how many points should Ali have lost fouling?

even 12 year old Vendettos sees his grabbing, clinching, pulling down on his opponents' necks round after round, holding, LONG PERIODS of posing/inactivity/clowning during fights, backing up to the ropes/refusing to engage his opponent (LOVED IT WHEN JOE FRAZIER grabbed Ali by the wrists during a rope a dope nonsense AND YANKED HIM back into the ring LAUGHING and whipping hooks to the exhausted Ali's liver. OH JOE GREAT FIGHT YO!!!!!!
@p4pking I'll see you tomorrow night about 9 p.m.....oh and bring Blundetto with you bwaha

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

even as a 12 year old I can see his grabbing, clinching, pulling down on his opponents' necks round after round, holding, LONG PERIODS of posing/inactivity/clowning during fights, backing up to the ropes/refusing to engage his opponent (LOVED IT WHEN JOE FRAZIER grabbed Ali by the wrists during a rope a dope nonsense AND YANKED HIM back into the ring LAUGHING and whipping hooks to the exhausted Ali's liver. OH JOE GREAT FIGHT YO!!!!!!

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Fixed it for you:p

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

even as a 12 year old I can see his grabbing, clinching, pulling down on his opponents' necks round after round, holding, LONG PERIODS of posing/inactivity/clowning during fights, backing up to the ropes/refusing to engage his opponent (LOVED IT WHEN JOE FRAZIER grabbed Ali by the wrists during a rope a dope nonsense AND YANKED HIM back into the ring LAUGHING and whipping hooks to the exhausted Ali's liver. OH JOE GREAT FIGHT YO!!!!!!

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Fixed it for you:p

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Loool

Wlad learned from the best.

Too Numerous To Count

* He should have been DQ'd in the Joe Frazier II bout in 1974.

By my calculation 8625 points.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

even 12 year old Vendettos sees his grabbing, clinching, pulling down on his opponents' necks round after round, holding, LONG PERIODS of posing/inactivity/clowning during fights, backing up to the ropes/refusing to engage his opponent (LOVED IT WHEN JOE FRAZIER grabbed Ali by the wrists during a rope a dope nonsense AND YANKED HIM back into the ring LAUGHING and whipping hooks to the exhausted Ali's liver. OH JOE GREAT FIGHT YO!!!!!!
@p4pQueen I'll see you tomorrow night about 9 p.m.....oh and bring Blundetto with you bwaha

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bwa-ha see you tomorrow night p4pQueen...hey Im just pasting what you already wrote before the successive previous entry in chronological order.

Yeah, people dog modern guys who hold, clinch, and foul but guys like Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson did that shit all time.

I Blame The Referee's,

Who were all in Muhammad's 'corner', or were in fear of later retaliation.

All were afraid to penalize him a point, in fear of being called a 'racist'.

In my Book,

Joe Frazier wins the 2nd-bout, by way of Points. I could count at least 7-Times
where 'Clutching Cassius' should have been penalized.

Yep, Ali's tactics in the 2nd Frazier fight turned the fight into pure $#!t...



...and one of the worst refs in Boxing history, tony perez, did nothing about it!

Correcto Mundo,

January 1974

Joe Frazier earns a 12-Round Unanimous Decision over 'Clutching Cassius' who
is correctly penalized 7-Points for incessant holding and fouling.

Cassius drops to #3 in the Heavyweight Rankings.

Joe Frazier moves to #1.

Ken Norton stays at #2, despite getting KO'd in 2 by George Foreman.

Cassius is now nicknamed 'The Clutch' by the Press.

Liberace reclaims the moniker 'The Greatest'.

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Yeah, people dog modern guys who hold, clinch, and foul but guys like Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson did that shit all time.

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That's true! I think the average boxing fan of today is more knowledgable or, at least, wants to see a level playing field.
I think most of the excessive holding is do to piss poor refereeing. Ali used to hit and hold, hit and hold round after round and it did make me mad but I'd be just as disgusted with the referee.
Boxing is a brutal sport and protecting yourself by holding is something we have to put up with to a point. It's the referees job to hold it to an acceptable level.
Yes, Ali should have lost plenty of points for holding and I blame the referees for not taking them.

I just don't see Clay as the best HW ever , let alone best fighter ever. I didn't care for his style at all.

Cassius Clay

Had more stinkeroo's than good performances.

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Cassius Clay

Had more stinkeroo's than good performances.

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@Bill Paxtom you need to learn how to properly use the apostrophe.