But you should still fight Kelly Pavlik before you retire bohchamp.
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But you should still fight Kelly Pavlik before you retire bohchamp.
I like your love for JC
I would have never guessed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
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Funny thing is I HATE JOE CALZAGHE ;D
Joe can retire anytime he wants he does not have to fight Pavlik, there will always be another challenger comming up. He wasted his time with Warren and fighting Ottke victims for far too long, and should have been richer than Naz and Lewis but he has very little left.
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Originally Posted by Master
Pavlik is the final bout. This there will always be someone else is rubbish. If Pavlik was not around then Joe could retire soundly but when his own fans scream for it, its a no brainer.
The Germans will say Arthur Abraham
The Nottingham people will say Froch
The Yanks will say Jermaine Taylor.........
I only know two people that will scream Carl Froch. Carl and Tam.
arthur isn't ready to move up for awhile.
Hell I think that he could retire now or after the Jones fight.
Im not bothered if Froch fights JC. I want JC to beat Pavlik, its a career defining fight
why ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by Master
Taylor lost his last 2
Froch has not fought 1name
Abraham is at 160lbs
The world wants Calzaghe vs Pavlik.
just watched Calzaghie being interviewed by Bunce.
Joe had a very funny lisp!! Has he a bad mouth injury?
He's never had a lisp before!
Tc
well if dawson beats tarver and another name, people will be saying joe should fight him
....i'll admit i like calzaghe, there are different opinions on how, but the guy wins maybe not against the people we'd like, but i'll at least give him that. Even against scrubs for any fighter to be undefeated and champ for so long is pretty damn decent......i guess. He aint beating pavlik though.
You know Markus... I still feel bad for Neg repping you in like your tenth post. I think it was a Calzaghe thread. I'll say that since me being WRONG doing that I've seen that you're a quality poster.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Taylor lost his last 2
Froch has not fought 1name
Abraham is at 160lbs
The world wants Calzaghe vs Pavlik.
You are a TRUE fan... You are a somewhat scorned Calzaghe fan from what I gathered... But not just a Calzaghe fan but a true fan of the sport which I respect!
Does the boxing world want this fight? Hell yes!
But as a bit of a Clazaghe fan(I think he is a legit champ and has showed grit in many a bout) I'll say... I'm not sure.
This is why...
Would I like to se the fight? Hell yes!
Do I think that the win would do anymore for his legacy? I don't know... Nor do any of us.
I'll explain...
Pavlik is one of my favorite fighters... but what Pavlik does after a hypothetical loss would add or detract what happens to the legacy...
Why risk it?
You're an undefeated, great champion...
Retire.
He's nothing but smart in retirement.
I think that, yes, he wasted time with Warren and was far to pretected cuz he had the skillset to spark a world wide following but in the end...
you need to look at the big picture...
if it's a legacy... I don't know(and we all won't for a few year) what a Pavlik win would do for him but an undefeated record and 13 year reign... I know what that does.
:cool:
All good points. Calzaghe: Pavlik is the fight thats wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Taylor lost his last 2
Froch has not fought 1name
Abraham is at 160lbs
The world wants Calzaghe vs Pavlik.
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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONYou know Markus... I still feel bad for Neg repping you in like your tenth post. I think it was a Calzaghe thread. I'll say that since me being WRONG doing that I've seen that you're a quality poster.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Taylor lost his last 2
Froch has not fought 1name
Abraham is at 160lbs
The world wants Calzaghe vs Pavlik.
You are a TRUE fan... You are a somewhat scorned Calzaghe fan from what I gathered... But not just a Calzaghe fan but a true fan of the sport which I respect!
Does the boxing world want this fight? Hell yes!
But as a bit of a Clazaghe fan(I think he is a legit champ and has showed grit in many a bout) I'll say... I'm not sure.
This is why...
Would I like to se the fight? Hell yes!
Do I think that the win would do anymore for his legacy? I don't know... Nor do any of us.
I'll explain...
Pavlik is one of my favorite fighters... but what Pavlik does after a hypothetical loss would add or detract what happens to the legacy...
Why risk it?
You're an undefeated, great champion...
Retire.
He's nothing but smart in retirement.
I think that, yes, he wasted time with Warren and was far to pretected cuz he had the skillset to spark a world wide following but in the end...
you need to look at the big picture...
if it's a legacy... I don't know(and we all won't for a few year) what a Pavlik win would do for him but an undefeated record and 13 year reign... I know what that does.
:cool:
Thanks for the love im blushing!
Seriouly though Joe spent 8yrs of his peak looking for big fights and now finally they are here he is going to walk away from what would probably been seen as a career best win (should he win).
Styles make fights and Pavlik vs Calzaghe would be a total war and the winner would probably be seen as the new P4P1. If they both win there next fight it just has to happen.
Well it all started with his comments before each fight , "THEY CANT TAKE MY POWER" and of course lots of second rate fighters , such as Rick Thornberry ( who had been stopped by Henry Wharton beforehand ) did take his power , but time and time again in his annoying voice he said it over and over , lots of other reasons also but hey thats another story , and to be honest if that was the only thing he did to piss me off , it would have been enough for me to HATE THE PRICK ! GO FUCK YOURSELF CALZAGHEQuote:
Originally Posted by leggywhy ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
I am also a big Calzaghe fan and agree that it would seem like unfinished busness if he does not fight Pavlik.
Providing Calzaghe and Pavlik both look good in there next fights.
I used to think he sounded like a mug with those comments too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlWell it all started with his comments before each fight , "THEY CANT TAKE MY POWER" and of course lots of second rate fighters , such as Rick Thornberry ( who had been stopped by Henry Wharton beforehand ) did take his power , but time and time again in his annoying voice he said it over and over , lots of other reasons also but hey thats another story , and to be honest if that was the only thing he did to piss me off , it would have been enough for me to HATE THE PRICK ! GO FUCK YOURSELF CALZAGHEQuote:
Originally Posted by leggywhy ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
But he was CLEARLY copying the Naz-mouth style... and was probably told to act like that ;)
(i'm not trying to make you hate him less.. i know that's impossible;D)
Joe Calzaghe would get KO'ed in a toe to toe war with Kelly Pavlik.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONYou know Markus... I still feel bad for Neg repping you in like your tenth post. I think it was a Calzaghe thread. I'll say that since me being WRONG doing that I've seen that you're a quality poster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
You are a TRUE fan... You are a somewhat scorned Calzaghe fan from what I gathered... But not just a Calzaghe fan but a true fan of the sport which I respect!
Does the boxing world want this fight? Hell yes!
But as a bit of a Clazaghe fan(I think he is a legit champ and has showed grit in many a bout) I'll say... I'm not sure.
This is why...
Would I like to se the fight? Hell yes!
Do I think that the win would do anymore for his legacy? I don't know... Nor do any of us.
I'll explain...
Pavlik is one of my favorite fighters... but what Pavlik does after a hypothetical loss would add or detract what happens to the legacy...
Why risk it?
You're an undefeated, great champion...
Retire.
He's nothing but smart in retirement.
I think that, yes, he wasted time with Warren and was far to pretected cuz he had the skillset to spark a world wide following but in the end...
you need to look at the big picture...
if it's a legacy... I don't know(and we all won't for a few year) what a Pavlik win would do for him but an undefeated record and 13 year reign... I know what that does.
:cool:
Thanks for the love im blushing!
Seriouly though Joe spent 8yrs of his peak looking for big fights and now finally they are here he is going to walk away from what would probably been seen as a career best win (should he win).
Styles make fights and Pavlik vs Calzaghe would be a total war and the winner would probably be seen as the new P4P1. If they both win there next fight it just has to happen.
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Originally Posted by ICBJoe Calzaghe would get KO'ed in a toe to toe war with Kelly Pavlik.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON
Thanks for the love im blushing!
Seriouly though Joe spent 8yrs of his peak looking for big fights and now finally they are here he is going to walk away from what would probably been seen as a career best win (should he win).
Styles make fights and Pavlik vs Calzaghe would be a total war and the winner would probably be seen as the new P4P1. If they both win there next fight it just has to happen.
Agreed but it wouldn't be a toe to toe war;)
I agree with POB, he has washed his prime years and he cannot get them back. He beats Pavlik and people will say he was over rated. Also Joe is falling to bits, injuries and achieving everything in his career, he is where Lennox was when he was about to fight Tyson, that is Roy Jones.
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Originally Posted by Master
Good analogy!
No it won't but Pavlik will catch up to Calzaghe at some point, and then we will see how Calzaghe's chin responds because he has never been in there with a KO puncher before.Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBJoe Calzaghe would get KO'ed in a toe to toe war with Kelly Pavlik.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
Agreed but it wouldn't be a toe to toe war;)
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Originally Posted by ICBJoe Calzaghe would get KO'ed in a toe to toe war with Kelly Pavlik.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON
Thanks for the love im blushing!
Seriouly though Joe spent 8yrs of his peak looking for big fights and now finally they are here he is going to walk away from what would probably been seen as a career best win (should he win).
Styles make fights and Pavlik vs Calzaghe would be a total war and the winner would probably be seen as the new P4P1. If they both win there next fight it just has to happen.
Pavlik comes foward in straight lines and would love imo in a war.
Pavlik is not a big single shot puncher let alone at 168lbs. Joe slaps him up.
You already know my reply about fighters coming forward in a straight line against Calzaghe so i won't repeat it again...........Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBJoe Calzaghe would get KO'ed in a toe to toe war with Kelly Pavlik.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
Pavlik comes foward in straight lines and would love imo in a war.
Pavlik is not a big single shot puncher let alone at 168lbs. Joe slaps him up.
But Pavlik has a very powerful right hand with is a Southpaw's weakness and Calzaghe gets hit with it all the time especially against Reid, Woodhall etc...........
I think Pavlik showed good power at 166 against Taylor. Because one body shot changed the tempo of the fight, Calzaghe will box no way he goes to war, it just depends on how Calzaghe's chin holds up against Pavlik. And it also depends on how long Calzaghe can stick and move and avoid getting into exchanges against Pavlik.
err.. what?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBNo it won't but Pavlik will catch up to Calzaghe at some point, and then we will see how Calzaghe's chin responds because he has never been in there with a KO puncher before.Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Agreed but it wouldn't be a toe to toe war;)
Mikkel Kessler can hit and this is probably the best puncher Calzaghe has fought but he isn't as dangerous as Pavlik in terms of power IMO, and he can't change a fight around with one punch like Pavlik can from what i've seen anyway. And Kessler only landed solid shots here and there other than that he got dominated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenstererr.. what?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBNo it won't but Pavlik will catch up to Calzaghe at some point, and then we will see how Calzaghe's chin responds because he has never been in there with a KO puncher before.Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON
Chris Eubank has got some good KO's under his belt but again look at his KO record, only average at best. Jeff Lacy had some good power but he didn't land a solid shot on Calzaghe...........
Then you have decent punchers like Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, etc. I would like to know who you really consider a real dangerous KO puncher out of Calzaghe's resume Fenster..........
Calzaghe has been decked by Mitchell, Salem, who aren't big punchers and they were both by single shots and they were both heavy knockdowns aswell i don't think Calzaghe has a granite chin by any means.
I agree with bits of dark lord al, POB, markus..
I don't hate calzaghe cause i think he isn't a good fighter, or whatever, i hate him cause he is wasted talent in a sport that i enjoy very much watching.. Dark lord al hit it on the head, when he says "he can't take my power" etc.. He talks the BIGGEST game, says he's the best fighter blah blah fucking blah, but he strayed from the US and big fights his whole career, until now.. I think Joe is a great, crafty fighter, who has a lot of heart and is extremely skilled, but it pisses me off that he'd talk smack after beating people like manfredo.. said something about hitting him so hard he broke his hand, blah blah.. He's the most pompous MORON in the media.. and that is why i hate him. ..IMO Calzaghe needs these fights to be remembered as the great fighter HE thinks he is.. If no one knew who he was and someone said "you don't know joe calzaghe? he defended his title 20 times etc.. etc.." then yeah that's great.. but to fans who know him and know how he's acted over the years, and who he's actually fought, that isn't good enough for me to feel he's the elite fighter he feels that he is..
fight roy jones, and beat him convincingly, fight kelly pavlik and beat him, and retire as one of the greatest fighters to step in the ring.. Maybe he already is one of the greatest fighters who has stepped in the ring, but how else can you prove it unless to fight the BEST of the BEST? He is finally doing that, and that is essential to his legacy.
There's something about Calzaghe's style that doesn't really appeal me for one reason or the other. Oh well, as long as he keeps winning.
It's very hard to look good against Hopkins.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkyparaQuote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
I am also a big Calzaghe fan and agree that it would seem like unfinished busness if he does not fight Pavlik.
Providing Calzaghe and Pavlik both look good in there next fights.
Maybe he was trying to copy the bantering of Naz but when it came to talking about their power between Naz and Calzaghe, Naz was the only one telling the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI used to think he sounded like a mug with those comments too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlWell it all started with his comments before each fight , "THEY CANT TAKE MY POWER" and of course lots of second rate fighters , such as Rick Thornberry ( who had been stopped by Henry Wharton beforehand ) did take his power , but time and time again in his annoying voice he said it over and over , lots of other reasons also but hey thats another story , and to be honest if that was the only thing he did to piss me off , it would have been enough for me to HATE THE PRICK ! GO FUCK YOURSELF CALZAGHEQuote:
Originally Posted by leggy
But he was CLEARLY copying the Naz-mouth style... and was probably told to act like that ;)
(i'm not trying to make you hate him less.. i know that's impossible;D)
Had Calzaghe fought Hopkins and Jones back when it mattered, Joe's career would be completely different.Quote:
Originally Posted by RP33
I also think Joe is a bit cocky when it comes to media but look at his family tree...Enzo is the grand daddy of them all!
I'm with him;);DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
me 2Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonbrunoI'm with him;);DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
That's because after the Watson fight Eubank wouldn't even go for KO's (follow-up the attack, finish fighters when he hurt them).Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBMikkel Kessler can hit and this is probably the best puncher Calzaghe has fought but he isn't as dangerous as Pavlik in terms of power IMO, and he can't change a fight around with one punch like Pavlik can from what i've seen anyway. And Kessler only landed solid shots here and there other than that he got dominated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenstererr.. what?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Chris Eubank has got some good KO's under his belt but again look at his KO record, only average at best. Jeff Lacy had some good power but he didn't land a solid shot on Calzaghe...........
Then you have decent punchers like Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, etc. I would like to know who you really consider a real dangerous KO puncher out of Calzaghe's resume Fenster..........
Calzaghe has been decked by Mitchell, Salem, who aren't big punchers and they were both by single shots and they were both heavy knockdowns aswell i don't think Calzaghe has a granite chin by any means.
All the guys you mentioned were hard punchers. You can go back through Calzaghe's 15 year career to find hard punchers.
I don't think Pavlik is a particularly devasting lights-out hitter either. If he stopped Calzaghe it would be after an accumulation as he wore the oldman down.
Questioning Calzaghe's chin is a bit silly. He was up instantly from all three knockdowns. Pavlik was bashed into a drunken mess by Taylor. Is Taylor a devastating, dynamite, dangerous puncher? Of course not. Any question marks you have over Calzaghe are doubled when aimed at Pavlik. ;)
Listen Fenster it was not one punch that rocked Pavlik he got hit with like 40 something power punchs that round and still made it. To me that means the guy has to have chin or he would of been koed. Taylor has good power but look at the fighters he faced in his defenses they were great defensive fighters that are hard to ko i mean come on. To me it was more of a denfense issue then chin issue if you ask me but just a thought.
I'm not claiming Pavlik is chinny. He takes a decent shot.
But.. Taylor smashed him into a mess, Pavlik couldn't control his legs or anything...now, in 15 years as a pro, Calzaghe hasn't even come CLOSE to being STOPPED. So there's a far bigger question mark over Pavlik's chin than Calzaghe's. That's all. ;)
I didn't question Joe Calzaghe's chin all i said is that i don't think he has a granite chin, nor do i think he has fought anyone with the power of Kelly Pavlik........Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThat's because after the Watson fight Eubank wouldn't even go for KO's (follow-up the attack, finish fighters when he hurt them).Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBMikkel Kessler can hit and this is probably the best puncher Calzaghe has fought but he isn't as dangerous as Pavlik in terms of power IMO, and he can't change a fight around with one punch like Pavlik can from what i've seen anyway. And Kessler only landed solid shots here and there other than that he got dominated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Chris Eubank has got some good KO's under his belt but again look at his KO record, only average at best. Jeff Lacy had some good power but he didn't land a solid shot on Calzaghe...........
Then you have decent punchers like Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, etc. I would like to know who you really consider a real dangerous KO puncher out of Calzaghe's resume Fenster..........
Calzaghe has been decked by Mitchell, Salem, who aren't big punchers and they were both by single shots and they were both heavy knockdowns aswell i don't think Calzaghe has a granite chin by any means.
All the guys you mentioned were hard punchers. You can go back through Calzaghe's 15 year career to find hard punchers.
I don't think Pavlik is a particularly devasting lights-out hitter either. If he stopped Calzaghe it would be after an accumulation as he wore the oldman down.
Questioning Calzaghe's chin is a bit silly. He was up instantly from all three knockdowns. Pavlik was bashed into a drunken mess by Taylor. Is Taylor a devastating, dynamite, dangerous puncher? Of course not. Any question marks you have over Calzaghe are doubled when aimed at Pavlik. ;)
I don't think Kelly Pavlik has that great of a chin either but he has great recovery skills but all this wouldn't matter against Calzaghe, the real question is can Calzaghe's chin hold up to the constant right hands of Pavlik.
You believing Pavlik will beat Calzaghe is no different to the majority thinking Lacy and Kessler would destroy him. It's the same old story. They were going to exploit all his weaknesses too ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI didn't question Joe Calzaghe's chin all i said is that i don't think he has a granite chin, nor do i think he has fought anyone with the power of Kelly Pavlik........Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThat's because after the Watson fight Eubank wouldn't even go for KO's (follow-up the attack, finish fighters when he hurt them).Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
All the guys you mentioned were hard punchers. You can go back through Calzaghe's 15 year career to find hard punchers.
I don't think Pavlik is a particularly devasting lights-out hitter either. If he stopped Calzaghe it would be after an accumulation as he wore the oldman down.
Questioning Calzaghe's chin is a bit silly. He was up instantly from all three knockdowns. Pavlik was bashed into a drunken mess by Taylor. Is Taylor a devastating, dynamite, dangerous puncher? Of course not. Any question marks you have over Calzaghe are doubled when aimed at Pavlik. ;)
I don't think Kelly Pavlik has that great of a chin either but he has great recovery skills but all this wouldn't matter against Calzaghe, the real question is can Calzaghe's chin hold up to the constant right hands of Pavlik.
Jeff Lacy struggled with mediocre fighters before his fight with Calzaghe, Kelly Pavlik is more proven and has beat good opponents to get where he is, we ain't talking Vanderpool, Sheika, old Reid, Fenster the garbage that Lacy beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterYou believing Pavlik will beat Calzaghe is no different to the majority thinking Lacy and Kessler would destroy him. It's the same old story. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI didn't question Joe Calzaghe's chin all i said is that i don't think he has a granite chin, nor do i think he has fought anyone with the power of Kelly Pavlik........Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I don't think Kelly Pavlik has that great of a chin either but he has great recovery skills but all this wouldn't matter against Calzaghe, the real question is can Calzaghe's chin hold up to the constant right hands of Pavlik.