if you had to choose one single performance by wlad which one would you choose as his absolute best boxing match?
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if you had to choose one single performance by wlad which one would you choose as his absolute best boxing match?
His 1 armed thrashing of veteran Ray Austin sticks out for me.
Hmmm if I had to list the ones that stand out...
Chris Byrd 1 - avenged Vitali's defeat, completely dominated/beat up one of the slickest and most underrated HW's of the 90s/early 2000s.
Samuel Peter 1 - Took on the scariest guy in boxing at the time, undefeated, brutal puncher, the guy who was supposed to "save" the HW division. Wlad was fresh on the comeback trail and still looked at as a huge bust with a glass jaw. Gutted through some tough spots and got the job done.
Calvin Brock - The name doesn't mean much anymore but at the time he was looked at as the next possible great American HW, an elite boxer who could punch. Klitschko ends all that hype with a brutal KO.
Ray Austin - Austin was not a great HW by any stretch but was world class at least, Klitschko destroys him in 2 rounds with one hand.
David Haye - Boring fight but I blame that more on Haye. After all the build up, Wlad completely nullified Haye's speed and power, he was aggressive, met Haye head on and was constantly moving forward. Totally outclassed his biggest rival/threat to the point where nobody was asking for a rematch.
Pulev - another solid undefeated HW, Wlad battered him around and ended with a brutal knockout
nice list. I would go with Chris Byrd or David Haye.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Yeah, I have to Agree. He looked great in the Bird fight.
Id say his last. He fought aggressive.
Also, wach, he kept trying to put him away and expended some energy.
On the reverse side, who do you think gave Wlad the most problems other than his losses?
Id say Chambers and it was the combination punching that did it.
Thompson and Brock as well as Peter gave him troubles but to his credit he adapted well.
Wlad's best fight? The Sam Peter win really was a turn the corner for him. I think the Pulev fight is also a turn the corner fight he was aggressive and for the first time he really showed emotion in the win.
leave me the f*^&ck out of this and answer the question! :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I think I'd have to say Haye.
Most 'threats' tend to deteriorate fairly quickly against WK but against Haye, WK faced a guy who was equally as athletic and as equally threatening and boxed immaculately for twelve rounds.
If you're not convinced then consider the fact that according to Haye, a stand up European boxer presents the best style match for him to land his Hayemaker and yet he was beaten so convincingly by it.
Sam Peter.
He was the Nigerian Nightmare. After Wlad, Peter had Ukrainian nightmares
Corrie Sanders.
Other than vs. Pulev, this was before it was he doing all of the clenches...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhoJ15BM1cw
wladimir klitschko SUCKS
Beanflicker has provided the exhaustive list.
Peters because he showed heart and determination of a true great champion.
it has to be prior to sam peter 2 because from that fight forward his fights dont resemble boxing
BS!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Take out the Povetkin fight, which wasn't even mentioned mind you, and he hugs less than both Ali and Ruiz! Fact!
Samuel Peter was about the only other opponent he embraced at length, another shorter bull type fighter.
he has a best performance? sorry, but carrying bums the distance and not letting go of his right hand way too many times does not qualify. Maybe its when corrie sanders ko'ed wlad! lol.
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Originally Posted by #1FightFan
That definitely isn't a factQuote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerBS!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Take out the Povetkin fight, which wasn't even mentioned mind you, and he hugs less than both Ali and Ruiz! Fact!
Samuel Peter was about the only other opponent he embraced at length, another shorter bull type fighter.
can you imagine what Cassius Clay would do with his slashing jab and bicycling about, then darting in with One-Two's to wlad's crystal chin? Then dancing outside, then around again. That's a 6 round fight with Wlad sucking wind and sliced up and quitting on his stool or the doctor says "Son, you'd have lost less blood if you went to fight against Putin."
I don't recall Ken Norton having a rough time with Ali and he was a bit chinnyQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
bcuz norton was a boxer not a big puncher. Ali didnt have to bomb him. Look what ali did to Foreman. Smoked 'em with 1-2's all night, darted in ONE-TWO, nearly gave him whiplash with those 1-2's. Lokk how Muhammad against the big punchers like Lyle, he smoked 'em with one big right hand cuz he knew he HAD to. Look at the leather ali threw aganst Frazier in '71. Bombed him non stop for the first 7 rounds. You think Wlad has Frazier's chin? No damn way.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI don't recall Ken Norton having a rough time with Ali and he was a bit chinnyQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Wlad is a lot, and I mean A LOT faster than guys like Lyle and Foreman, plus his boxing IQ is very high.
Anyway, I mentioned Wlad's best performances in my previous post, and I don't think Jennings will test him too much. Wilder will try to, but that's quite the step up in competition for Deontay as well.
A more realistic situation is Clay bicycling around, slashing at WK with his one-two which has absolutely no effect at all on Wlad who has never felt a punch so weak before, being caught by Wladimir, as he did in practically every fight over and again by his own slower and les reachier opponents and feeling the force of shots like nothing he's ever experienced before, sending that head of his flying into the cheap seats.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Only through stinking the place out like he was in the Tour De France could Ali hope to be conscious for the 1st round bell.
Max stop talking so much exaggerated rubbish.
The fighters that beat Wlad would have lost to Ali.
If Ali stepped into the same ring as Brewster or Sanders he'd have been knocked out.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
The only one he stood any chance of scoring a decision against at any point was Puritty.
And again, Ali never ONCE came close to fighting anybody like Puritty.
Nobody in their right mind would ever bet against Puritty in a fight with Ali. LOOK at him for Christ sake!
nobody beats ali in his prime but Frazier and Marciano. if joe did it then Rock would too.
LOL So Clay can beat all of Wladimir's massive or otherwise elite athletic modern opponents...Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
But we're willing to concede he loses to a handicap fat dwarf and a circus carnie..
You KNOW you don't buy into that Brock!
That crap is so far beyond reality you couldn't have a straight face writing that stuff.
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Originally Posted by Max PowerLOL So Clay can beat all of Wladimir's massive or otherwise elite athletic modern opponents...Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
But we're willing to concede he loses to a handicap fat dwarf and a circus carnie..
You KNOW you don't buy into that Brock!
That crap is so far beyond reality you couldn't have a straight face writing that stuff.
thing is, the only thing we can only really judge wlads boxing on is his carear before peter 2
since peter 2 its not really been boxing
from that evidence id say wlad would be a contender in any era but never champ
@maxpower what did Joe frazier have on March 8, 1971, that Rocky The Brockton Blockbuster Marciano did not have? ANSWER: NOTHING!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerLOL So Clay can beat all of Wladimir's massive or otherwise elite athletic modern opponents...Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
But we're willing to concede he loses to a handicap fat dwarf and a circus carnie..
You KNOW you don't buy into that Brock!
That crap is so far beyond reality you couldn't have a straight face writing that stuff.
thing is, the only thing we can only really judge wlads boxing on is his carear before peter 2
since peter 2 its not really been boxing
from that evidence id say wlad would be a contender in any era but never champ
Marciano wasn't a one-armed fighter as Frazier was---- how many right hands did Frazier throw that night? 5? 6? 10 at most???
Marciano had dynamite in BOTH fists. Marciano KO ali, Round 9
I'm a bit surprised you would rate Ali post 1970's to the kid named Clay. (64-67)Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI don't recall Ken Norton having a rough time with Ali and he was a bit chinnyQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Billy Daniels gave him absolute hell too bad he got cut so bad
I dunno who hit harder out of Marciano or Frazier.. Instinct leads me to believe it's Frazier, but it could possibly be Marciano.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust@maxpower what did Joe frazier have on March 8, 1971, that Rocky The Brockton Blockbuster Marciano did not have? ANSWER: NOTHING!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerLOL So Clay can beat all of Wladimir's massive or otherwise elite athletic modern opponents...Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
But we're willing to concede he loses to a handicap fat dwarf and a circus carnie..
You KNOW you don't buy into that Brock!
That crap is so far beyond reality you couldn't have a straight face writing that stuff.
thing is, the only thing we can only really judge wlads boxing on is his carear before peter 2
since peter 2 its not really been boxing
from that evidence id say wlad would be a contender in any era but never champ
Marciano wasn't a one-armed fighter as Frazier was---- how many right hands did Frazier throw that night? 5? 6? 10 at most???
Marciano had dynamite in BOTH fists. Marciano KO ali, Round 9
I already declared Marciano has a chance.
Let's be fair then and claim Marciano has just as much chance as Frazier if that makes you feel better!
SO WHAT!?
Joe Frazier is possibly the weakest champ in the whole of HW history! And it is utterly pathetic that Ali lost to him and struggled so badly with him, proof of his limitations as a champion boxer!
I've said it before and I'll say it again, you can quote me...
"If Joe Frazier was subjected to years of modern training AND massive amounts of steroids.. then he just MIGHT be able to scratch out an SD over Kimbo Slice."
That is a fact!
None of these guys, Frazier, Rocky or Clay, could ever withstand Calvin Brock!
That is another fact!
Max is either a very long winded elaborate wind up by another user or just a twat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
Kimbo Slice > Joe FrazierQuote:
Originally Posted by rossMax is either a very long winded elaborate wind up by another user or just a twat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
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Max I have the feeling your a young lad on a site somewhere that brings up stuff like this and people feel obliged to slap you round the back of the head and tell you to stop thinking and get on with your job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerKimbo Slice > Joe FrazierQuote:
Originally Posted by rossMax is either a very long winded elaborate wind up by another user or just a twat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
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He truly believes what he writes and is a twat. I see no difference between him and Bill Paxton.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossMax I have the feeling your a young lad on a site somewhere that brings up stuff like this and people feel obliged to slap you round the back of the head and tell you to stop thinking and get on with your job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerKimbo Slice > Joe FrazierQuote:
Originally Posted by rossMax is either a very long winded elaborate wind up by another user or just a twat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
;)
Only difference is I suspect bill punches his wife his spare time while Max punches melons.
Haha!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
Maxboxing. Did you see that on there?