he ever connect?
Martenez will loose at welter and any catchweight. 160 is his best chance.
Floyd is no more than a welterweight and he already took a big risk by fighting cotto at his proper weight there is no reason to disadvantage himself against martinez who got his ass whooped by plaster boy margarito..

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Yeah he lost 8 freaking years ago, that's like saying bhop and jmm lost to some no names in their debuts, really doesn't have much relevance. Especially in martinez case the dude had no amateur background and didn't start fighting till like 20, I'm not saying martinez beats mayweather, but would make for an entertaining fight.

What is the basis for this insinuation that Martinez is juiced? This thread is the first I've ever seen that suggested.

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Originally Posted by shza

What is the basis for this insinuation that Martinez is juiced? This thread is the first I've ever seen that suggested.

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I think its simple hatred/dislike tryin to stir shit up.

Martinez probably has the best chance of anyone in the sport presently of taking Mayweathers 0 and philosopher is right in that weight would be a key factor.

Having said that I just don't see Floyd losing at any weight. 147 would never happen and probably 154 also so maybe a catch for 160 but I don't see Floyd going for it. Floyd knows full well that if he accepted and offered catch weight for the 160 crown that he would be crucified by his haters for fighting a lessor version of Martinez. Floyd knows full well that he fights in the shadows of Robinson and Leonard.

Floyd's ability to judge and act on distance while closing his body off is w/o equal today. His straight right hand and various sometimes hybrid check hooks from the same side win the day. He can also do this off the back foot which is astonishing countering. Sure Floyd has had issues with southpaws in Corley and Judah but he figured in out and Martinez for all his speed at 160 is nowhere near the same end as those two.

The Mayweathers don't like southpaws and pretty much all of them outside of Floyd have said so publicly just like Tunney did. Its because Floyds (shell) or whatever TF you want to call it was developed for in large part other orthodox fighters. Darren Barker was just a little short and put up a tremendous show against Martinez. The man is easy to hit because he wants to engage more then defend himself. He simply will never catch up to Floyd like he did Barker.

People have made far to much out of Martinez's ko of Williams. A fellow southpaw who has no clue how to fight a fellow southpaw and a speedy recovery for him I hope for after the bike accident.

Sorry for the short story. Floyd wins this via a right hand marathon.

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Originally Posted by IamInuit

Martinez probably has the best chance of anyone in the sport presently of taking Mayweathers 0 and philosopher is right in that weight would be a key factor.

Having said that I just don't see Floyd losing at any weight. 147 would never happen and probably 154 also so maybe a catch for 160 but I don't see Floyd going for it. Floyd knows full well that if he accepted and offered catch weight for the 160 crown that he would be crucified by his haters for fighting a lessor version of Martinez. Floyd knows full well that he fights in the shadows of Robinson and Leonard.

Floyd's ability to judge and act on distance while closing his body off is w/o equal today. His straight right hand and various sometimes hybrid check hooks from the same side win the day. He can also do this off the back foot which is astonishing countering. Sure Floyd has had issues with southpaws in Corley and Judah but he figured in out and Martinez for all his speed at 160 is nowhere near the same end as those two.

The Mayweathers don't like southpaws and pretty much all of them outside of Floyd have said so publicly just like Tunney did. Its because Floyds (shell) or whatever TF you want to call it was developed for in large part other orthodox fighters. Darren Barker was just a little short and put up a tremendous show against Martinez. The man is easy to hit because he wants to engage more then defend himself. He simply will never catch up to Floyd like he did Barker.

People have made far to much out of Martinez's ko of Williams. A fellow southpaw who has no clue how to fight a fellow southpaw and a speedy recovery for him I hope for after the bike accident.

Sorry for the short story. Floyd wins this via a right hand marathon.

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When you come right down to picking anyone over Floyd it gets difficult, but I like Martinez and want to see this fight happen. I think Martinez has as good chance.