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I feel the same way about both of them. I don't think so, as good as they both are, why would they need them?
They are both getting old for their weight classes, so I suppose it's possible.
We see a lot of supposed evidence thrown around but as of today they are both clean. What do you think?
If they are on something then their test would have comeback positive dont you think? The Marquez picture with the acne could be prove that hes on something but that something would have to be legal since hes not failing any test. Kinda how Floyd uses those injections that are only legal in Vegas, if he fought somewhere else he'd fail the test for PED
Floyd Mayweather Jr. uses illegal injections
I mean its possible that their on something that hasnt been found to be illegal in combat sports. So if Marquez and Manny are on something that isnt illegal yet would they still be considered cheats?
not unless you count drinkin' your own p!$$ as a ped...
Manny said Marquez lost the fight because Marquez only drank his own urine, but to win, he has to eat his own $#!t, make strong for the fight !
$#!t, maybe Marquez took Manny's advice and did eat his own $#!t for that last rematch where Marquez won by KO. Who knows...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2kQV2qHUhE
Who knows. Good chance everyone that can afford the good stuff is on them. But to address the "Floyd uses illegal injections" rumor Arum started.
1)they aren't illegal
2)Keith Kizer came out saying that Floyd doesn't even really use them. Simply type in "Keith Kizer says Floyd Mayweather doesn't use illegal injections" and it will come right up for you. Writer by professionals from the mouth of the(at the time) head of the NSAC.(not a rival promoter)
Yes. Of course they are. Who would think otherwise?
People talk about it like Floyd invented the practice, or that he's the only guy who has done it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
The practice is old as fuck. Muhammad Ali used cortisone injections in his hands too. Don't really hear many people talking about how Muhammad Ali was a cheater.
Here's Pacheco talking about that shit.
Muhammad Ali: His Life and Times - Thomas Hauser - Google Books
No neither fighter takes PED and work hard in the gym to achieve their greatness.
JMM is desperate to rise in the status Pac has. In the end JMM will pay the ultimate price for being so desperate. Time will tell. Even today not all mexican got love for JMM like they had love for the past great mexicano's.
Shane Mosely NEVER failed a test... The testing in boxing is a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012
Yup... I don't know why people still have this illusion that the athletic commissions are stamping out cheating.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Mosley, Holyfield, Gamboa, ect never tested positive. It took the FBI busting the lab that provided them and finding their names on reciepts. When Margacheato tried to use loaded handwraps, who caught him and stopped him? The commission? No, Mosley's trainer. Who caught Resto after he did irreversible damage to his opponent with loaded gloves? The commission? No. It was Billy Collins' dad who felt Resto's glove after the fight. Lance Armstrong raced hundreds of times and never got caught, and he was the biggest steroid cheat in history.
When you consider that a lot of substances (EPO, HGH, ect) were not tested for for many years and big steroid distributers like BALCO knew all the ins and outs of drug testing and even developed a product that was untraceable by any test, things like that make it hard to believe in the lie that commissions do much to stop these guys.
It's been well documented that Manny's camp, when he was negotiating with Floyd the first time around, sent two emails to Floyd's camp: one asked what the penalty was if Manny tested positive and the second asked that, in the event of a positive test, that the results could be kept a secret for the integrity of boxing and the interest in the fight.
If you're one of these guys that thinks all his favorite fighters are clean because they're "good guys" and if they were cheating they'd be caught, keep living the dream lol
"Well-documented" only singularly and exclusively by Ted Atlas and him alone, whom to this day have not, cannot, and will not be able to support this failed allegation nor be able to submit proof to give credence to this "fallacy" of a claim and improve on its status to somewhat be better than a "manufactured lie" fabricated by a disgruntled individual whose sole intent is malicious in nature at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerYup... I don't know why people still have this illusion that the athletic commissions are stamping out cheating.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Mosley, Holyfield, Gamboa, ect never tested positive. It took the FBI busting the lab that provided them and finding their names on reciepts. When Margacheato tried to use loaded handwraps, who caught him and stopped him? The commission? No, Mosley's trainer. Who caught Resto after he did irreversible damage to his opponent with loaded gloves? The commission? No. It was Billy Collins' dad who felt Resto's glove after the fight. Lance Armstrong raced hundreds of times and never got caught, and he was the biggest steroid cheat in history.
When you consider that a lot of substances (EPO, HGH, ect) were not tested for for many years and big steroid distributers like BALCO knew all the ins and outs of drug testing and even developed a product that was untraceable by any test, things like that make it hard to believe in the lie that commissions do much to stop these guys.
It's been well documented that Manny's camp, when he was negotiating with Floyd the first time around, sent two emails to Floyd's camp: one asked what the penalty was if Manny tested positive and the second asked that, in the event of a positive test, that the results could be kept a secret for the integrity of boxing and the interest in the fight.
If you're one of these guys that thinks all his favorite fighters are clean because they're "good guys" and if they were cheating they'd be caught, keep living the dream lol
And if you're asking...Ted Atlas who?
The answer to that.. is him who attributes in one hand, each and every Mike Tyson's greatness to his influence and presence during the time when the young world champ was with him and Cus d'Amato, early times... and the other, him who in parallel to this claim maintain that the reason for Mike's decline vis-a-vis, is the consequence of his absence, when the ex champ banished him off the camp for various reasons none of which seemingly unjustified.
So the "well-documented" angle loses steam if you are a stickler for the truth or even, if you are just the ordinary average Joe who has a brain and, who is not out to look for "utter stupidity" in believing and hanging on each and every word emanating...coming out of a loose cannon and the likes of "Uncle Ted".
Marquez is not using and never has. Pacquiao isn't currently using. But even Stevie Wonder could see he used before
Marquez has surpassed Pacquiao. He's always been the better fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Mexico has always loved the Marquez brothers
Atlas is very well respected in Boxing. He doesn't have a reputation for lying nor has he ever had any issues with Pacquiao. So it makes no sense for him to make something like that up.Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus"Well-documented" only singularly and exclusively by Ted Atlas and him alone, whom to this day have not, cannot, and will not be able to support this failed allegation nor be able to submit proof to give credence to this "fallacy" of a claim and improve on its status to somewhat be better than a "manufactured lie" fabricated by a disgruntled individual whose sole intent is malicious in nature at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerYup... I don't know why people still have this illusion that the athletic commissions are stamping out cheating.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Mosley, Holyfield, Gamboa, ect never tested positive. It took the FBI busting the lab that provided them and finding their names on reciepts. When Margacheato tried to use loaded handwraps, who caught him and stopped him? The commission? No, Mosley's trainer. Who caught Resto after he did irreversible damage to his opponent with loaded gloves? The commission? No. It was Billy Collins' dad who felt Resto's glove after the fight. Lance Armstrong raced hundreds of times and never got caught, and he was the biggest steroid cheat in history.
When you consider that a lot of substances (EPO, HGH, ect) were not tested for for many years and big steroid distributers like BALCO knew all the ins and outs of drug testing and even developed a product that was untraceable by any test, things like that make it hard to believe in the lie that commissions do much to stop these guys.
It's been well documented that Manny's camp, when he was negotiating with Floyd the first time around, sent two emails to Floyd's camp: one asked what the penalty was if Manny tested positive and the second asked that, in the event of a positive test, that the results could be kept a secret for the integrity of boxing and the interest in the fight.
If you're one of these guys that thinks all his favorite fighters are clean because they're "good guys" and if they were cheating they'd be caught, keep living the dream lol
And if you're asking...Ted Atlas who?
The answer to that.. is him who attributes in one hand, each and every Mike Tyson's greatness to his influence and presence during the time when the young world champ was with him and Cus d'Amato, early times... and the other, him who in parallel to this claim maintain that the reason for Mike's decline vis-a-vis, is the consequence of his absence, when the ex champ banished him off the camp for various reasons none of which seemingly unjustified.
So the "well-documented" angle loses steam if you are a stickler for the truth or even, if you are just the ordinary average Joe who has a brain and, who is not out to look for "utter stupidity" in believing and hanging on each and every word emanating...coming out of a loose cannon and the likes of "Uncle Ted".
Tyson tried to fuck Atlas 12 year old cousin. It's the reason why they had problems. And it was Cus not Tyson who dismissed him from the camp