Groves's Loss. What does it do to Froch's "Legacy"?

So George Groves has lost another World title fight, this time he was expected to win. I like Groves, but I'm not one of these guys that is blind to the facts (Ross);D
But the point of this thread is about Froch. He's built this legacy thing on the Bute & Kessler win and the Groves fights.
Well Bute has done nothing since to prove he was anything, Kessler has done nothing to prove he wasn't finished, and now Groves has so far only proved he is European level.
Of course, Froch and his fans will say that they've all Been "Cobra'd", but personally I don't buy that .
IMO, Froch's legacy is that he was a decent World Champion without ever being the no.1 in the division, he had a granite chin , which he needed as his skiilset wasn't good enough, and as Gary Player would say he worked hard and earned himself a lot of luck.
Good but not great ! I'm sure some people will see it differently. ;)

Nothing.

Groves- got a lucky punch in on Froch #1 = Got a gift decision on DeGale #1 = Got splattered in Froch #2 = and is now where he should have been at Froch #1, and that is a guy that was developing but rushed too quickly for his own good.

Groves had no business in the ring with Froch anyways. So, Froch is cool...

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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Nothing.

Groves- got a lucky punch in on Froch #1 = Got a gift decision on DeGale #1 = Got splattered in Froch #2 = and is now where he should have been at Froch #1, and that is a guy that was developing but rushed too quickly for his own good.

Groves had no business in the ring with Froch anyways. So, Froch is cool...

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Bit harsh there on groves he must of been landing lucky punches all night then cause he beat him up for the first 6 or so rounds and he beat degale I remember watching it. Are you implying it was a robbery ?

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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Nothing.

Groves- got a lucky punch in on Froch #1 = Got a gift decision on DeGale #1 = Got splattered in Froch #2 = and is now where he should have been at Froch #1, and that is a guy that was developing but rushed too quickly for his own good.

Groves had no business in the ring with Froch anyways. So, Froch is cool...

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No business in the ring with Froch?
So how come it took so long for Froch to finish him off in both fights?
I ask you to rewatch the 6th round of the 1st fight and then tell me Groves landed a lucky punch?
So if Groves is so shit, why is it a big deal that Froch beat him?
See, this is exactly what I mean.
Maybe Froch ain't so "cool"

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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Nothing.

Groves- got a lucky punch in on Froch #1 = Got a gift decision on DeGale #1 = Got splattered in Froch #2 = and is now where he should have been at Froch #1, and that is a guy that was developing but rushed too quickly for his own good.

Groves had no business in the ring with Froch anyways. So, Froch is cool...

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Lucky punches don't exist fella.

Groves is good but not there yet.

Froch was great but is exposed against guys like dirrel and Ward

Groves lost a close PTS decision to a prime fighter in his backyard. Froch decapitated him their rematch then retired. You could argue it highlights the superior class Froch was operating at.

You could argue that Froch took a lot out of Groves as well, and just had a bad night the first time, it kind of looks that way. He's a guy I never rooted for, but I think the early stoppage actually robbed him of a legitimate come from behind spanking honestly, and he probably couldn't have fought much worse that night.

Frochs legacy isn't about superiority. It's that he was a blood and guts warrior that searched out tough fights and made high drama in them.

His legacy wasn't made by the groves fights. He over achieved and that's about it. He was a good fighter but not great.

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Frochs legacy isn't about superiority. It's that he was a blood and guts warrior that searched out tough fights and made high drama in them.

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1. That's not what Carl Froch would say.
2. That statement above was tarnished by the last 12 months of his career where he turned down fight after fight because all he wanted was Chavez jr. In Vegas.

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

So George Groves has lost another World title fight, this time he was expected to win. I like Groves, but I'm not one of these guys that is blind to the facts (Ross);D
But the point of this thread is about Froch. He's built this legacy thing on the Bute & Kessler win and the Groves fights.
Well Bute has done nothing since to prove he was anything, Kessler has done nothing to prove he wasn't finished, and now Groves has so far only proved he is European level.
Of course, Froch and his fans will say that they've all Been "Cobra'd", but personally I don't buy that .
IMO, Froch's legacy is that he was a decent World Champion without ever being the no.1 in the division, he had a granite chin , which he needed as his skiilset wasn't good enough, and as Gary Player would say he worked hard and earned himself a lot of luck.
Good but not great ! I'm sure some people will see it differently. ;)

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It does nothing at all to it. I'm not sure what luck had to with any of it either. You can be great without ever being technically great. Froch has a lot of very good wins over very dominant fighers.

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Originally Posted by powerpuncher

His legacy wasn't made by the groves fights. He over achieved and that's about it. He was a good fighter but not great.

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How can somebody over achieve in Boxing? I don't get that at all.

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Originally Posted by ono

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

So George Groves has lost another World title fight, this time he was expected to win. I like Groves, but I'm not one of these guys that is blind to the facts (Ross);D
But the point of this thread is about Froch. He's built this legacy thing on the Bute & Kessler win and the Groves fights.
Well Bute has done nothing since to prove he was anything, Kessler has done nothing to prove he wasn't finished, and now Groves has so far only proved he is European level.
Of course, Froch and his fans will say that they've all Been "Cobra'd", but personally I don't buy that .
IMO, Froch's legacy is that he was a decent World Champion without ever being the no.1 in the division, he had a granite chin , which he needed as his skiilset wasn't good enough, and as Gary Player would say he worked hard and earned himself a lot of luck.
Good but not great ! I'm sure some people will see it differently. ;)

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It does nothing at all to it. I'm not sure what luck had to with any of it either. You can be great without ever being technically great. Froch has a lot of very good wins over very dominant fighers.

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When I mentioned "Luck" , I alluded to the old Gary Player quote. "The harder I work, the luckier I get." Meaning Froch wasn't lucky, he made his own luck through the hard work and dedication he possessed.

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Originally Posted by ono

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Originally Posted by powerpuncher

His legacy wasn't made by the groves fights. He over achieved and that's about it. He was a good fighter but not great.

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How can somebody over achieve in Boxing? I don't get that at all.

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I dont agree with @powerpuncher at all by the way

but im thinking, can you over achieve in boxing? berto fought mayweather this weekend, the biggest fight around, even though he lost is just being in there an over achievement?

The so called lucky punch was one that grove predicted did he not?