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This would be the most interesting fight since Hagler vs Leonard for me.
Shame it can never happen, because matching their styles and abilities would be fascinating.
I think Ward will end up being regarded in the same kind of league as Hagler, Leonard and Duran!
I think you have to go with Floyd in that one... by a hair. Ward is definitely in his league. The biggest difference is that Floyd is faster, harder to hit, and more punishing offensively. He has all the intangibles Ward has but with a little more technique and natural ability. He also would have perhaps a larger reach advantage than Dawson had, but with much better inside fighting skills.
Agreed, although I do think Floyd is clearly a shade better. It's a shame Ward didn't come along 10 years earlier(or more), I think either Calzaghe or Hopkins would've matched up beautifully with him.
It's really hard to see anyone beating Ward now with his work ethic especially, who even gives him a good fight?
I think your dreaming!Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Who is the best undefeated fighter that Ward has faced? His last opponent was made to drop down in weight and had lost to Pascal.
Ill give you that right now he is the best of the supermiddles. Although I think if Froch were to fight him again and put more pressure on, start faster like he did against Bute that he could do Ward.
Ward struggled with Bika big time to the point he felt he had to hold for dear life or be stopped. This isnt a future great and if Calzaghe was to come out of retirement and they fought at lightheavy id still rather bet my house on Calzaghe.
Ward is early in his career, given time I think he will leave a better legacy than Floyd. You cannot say Ward has avoided anyone, with Floyd you can.
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Originally Posted by rossI think your dreaming!Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Who is the best undefeated fighter that Ward has faced? His last opponent was made to drop down in weight and had lost to Pascal.
Ill give you that right now he is the best of the supermiddles. Although I think if Froch were to fight him again and put more pressure on, start faster like he did against Bute that he could do Ward.
Ward struggled with Bika big time to the point he felt he had to hold for dear life or be stopped. This isnt a future great and if Calzaghe was to come out of retirement and they fought at lightheavy id still rather bet my house on Calzaghe.
Time will tell
What about SSM vs. PBF at Lightweight?Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
You know which one got me thinking last night and they did fight at the same weight Ward vs. RJJ?
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Originally Posted by CutMeMickWhat about SSM vs. PBF at Lightweight?Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
You know which one got me thinking last night and they did fight at the same weight Ward vs. RJJ?
I personally believe SSM v PBF @ LW, Shane would absolutely crush him and stop him inside of 9 rounds.
And Prime RJJ smokes anyone 175 and below.
Ward is a great fighter but he's not on PBF's level IMO and if they were the same weight and prime vs prime I see Floyd outfoxing him.
I don't fancy Ward's chances against RJJ at 168 prime for prime either, but I personally don't think anyone in the history of boxing beats RJJ at 168 prime for prime.
Floyd beats moseley at any prime.
Roy beats anyone at any era.
Martinez!
I think ward gives him a really tough fight, mostly because he's fast enough with his feet and elusiveness to make it hard for Roy to land, and he fights more within himself, we saw how Roy fought better opposition, and he had more trouble then say Mayweather because he wasn't the type of guy that really controlled distance, he lured guys in or try to overwhelm them with his speed. I don't think those tactics would work against Ward that well especially when you watch RJJ-Griffin I. That fight is a perfect example of a far more limited guy than Ward with a similar style giving RJJ a ton of trouble. I think I would favor RJJ, but its not a no brainer in his favor. This is the second best 168 IMO ever. He didn't have that much trouble with Bika I'm not sure what fight people were seeing... Calzaghe had just as much if not more trouble with Bika.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vPW7jVXLCo ward-Bika
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytire9fLs5w Calzaghe-Bika
I too believe that RJJ was god from 160-175 as well as Mosley being the best lightweight with Duran being a close second (Speed trumps almost anything)Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickWhat about SSM vs. PBF at Lightweight?Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
You know which one got me thinking last night and they did fight at the same weight Ward vs. RJJ?
I personally believe SSM v PBF @ LW, Shane would absolutely crush him and stop him inside of 9 rounds.
And Prime RJJ smokes anyone 175 and below.
I think your forgetting Pernell Whitaker who would beat both.Quote:
Originally Posted by DavilaJonesI too believe that RJJ was god from 160-175 as well as Mosley being the best lightweight with Duran being a close second (Speed trumps almost anything)Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickWhat about SSM vs. PBF at Lightweight?Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
You know which one got me thinking last night and they did fight at the same weight Ward vs. RJJ?
I personally believe SSM v PBF @ LW, Shane would absolutely crush him and stop him inside of 9 rounds.
And Prime RJJ smokes anyone 175 and below.
Damn...How could I forget sweet pete? I stand to be corrected. Yes Pernell would be victorious.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI think your forgetting Pernell Whitaker who would beat both.Quote:
Originally Posted by DavilaJonesI too believe that RJJ was god from 160-175 as well as Mosley being the best lightweight with Duran being a close second (Speed trumps almost anything)Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickWhat about SSM vs. PBF at Lightweight?Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
You know which one got me thinking last night and they did fight at the same weight Ward vs. RJJ?
I personally believe SSM v PBF @ LW, Shane would absolutely crush him and stop him inside of 9 rounds.
And Prime RJJ smokes anyone 175 and below.