I love Joe Calzaghe!

[ICB]

Thanks for the love im blushing!

Seriouly though Joe spent 8yrs of his peak looking for big fights and now finally they are here he is going to walk away from what would probably been seen as a career best win (should he win).

Styles make fights and Pavlik vs Calzaghe would be a total war and the winner would probably be seen as the new P4P1. If they both win there next fight it just has to happen.

Joe Calzaghe would get KO'ed in a toe to toe war with Kelly Pavlik.

Agreed but it wouldn't be a toe to toe war

No it won't but Pavlik will catch up to Calzaghe at some point, and then we will see how Calzaghe's chin responds because he has never been in there with a KO puncher before.

[Fenster]

Joe Calzaghe would get KO'ed in a toe to toe war with Kelly Pavlik.

Agreed but it wouldn't be a toe to toe war

No it won't but Pavlik will catch up to Calzaghe at some point, and then we will see how Calzaghe's chin responds because he has never been in there with a KO puncher before.

err.. what?

[ICB]

Agreed but it wouldn't be a toe to toe war

No it won't but Pavlik will catch up to Calzaghe at some point, and then we will see how Calzaghe's chin responds because he has never been in there with a KO puncher before.

err.. what?

Mikkel Kessler can hit and this is probably the best puncher Calzaghe has fought but he isn't as dangerous as Pavlik in terms of power IMO, and he can't change a fight around with one punch like Pavlik can from what i've seen anyway. And Kessler only landed solid shots here and there other than that he got dominated.

Chris Eubank has got some good KO's under his belt but again look at his KO record, only average at best. Jeff Lacy had some good power but he didn't land a solid shot on Calzaghe...........

Then you have decent punchers like Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, etc. I would like to know who you really consider a real dangerous KO puncher out of Calzaghe's resume Fenster..........

Calzaghe has been decked by Mitchell, Salem, who aren't big punchers and they were both by single shots and they were both heavy knockdowns aswell i don't think Calzaghe has a granite chin by any means.

[RP33]

I agree with bits of dark lord al, POB, markus..

I don't hate calzaghe cause i think he isn't a good fighter, or whatever, i hate him cause he is wasted talent in a sport that i enjoy very much watching.. Dark lord al hit it on the head, when he says "he can't take my power" etc.. He talks the BIGGEST game, says he's the best fighter blah blah fucking blah, but he strayed from the US and big fights his whole career, until now.. I think Joe is a great, crafty fighter, who has a lot of heart and is extremely skilled, but it pisses me off that he'd talk smack after beating people like manfredo.. said something about hitting him so hard he broke his hand, blah blah.. He's the most pompous MORON in the media.. and that is why i hate him. ..IMO Calzaghe needs these fights to be remembered as the great fighter HE thinks he is.. If no one knew who he was and someone said "you don't know joe calzaghe? he defended his title 20 times etc.. etc.." then yeah that's great.. but to fans who know him and know how he's acted over the years, and who he's actually fought, that isn't good enough for me to feel he's the elite fighter he feels that he is..

fight roy jones, and beat him convincingly, fight kelly pavlik and beat him, and retire as one of the greatest fighters to step in the ring.. Maybe he already is one of the greatest fighters who has stepped in the ring, but how else can you prove it unless to fight the BEST of the BEST? He is finally doing that, and that is essential to his legacy.

[C-Lo]

But you should still fight Kelly Pavlik before you retire bohchamp.

I am also a big Calzaghe fan and agree that it would seem like unfinished busness if he does not fight Pavlik.


Providing Calzaghe and Pavlik both look good in there next fights.

It's very hard to look good against Hopkins.

why ?

Well it all started with his comments before each fight , "THEY CANT TAKE MY POWER" and of course lots of second rate fighters , such as Rick Thornberry ( who had been stopped by Henry Wharton beforehand ) did take his power , but time and time again in his annoying voice he said it over and over , lots of other reasons also but hey thats another story , and to be honest if that was the only thing he did to piss me off , it would have been enough for me to HATE THE PRICK ! GO FUCK YOURSELF CALZAGHE

I used to think he sounded like a mug with those comments too.

But he was CLEARLY copying the Naz-mouth style... and was probably told to act like that

(i'm not trying to make you hate him less.. i know that's impossible)

Maybe he was trying to copy the bantering of Naz but when it came to talking about their power between Naz and Calzaghe, Naz was the only one telling the truth.

I agree with bits of dark lord al, POB, markus..

I don't hate calzaghe cause i think he isn't a good fighter, or whatever, i hate him cause he is wasted talent in a sport that i enjoy very much watching.. Dark lord al hit it on the head, when he says "he can't take my power" etc.. He talks the BIGGEST game, says he's the best fighter blah blah fucking blah, but he strayed from the US and big fights his whole career, until now.. I think Joe is a great, crafty fighter, who has a lot of heart and is extremely skilled, but it pisses me off that he'd talk smack after beating people like manfredo.. said something about hitting him so hard he broke his hand, blah blah.. He's the most pompous MORON in the media.. and that is why i hate him. ..IMO Calzaghe needs these fights to be remembered as the great fighter HE thinks he is.. If no one knew who he was and someone said "you don't know joe calzaghe? he defended his title 20 times etc.. etc.." then yeah that's great.. but to fans who know him and know how he's acted over the years, and who he's actually fought, that isn't good enough for me to feel he's the elite fighter he feels that he is..

fight roy jones, and beat him convincingly, fight kelly pavlik and beat him, and retire as one of the greatest fighters to step in the ring.. Maybe he already is one of the greatest fighters who has stepped in the ring, but how else can you prove it unless to fight the BEST of the BEST? He is finally doing that, and that is essential to his legacy.

Had Calzaghe fought Hopkins and Jones back when it mattered, Joe's career would be completely different.

I also think Joe is a bit cocky when it comes to media but look at his family tree...Enzo is the grand daddy of them all!

[Fenster]

No it won't but Pavlik will catch up to Calzaghe at some point, and then we will see how Calzaghe's chin responds because he has never been in there with a KO puncher before.

err.. what?

Mikkel Kessler can hit and this is probably the best puncher Calzaghe has fought but he isn't as dangerous as Pavlik in terms of power IMO, and he can't change a fight around with one punch like Pavlik can from what i've seen anyway. And Kessler only landed solid shots here and there other than that he got dominated.

Chris Eubank has got some good KO's under his belt but again look at his KO record, only average at best. Jeff Lacy had some good power but he didn't land a solid shot on Calzaghe...........

Then you have decent punchers like Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, etc. I would like to know who you really consider a real dangerous KO puncher out of Calzaghe's resume Fenster..........

Calzaghe has been decked by Mitchell, Salem, who aren't big punchers and they were both by single shots and they were both heavy knockdowns aswell i don't think Calzaghe has a granite chin by any means.

That's because after the Watson fight Eubank wouldn't even go for KO's (follow-up the attack, finish fighters when he hurt them).

All the guys you mentioned were hard punchers. You can go back through Calzaghe's 15 year career to find hard punchers.

I don't think Pavlik is a particularly devasting lights-out hitter either. If he stopped Calzaghe it would be after an accumulation as he wore the oldman down.

Questioning Calzaghe's chin is a bit silly. He was up instantly from all three knockdowns. Pavlik was bashed into a drunken mess by Taylor. Is Taylor a devastating, dynamite, dangerous puncher? Of course not. Any question marks you have over Calzaghe are doubled when aimed at Pavlik.

[Mr140]

Listen Fenster it was not one punch that rocked Pavlik he got hit with like 40 something power punchs that round and still made it. To me that means the guy has to have chin or he would of been koed. Taylor has good power but look at the fighters he faced in his defenses they were great defensive fighters that are hard to ko i mean come on. To me it was more of a denfense issue then chin issue if you ask me but just a thought.

[Fenster]

I'm not claiming Pavlik is chinny. He takes a decent shot.

But.. Taylor smashed him into a mess, Pavlik couldn't control his legs or anything...now, in 15 years as a pro, Calzaghe hasn't even come CLOSE to being STOPPED. So there's a far bigger question mark over Pavlik's chin than Calzaghe's. That's all.

[ICB]

err.. what?

Mikkel Kessler can hit and this is probably the best puncher Calzaghe has fought but he isn't as dangerous as Pavlik in terms of power IMO, and he can't change a fight around with one punch like Pavlik can from what i've seen anyway. And Kessler only landed solid shots here and there other than that he got dominated.

Chris Eubank has got some good KO's under his belt but again look at his KO record, only average at best. Jeff Lacy had some good power but he didn't land a solid shot on Calzaghe...........

Then you have decent punchers like Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, etc. I would like to know who you really consider a real dangerous KO puncher out of Calzaghe's resume Fenster..........

Calzaghe has been decked by Mitchell, Salem, who aren't big punchers and they were both by single shots and they were both heavy knockdowns aswell i don't think Calzaghe has a granite chin by any means.

That's because after the Watson fight Eubank wouldn't even go for KO's (follow-up the attack, finish fighters when he hurt them).

All the guys you mentioned were hard punchers. You can go back through Calzaghe's 15 year career to find hard punchers.

I don't think Pavlik is a particularly devasting lights-out hitter either. If he stopped Calzaghe it would be after an accumulation as he wore the oldman down.

Questioning Calzaghe's chin is a bit silly. He was up instantly from all three knockdowns. Pavlik was bashed into a drunken mess by Taylor. Is Taylor a devastating, dynamite, dangerous puncher? Of course not. Any question marks you have over Calzaghe are doubled when aimed at Pavlik.

I didn't question Joe Calzaghe's chin all i said is that i don't think he has a granite chin, nor do i think he has fought anyone with the power of Kelly Pavlik........

I don't think Kelly Pavlik has that great of a chin either but he has great recovery skills but all this wouldn't matter against Calzaghe, the real question is can Calzaghe's chin hold up to the constant right hands of Pavlik.

[Fenster]

Mikkel Kessler can hit and this is probably the best puncher Calzaghe has fought but he isn't as dangerous as Pavlik in terms of power IMO, and he can't change a fight around with one punch like Pavlik can from what i've seen anyway. And Kessler only landed solid shots here and there other than that he got dominated.

Chris Eubank has got some good KO's under his belt but again look at his KO record, only average at best. Jeff Lacy had some good power but he didn't land a solid shot on Calzaghe...........

Then you have decent punchers like Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, etc. I would like to know who you really consider a real dangerous KO puncher out of Calzaghe's resume Fenster..........

Calzaghe has been decked by Mitchell, Salem, who aren't big punchers and they were both by single shots and they were both heavy knockdowns aswell i don't think Calzaghe has a granite chin by any means.

That's because after the Watson fight Eubank wouldn't even go for KO's (follow-up the attack, finish fighters when he hurt them).

All the guys you mentioned were hard punchers. You can go back through Calzaghe's 15 year career to find hard punchers.

I don't think Pavlik is a particularly devasting lights-out hitter either. If he stopped Calzaghe it would be after an accumulation as he wore the oldman down.

Questioning Calzaghe's chin is a bit silly. He was up instantly from all three knockdowns. Pavlik was bashed into a drunken mess by Taylor. Is Taylor a devastating, dynamite, dangerous puncher? Of course not. Any question marks you have over Calzaghe are doubled when aimed at Pavlik.

I didn't question Joe Calzaghe's chin all i said is that i don't think he has a granite chin, nor do i think he has fought anyone with the power of Kelly Pavlik........

I don't think Kelly Pavlik has that great of a chin either but he has great recovery skills but all this wouldn't matter against Calzaghe, the real question is can Calzaghe's chin hold up to the constant right hands of Pavlik.

You believing Pavlik will beat Calzaghe is no different to the majority thinking Lacy and Kessler would destroy him. It's the same old story. They were going to exploit all his weaknesses too

[ICB]

That's because after the Watson fight Eubank wouldn't even go for KO's (follow-up the attack, finish fighters when he hurt them).

All the guys you mentioned were hard punchers. You can go back through Calzaghe's 15 year career to find hard punchers.

I don't think Pavlik is a particularly devasting lights-out hitter either. If he stopped Calzaghe it would be after an accumulation as he wore the oldman down.

Questioning Calzaghe's chin is a bit silly. He was up instantly from all three knockdowns. Pavlik was bashed into a drunken mess by Taylor. Is Taylor a devastating, dynamite, dangerous puncher? Of course not. Any question marks you have over Calzaghe are doubled when aimed at Pavlik.

I didn't question Joe Calzaghe's chin all i said is that i don't think he has a granite chin, nor do i think he has fought anyone with the power of Kelly Pavlik........

I don't think Kelly Pavlik has that great of a chin either but he has great recovery skills but all this wouldn't matter against Calzaghe, the real question is can Calzaghe's chin hold up to the constant right hands of Pavlik.

You believing Pavlik will beat Calzaghe is no different to the majority thinking Lacy and Kessler would destroy him. It's the same old story.

Jeff Lacy struggled with mediocre fighters before his fight with Calzaghe, Kelly Pavlik is more proven and has beat good opponents to get where he is, we ain't talking Vanderpool, Sheika, old Reid, Fenster the garbage that Lacy beat.

[Violent Demise]

err.. what?

Mikkel Kessler can hit and this is probably the best puncher Calzaghe has fought but he isn't as dangerous as Pavlik in terms of power IMO, and he can't change a fight around with one punch like Pavlik can from what i've seen anyway. And Kessler only landed solid shots here and there other than that he got dominated.

Chris Eubank has got some good KO's under his belt but again look at his KO record, only average at best. Jeff Lacy had some good power but he didn't land a solid shot on Calzaghe...........

Then you have decent punchers like Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, etc. I would like to know who you really consider a real dangerous KO puncher out of Calzaghe's resume Fenster..........

Calzaghe has been decked by Mitchell, Salem, who aren't big punchers and they were both by single shots and they were both heavy knockdowns aswell i don't think Calzaghe has a granite chin by any means.

That's because after the Watson fight Eubank wouldn't even go for KO's (follow-up the attack, finish fighters when he hurt them).
All the guys you mentioned were hard punchers. You can go back through Calzaghe's 15 year career to find hard punchers.

I don't think Pavlik is a particularly devasting lights-out hitter either. If he stopped Calzaghe it would be after an accumulation as he wore the oldman down.

Questioning Calzaghe's chin is a bit silly. He was up instantly from all three knockdowns. Pavlik was bashed into a drunken mess by Taylor. Is Taylor a devastating, dynamite, dangerous puncher? Of course not. Any question marks you have over Calzaghe are doubled when aimed at Pavlik.

Eubank was never a devastating puncher. He started going the distance more often cuz his competition level had improved. Eubank used the Watson incident as an excuse for some of the gift wins he got. Eubank knows he should of lost to Malinga and Close. So he blamed it on him having problems stopping fighters since the Watson fight. It was a bullshiit excuse. Truth is Eubank was only a slightly better fighter than them. Look at his fight with John Jarvis. Did it look like he had problems stopping him? No. He threw his right with murderous intend. No hesitation. No thoughts of Watson dancing in his head. That's cuz Jarvis was a bum. No excuse was necessary.

[smashup]

Pavlik will be destroyed by Joe and will resemble the Elephant man afterwards...way out of Pavliks league in every department
FACT

[Mr140]

Smash what has Calzaghe down to show he is way better then Pavlik i mean he in the eyes of alot of people lost to 43 year old Hopkins. Now i know Hopkins hard to look good against but come on if Pavlik does a better job on Hopkins then Calzaghe did then he has nothing then.

[Fenster]

Mikkel Kessler can hit and this is probably the best puncher Calzaghe has fought but he isn't as dangerous as Pavlik in terms of power IMO, and he can't change a fight around with one punch like Pavlik can from what i've seen anyway. And Kessler only landed solid shots here and there other than that he got dominated.

Chris Eubank has got some good KO's under his belt but again look at his KO record, only average at best. Jeff Lacy had some good power but he didn't land a solid shot on Calzaghe...........

Then you have decent punchers like Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, etc. I would like to know who you really consider a real dangerous KO puncher out of Calzaghe's resume Fenster..........

Calzaghe has been decked by Mitchell, Salem, who aren't big punchers and they were both by single shots and they were both heavy knockdowns aswell i don't think Calzaghe has a granite chin by any means.

That's because after the Watson fight Eubank wouldn't even go for KO's (follow-up the attack, finish fighters when he hurt them).
All the guys you mentioned were hard punchers. You can go back through Calzaghe's 15 year career to find hard punchers.

I don't think Pavlik is a particularly devasting lights-out hitter either. If he stopped Calzaghe it would be after an accumulation as he wore the oldman down.

Questioning Calzaghe's chin is a bit silly. He was up instantly from all three knockdowns. Pavlik was bashed into a drunken mess by Taylor. Is Taylor a devastating, dynamite, dangerous puncher? Of course not. Any question marks you have over Calzaghe are doubled when aimed at Pavlik.

Eubank was never a devastating puncher. He started going the distance more often cuz his competition level had improved. Eubank used the Watson incident as an excuse for some of the gift wins he got. Eubank knows he should of lost to Malinga and Close. So he blamed it on him having problems stopping fighters since the Watson fight. It was a bullshiit excuse. Truth is Eubank was only a slightly better fighter than them. Look at his fight with John Jarvis. Did it look like he had problems stopping him? No. He threw his right with murderous intend. No hesitation. No thoughts of Watson dancing in his head. That's cuz Jarvis was a bum. No excuse was necessary.

He looked a devastaing puncher against Jarvis

He took Jarvis clean out with one punch. After the Watson fight Eubank would hold back when he had fighters hurt. Everyone saw that (if you followed his career that is ).

I never even knew he BLAMED Watson for his performance against Malinga and Close. What EXACTLY did he say?

One of the biggest criticisms against Eubank was he fought to the level of his opposition. So, it's hardly surprising he didn't look impressive against guys he should thrash