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Ali & Tyson the best heavyweights ever'
BBC boxing pundit Steve Bunce believes the Muhammad Ali of the late 1960s and the Mike Tyson of the mid-1980s are the greatest heavyweight boxers of all time.
Speaking during the Costello and Bunce Boxing podcast, Bunce explains how the two former world champions would "beat any heavyweight in their day".
BBC boxing correspondent Mike Costello agrees, adding that Ali v Tyson is one of the "all-time fantasy fights".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0554qzy
Boxing legend Mike Tyson joins the podcast to reflect on his early career with trainer Cus d’Amato, and explain why he calls Anthony Joshua “the future of boxing”.
Costello and Bunce also remember Muhammad Ali, one year after his passing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0551jc1
Mike Tyson: Anthony Joshua must stay clear of the distractions success can bring
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Anthony Joshua must prove he can handle the pressure and distractions of holding world heavyweight titles, says former champion Mike Tyson.
Joshua, 27, knocked out Wladimir Klitschko in May to add the WBA title to the IBF strap he already held.
But Tyson - a two-time world heavyweight champion - has warned the position can be "a crown of thorns".
In a wide-ranging interview with BBC Radio 5 live boxing's Mike Costello, Tyson outlined his belief in Joshua's ability, gave his views on a potential Floyd Mayweather-Conor McGregor bout and offered insight into the man who turned him into the youngest heavyweight champion in history.
Tyson describes Joshua as a "happy fighter" who is "fast for a big guy", and his admiration grew when the Briton survived the first knockdown of his career to stop Klitschko in the 11th round at Wembley Stadium.
He places huge emphasis on the heart Joshua showed to "finish the job", insisting such grit is the most important quality in the sport.
"Joshua has the potential to do a lot of things," said Tyson, 50. "He's got the look and throws a lot of hard punches. But there is so much pressure on him. I was in Dubai and there are big posters of him there."
Tyson was stopped from entering the UK in 2013 because of previous convictions, one of which saw him serve three years of a six-year jail sentence imposed in 1992 for raping a teenage beauty-pageant contestant.
In a career packed with incident, he also regained the WBC world title after his spell in jail, bit the ear of Evander Holyfield during a 1997 bout and filed for bankruptcy in 2002, three years before his final fight.
He told 5 live's boxing podcast: "The heavyweight championship will drive people crazy, you know that right? It's like a crown of thorns. Everyone wants to use you for something. It's like being the President of the United States.
"Joshua can't get the big head. He has to focus on fighting. When you start focusing on money, girls or whatever it is, it's going downhill. No religion, nothing, you can do those things when the fight is over. Let's see if he can handle that stuff.
"It's his time. I could be wrong, I'm not the gospel of boxing but he impressed me with Klitschko."
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A similarity between Tyson and Joshua can be drawn as both men found boxing after difficult spells in their youth.
By his own admission, Tyson lived in the "hell hole" neighbourhood of Brownsville in Brooklyn, New York. Joshua meanwhile, pled guilty to possession of cannabis with the intent to supply just over a year before he won Olympic gold in 2012.
Tyson, whose father had left and mother had died by the time he was 16, found Cus D'Amato - who became his legal guardian, taught him to read and write, and coached him on the road to boxing stardom.
His new book, 'Iron Ambition', focuses on his relationship with D'Amato, who Tyson says forced fighters to visualise success and believe in themselves.
"I never had a father figure but I knew what it was like to have a father being with Cus," he said. "My objective was to make my father happy. He wanted to have a heavyweight champion of the world and that's what I wanted to do.
"That's the 25-million-dollar question. How did I get hooked to that old white Italian guy? What did he say to me to make me believe this other life is over and I stick with the boxing world? He made me worship the fighters.
"I came with no self-esteem and he turned me into a megalomaniac. I know he gave Muhammad Ali instruction for the George Foreman fight. He was an amazing man.
"He'd give you the reaffirmation that you are the greatest fighter in the world and no man can beat you."
D'Amato died a year before Tyson became the youngest heavyweight champion in history at 20, beating Trevor Berbick in two rounds he believes his tough late trainer would have called "sloppy".
Iron Mike had fought 28 times in 20 months as a pro to land the WBC title but concedes the loss of the man guiding him ushered in a "dark period".
"Everyone else was trying to get me for their own reasons, I was just lost without him," added Tyson, who took champagne to D'Amato's grave after his title win.
"I'd be a bum, imagine what I'd be without meeting that guy. I don't think I'd be in good shape. I'm so happy I met that old gentleman. He was a good man."
Almost 12 years have passed since Tyson ended his career with 50 wins and six losses.
Alongside television work he still studies the sport and talks up Tyson Fury's credentials when prompted, insisting the former world heavyweight champion "really knows how to fight".
His belief in the boxing craft of Conor McGregor is not so apparent when talk turns to the potential meeting of the two-weight UFC champion and Floyd Mayweather.
"Conor is a personality," added Tyson. "It's very rare to get a personality like that. Floyd doesn't have that.
"I don't believe that is going to happen. If it's boxing then Conor doesn't stand a chance. He would in UFC but if it's a boxing match it's not going to be a fight."
Asked if he would still attend, his response is energetic: "Yes, I would."
Clearly the man who admits he would watch bouts day and night as a youth is still hooked on the sport which plucked him and countless others from difficult beginnings.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/40159757
Tyson the best hw ever so name his best win ?
...mind you this is Steve Bunce saying this so you might want to take his words with some of thisQuote:
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Whilst I know Steve has a slight tendency to exaggerate and get over excited he is not that far wrong with Tyson bringing excitement back into boxing and being one of the most explosive heavyweight champions ever.
One thing that cannot be argued against is that Ali and Tyson did more for interest in the heavyweight boxing division in their respective eras than any other HW in history.
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Ok, so you're just gonna disagree... or do you have a counter argument.
Ummm, I was going to say exactly what I said and leave you to loving those two fighters which is of course your right to do. Not everyone likes the same thing and that's ok.Quote:
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Ok, so you're just gonna disagree... or do you have a counter argument.
I think there has never been a bigger hype job than Muhammad Ali, was he good? Yes. Was he great? Yes. Was he the best ever of All-Time? NO. His style went from exciting and brash as a youngster to his mouth being the biggest part of his game and as a boxing fan, I'm not really all that keen on that and that's MY opinion and people may not agree with it, but that's fine they can like what they like. If you like out of the ring stuff, then Ali is your guy....I like in the ring stuff so Ali is NOT my guy and because he always said "I'm the greatest! I'm the greatest!" well saying it is fine and dandy but it doesn't make it so.
Mike Tyson was a throwback and I enjoyed his career as much as anyone else, he had a media storm around him that was huge as well. My only lament of Tyson is that his career seemed sandwiched between the 70's guys and the 90's guys and if he had a fair crack at either group during his prime, then WOW that would have been very special. Not diminishing what he did at all, but I think waiting for Holyfield to be a real heavyweight and plowing through some older guys gave Tyson a chance to take his eye off the prize.....plus the style he used had it's flaws, AGE being a big factor in those flaws. I enjoyed Tyson, I think he was as over world wide as any other great before him but part of what I respect about Tyson so much is that he really and still to this day respects those who came before him. It's like Jimi Hendrix guys would tell him he's the greatest and he'd shy away from that and show some humility which when you're THAT talented, that's big time respect in my book.
So basically as we all have known I'm not a huge Ali fan, Tyson was great but I wish he would have gotten his big time matchups in his prime (as I am certain he wishes as well). Tyson vs Lewis happened waaaaaaaaay late, Tyson vs Holyfield happened late, Tyson vs Foreman and Tyson vs Bowe and Tyson vs Morrison NEVER happened I think all of those would have been brilliant fights which the boxing fans would have loved.
Respect you views but Ali proved he was the greatest and you can not get better than beating Liston, Frazier and Foreman. No other great heavyweight has a better record.
I would add Joe Louis was huge during the political upheaval that was going on during his reign and Dempsey was the champion at the height of boxing. So they were huge too.
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Ok, so you're just gonna disagree... or do you have a counter argument.
I think there has never been a bigger hype job than Muhammad Ali, was he good? Yes. Was he great? Yes. Was he the best ever of All-Time? NO. His style went from exciting and brash as a youngster to his mouth being the biggest part of his game and as a boxing fan, I'm not really all that keen on that and that's MY opinion and people may not agree with it, but that's fine they can like what they like. If you like out of the ring stuff, then Ali is your guy....I like in the ring stuff so Ali is NOT my guy and because he always said "I'm the greatest! I'm the greatest!" well saying it is fine and dandy but it doesn't make it so.
Mike Tyson was a throwback and I enjoyed his career as much as anyone else, he had a media storm around him that was huge as well. My only lament of Tyson is that his career seemed sandwiched between the 70's guys and the 90's guys and if he had a fair crack at either group during his prime, then WOW that would have been very special. Not diminishing what he did at all, but I think waiting for Holyfield to be a real heavyweight and plowing through some older guys gave Tyson a chance to take his eye off the prize.....plus the style he used had it's flaws, AGE being a big factor in those flaws. I enjoyed Tyson, I think he was as over world wide as any other great before him but part of what I respect about Tyson so much is that he really and still to this day respects those who came before him. It's like Jimi Hendrix guys would tell him he's the greatest and he'd shy away from that and show some humility which when you're THAT talented, that's big time respect in my book.
So basically as we all have known I'm not a huge Ali fan, Tyson was great but I wish he would have gotten his big time matchups in his prime (as I am certain he wishes as well). Tyson vs Lewis happened waaaaaaaaay late, Tyson vs Holyfield happened late, Tyson vs Foreman and Tyson vs Bowe and Tyson vs Morrison NEVER happened I think all of those would have been brilliant fights which the boxing fans would have loved.
All of that..... and you may have overlooked the essence of my post:
"......Ali and Tyson did more for interest in the heavyweight boxing division in their respective eras than any other HW in history....."
Does any of that say I think they were the best?
That's what I thought. ;)