Chavez Jr. vs. Rubio Saturday night fight thread

:action: As well as Donaire vs. Wilfredo Vazquez Jr., 2 title fights for us fans, it should be worth a look. The Card starts @ 10:00 PM ET tonight.

Feb. 4
At San Antonio (HBO): Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. vs. Marco Antonio Rubio, 12 rouds, for Chavez's WBC middleweight title; Nonito Donaire vs. Wilfredo Vazquez Jr., 12 rounds, for vacant WBO junior featherweight title; Vanes Martirosyan vs. Troy Lawry, 10 rounds, junior middleweights.

Rubio should be a solid test for Julio Jr, Rubio is a big, durable, experienced middleweight, who's got decent power and fought better competition. Chavez Jr. figures to outwork Rubio and get a decision, but it will be interesting to see how the fight plays out.
As for Donaire, I don't see Vazquez Jr. being much of a threat, Nonito will put his lights out within 6 rounds.

Who you kats got?

bump: no interest in these fights saturday?

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I'll be impressed if Chavez Jr. and Donaire knock their opponents out. The most likely results probably are Chavez Jr. winning a disputed decision and Donaire winning decisively on the cards.

Rubio is different than Chavez Jr.'s previous opponents because he can punch, but he's not a better boxer. The average KO % according to boxrec.com of Chavez Jr.'s last 10 opponents is a whopping 35%. Rubio has a 78% KO %.

Chavez Jr. hasn't lost a close decision in his career and he's had his share of draw, mixed decisions and debatable results. Consequently, I hesitate to pick Rubio in the upset because the cynic in me has trouble seeing Rubio able to win on the cards against Chavez Jr. in a Top Rank promotion. At a minimum, the outcome I can eliminate is Rubio on the cards. Chavez Jr. has never been down before as far as I know, but he's also never faced a puncher like Rubio. If I had two bets, I would place one on Rubio by KO and one on Chavez Jr. on the cards. Either way, I bet it will be an entertaining fight.

For Donaire, I don't see Vasquez as being a true test in terms of his boxing ability, but it'll be interesting to see how Donaire handles fighting at junior featherweight. I don't believe he'll have a problem with the weight and see Donaire ending this in the middle rounds.

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I'll be impressed if Chavez Jr. and Donaire knock their opponents out. The most likely results probably are Chavez Jr. winning a disputed decision and Donaire winning decisively on the cards.

Rubio is different than Chavez Jr.'s previous opponents because he can punch, but he's not a better boxer. The average KO % according to boxrec.com of Chavez Jr.'s last 10 opponents is a whopping 35%. Rubio has a 78% KO %.

Chavez Jr. hasn't lost a close decision in his career and he's had his share of draw, mixed decisions and debatable results. Consequently, I hesitate to pick Rubio in the upset because the cynic in me has trouble seeing Rubio able to win on the cards against Chavez Jr. in a Top Rank promotion. At a minimum, the outcome I can eliminate is Rubio on the cards. Chavez Jr. has never been down before as far as I know, but he's also never faced a puncher like Rubio. If I had two bets, I would place one on Rubio by KO and one on Chavez Jr. on the cards. Either way, I bet it will be an entertaining fight.

For Donaire, I don't see Vasquez as being a true test in terms of his boxing ability, but it'll be interesting to see how Donaire handles fighting at junior featherweight. I don't believe he'll have a problem with the weight and see Donaire ending this in the middle rounds.

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I've been hoping someone flattened Julio Jr. for years, Rubio might just be that man. ;)

Donaire always seems bigger than his opponents, I imagine he'll look bigger than Vazquez Jr., even though he's the one moving up to Jr. Featherweight. (122 lbs)

Donaire comes off like a monster but I am beginning to wonder about his courage. I realize fighters are navigated but he talks the talk and doesn't walk the walk. Now that he is with Garcia, that is strike two. I can't see Vasquez beating Donaire after his performance against Arce. I'll say Donaire dominates him.

Chavez Jr. versus Rubio is very interesting. I think the Wild Card fighters are as protected as any but they made a mistake with Khan-Peterson one part of me thinks they might be repeating the mistake against Rubio. This is a hard fight to predict. I can see Jr. looking very good, or taking a beat down in later rounds. I am going to go with my first instinct, Jr. has improved enough to beat Rubio and too much has been made about the Lemieux fight because Lemieux was over rated.

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Donaire comes off like a monster but I am beginning to wonder about his courage. I realize fighters are navigated but he talks the talk and doesn't walk the walk. Now that he is with Garcia, that is strike two. I can't see Vasquez beating Donaire after his performance against Arce. I'll say Donaire dominates him.

Chavez Jr. versus Rubio is very interesting. I think the Wild Card fighters are as protected as any but they made a mistake with Khan-Peterson one part of me thinks they might be repeating the mistake against Rubio. This is a hard fight to predict. I can see Jr. looking very good, or taking a beat down in later rounds. I am going to go with my first instinct, Jr. has improved enough to beat Rubio and too much has been made about the Lemieux fight because Lemieux was over rated.

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Although not the main point of your post, how are wildcard fighters protected? Chavez Jr. is protected. Providnikov, Quillin, Khan, Pacquiao - how are they protected?

Donaire has some good wins on his record and some promotional issues marred his development for a bit. Let's see where he goes from here assuming he beats Vasquez Jr. It'll be a shame if he fights Arce next. If he takes on Nishioka, Rigondeaux, Gamboa, or John (I know long shot), he'll be doing exactly what he should be doing to earn respect.

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Donaire comes off like a monster but I am beginning to wonder about his courage. I realize fighters are navigated but he talks the talk and doesn't walk the walk. Now that he is with Garcia, that is strike two. I can't see Vasquez beating Donaire after his performance against Arce. I'll say Donaire dominates him.

Chavez Jr. versus Rubio is very interesting. I think the Wild Card fighters are as protected as any but they made a mistake with Khan-Peterson one part of me thinks they might be repeating the mistake against Rubio. This is a hard fight to predict. I can see Jr. looking very good, or taking a beat down in later rounds. I am going to go with my first instinct, Jr. has improved enough to beat Rubio and too much has been made about the Lemieux fight because Lemieux was over rated.

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Since losing to Pavlik, Rubio has won 11 straight fights, 10 by KO, I figure Jr. is going to have his hands full Saturday night at the Alamodome in San Antonio, Texas, a good old Mexican shoot out. ;)

Vazquez Jr. shouldn't be much of a problem for Donaire.

Glad box nation is showing JJC Jnr v Rubio and Donaire and Vasquez fight as well as the Cunningham v Hernandez fight this Saturday as I was beginning to regret subscribing to them with their endless repeats.

I see Rubio losing to JCC by controversial decision and Donaire stopping Vasquez.

Im looking forward to covering these 2 fights for my blog as they are the biggest fights of the year so far.

I think Chavez will win a decison , something like 116-112 although it will be interesting to see what happens if Rubio lands a big clean punch?

Regarding Donaire...a late stoppage win for Donaire afte an excellent fight. Vasquez is a good fight although Donaire is just better in every department.

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Im looking forward to covering these 2 fights for my blog as they are the biggest fights of the year so far.

I think Chavez will win a decison , something like 116-112 although it will be interesting to see what happens if Rubio lands a big clean punch?

Regarding Donaire...a late stoppage win for Donaire afte an excellent fight. Vasquez is a good fight although Donaire is just better in every department.

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I will score this one for you. I promise.

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Im looking forward to covering these 2 fights for my blog as they are the biggest fights of the year so far.

I think Chavez will win a decison , something like 116-112 although it will be interesting to see what happens if Rubio lands a big clean punch?

Regarding Donaire...a late stoppage win for Donaire afte an excellent fight. Vasquez is a good fight although Donaire is just better in every department.

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I will score this one for you. I promise.

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cheers mate , no probs , should be 2 good fights

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Donaire comes off like a monster but I am beginning to wonder about his courage. I realize fighters are navigated but he talks the talk and doesn't walk the walk. Now that he is with Garcia, that is strike two. I can't see Vasquez beating Donaire after his performance against Arce. I'll say Donaire dominates him.

Chavez Jr. versus Rubio is very interesting. I think the Wild Card fighters are as protected as any but they made a mistake with Khan-Peterson one part of me thinks they might be repeating the mistake against Rubio. This is a hard fight to predict. I can see Jr. looking very good, or taking a beat down in later rounds. I am going to go with my first instinct, Jr. has improved enough to beat Rubio and too much has been made about the Lemieux fight because Lemieux was over rated.

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Although not the main point of your post, how are wildcard fighters protected? Chavez Jr. is protected. Providnikov, Quillin, Khan, Pacquiao - how are they protected?

Donaire has some good wins on his record and some promotional issues marred his development for a bit. Let's see where he goes from here assuming he beats Vasquez Jr. It'll be a shame if he fights Arce next. If he takes on Nishioka, Rigondeaux, Gamboa, or John (I know long shot), he'll be doing exactly what he should be doing to earn respect.

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I think Provodnikov is pretty new out there so I won't address him. You are right about Khan. I am impressed with his willingness to fight so I can't argue with you about him. Quillin, I think you know he has had an easy path and needs to step up. You didn't mention Kayode but I think he needs to step up. Martirosyan hasn't tested himself in recent fights. Chavez Jr. makes four I think have had it pretty easy and then there is Pacquiao, who used to take all comers but with Margarito and Mosley (and maybe now being a little reticent about Mayweather), that era may be ending (granted Marquez is always a bear so I am on thin ice) but I don't see Pac as a flat out warrior any more.

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Im looking forward to covering these 2 fights for my blog as they are the biggest fights of the year so far.

I think Chavez will win a decison , something like 116-112 although it will be interesting to see what happens if Rubio lands a big clean punch?

Regarding Donaire...a late stoppage win for Donaire afte an excellent fight. Vasquez is a good fight although Donaire is just better in every department.

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Yup, the biggest fights of the year so far, and not on PPV. ;)

I'm not sure if Julio Jr. has taken a flush shot from a guy who can punch, it would make my day to see Rubio flatten Jr..

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

:action: As well as Donaire vs. Wilfredo Vazquez Jr., 2 title fights for us fans, it should be worth a look.

Feb. 4
At San Antonio (HBO): Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. vs. Marco Antonio Rubio, 12 rouds, for Chavez's WBC middleweight title; Nonito Donaire vs. Wilfredo Vazquez Jr., 12 rounds, for vacant WBO junior featherweight title; Vanes Martirosyan vs. Troy Lawry, 10 rounds, junior middleweights.

Rubio should be a solid test for Julio Jr, Rubio is a big, durable, experienced middleweight, who's got decent power and fought better competition. Chavez Jr. figures to outwork Rubio and get a decision, but it will be interesting to see how the fight plays out.
As for Donaire, I don't see Vazquez Jr. being much of a threat, Nonito will put his lights out within 6 rounds.

Who you kats got?

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Must admit I don't know much about Rubio. But if the Chavez Computer spit out his name as an opponent, he must not be much of a threat to take Junior's "0" or worse.... knock him the fukk out.

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Originally Posted by Master

Glad box nation is showing JJC Jnr v Rubio and Donaire and Vasquez fight as well as the Cunningham v Hernandez fight this Saturday as I was beginning to regret subscribing to them with their endless repeats.

I see Rubio losing to JCC by controversial decision and Donaire stopping Vasquez.

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Cunningham vs Hernandez is a Saturday afternoon fight here in the states, if nobody else does i'll start a fight thread if I can find a stream.

I'm glad Box Nation will be showing all those fights in the UK.

cheers

BTW, "Rubio losing to JCC by controversial decision" is a good guess, I figure Rubio will just about need a KO to win this fight. Even though Rubio is also from Mexico, most of the crowd at the Alamodome in San Antonio, here in Texas will be cheering for Chavez Jr.

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:action: As well as Donaire vs. Wilfredo Vazquez Jr., 2 title fights for us fans, it should be worth a look.

Feb. 4
At San Antonio (HBO): Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. vs. Marco Antonio Rubio, 12 rouds, for Chavez's WBC middleweight title; Nonito Donaire vs. Wilfredo Vazquez Jr., 12 rounds, for vacant WBO junior featherweight title; Vanes Martirosyan vs. Troy Lawry, 10 rounds, junior middleweights.

Rubio should be a solid test for Julio Jr, Rubio is a big, durable, experienced middleweight, who's got decent power and fought better competition. Chavez Jr. figures to outwork Rubio and get a decision, but it will be interesting to see how the fight plays out.
As for Donaire, I don't see Vazquez Jr. being much of a threat, Nonito will put his lights out within 6 rounds.

Who you kats got?

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Must admit I don't know much about Rubio. But if the Chavez Computer spit out his name as an opponent, he must not be much of a threat to take Junior's "0" or worse.... knock him the fukk out.

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Rubio is probably the best fighter, with the most power, Julio Jr. has faced so far. Chances are Roach will have Jr. ready, but i'm just hoping Rubio fucks up their preparation on fight night. ;)

I actually think Rubio might pull it off.

At least I hope he does, I can't stand Jr.

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I actually think Rubio might pull it off.

At least I hope he does, I can't stand Jr.

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I never cared much for Chavez Sr either.. If Rubio is able to hurt Jr, we might see a good fight, if not Jr will likely win a controversial decision.

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I actually think Rubio might pull it off.

At least I hope he does, I can't stand Jr.

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I never cared much for Chavez Sr either.. If Rubio is able to hurt Jr, we might see a good fight, if not Jr will likely win a controversial decision.

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Julio Ceaser Chavez Snr was one of the greatest fighters I have ever seen. I love his style of boxing it was beautiful and brutal. You take that back. :)

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I actually think Rubio might pull it off.

At least I hope he does, I can't stand Jr.

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I never cared much for Chavez Sr either.. If Rubio is able to hurt Jr, we might see a good fight, if not Jr will likely win a controversial decision.

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Julio Ceaser Chavez Snr was one of the greatest fighters I have ever seen. I love his style of boxing it was beautiful and brutal. You take that back. :)

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I didn't say Julio Sr. wasn't great in his heyday, check him out clowning Uncle Roger for the WBC super featherweight title when Chavez was just 22, in 1985:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk6iAJqylzE

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y18...19715517_n.jpg

Wilfredo getting his last digs in, before Donaire pummels him.

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Wilfredo getting his last digs in, before Donaire pummels him.

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'Fredo looks like a man whistling in the graveyard. ;)

Donaire fight is beginning to look good from that picture.

Rubio is not a bad fight for Chavez Jr. It's a shame he ducked Martinez and I'm not forgiving him for same, but Rubio is a legit challenge and he deserves some credit if he wins.

Pretty cool Nonito Donaire video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZEUg...eature=related

I'm picking Rubio.

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Donaire fight is beginning to look good from that picture.

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Both fights should be good scraps.

I think Rubio has a good shot at pulling it off. I hope hes not on the payroll though.;)

Chavez wins the early rounds convincingly and then Rubio turns it up mid to late but it'll be too late and Chavez gets a UD.

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Chavez wins the early rounds convincingly and then Rubio turns it up mid to late but it'll be too late and Chavez gets a UD.

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That's a good prediction, i'm just hoping Rubio can hurt Jr. early and take him out of his fight plan.

Listen up pilgrims, this Card starts at 10:00 PM ET tonight on HBO, coming from my neck of the woods @ the Alamodome in San Antonio, Texas.
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They showed the repeat of Cunningham v Hernandez, after that shaky 1st round Steve was going to win that fight. He should do it this time.

I just read on Dan Rafael's twitter, that Chavez Jr got popped for DUI just 2 weeks ago, and that he had to lose 8 pounds in the last 2 days. :11fb8:

Yep, Ring Mag is reporting his arrest as well.


Chavez Jr. arrested for drunk driving | RingTV


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Yep, Ring Mag is reporting his arrest as well.


Chavez Jr. arrested for drunk driving | RingTV


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Julio Jr. needs to set up a fight with Pavlik, "the battle of the drunks".

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Yep, Ring Mag is reporting his arrest as well.


Chavez Jr. arrested for drunk driving | RingTV


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Julio Jr. needs to set up a fight with Pavlik, "the battle of the drunks".

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Beat me to it.

really looking forward to tonight.

what's with the clown glasses?>

I hope Rubio can pull the upset. It would nice and I hate spoiled rich Daddy's boys.

Go thee underdog!

jim lampleys glasses? did you lose a bet?

Nice glasses Jim.