No way out for "timid" Michael Spunks in this one. He'd be quaking in his boots no different than how he quaked in his boots vs Tyson.
Marciano was just as intimidating.
Marciano KO 4
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No way out for "timid" Michael Spunks in this one. He'd be quaking in his boots no different than how he quaked in his boots vs Tyson.
Marciano was just as intimidating.
Marciano KO 4
Marciano manhandles Michael Spinks. Body shots will crack ribs on both sides of that skinny little stomach
Marciano by brutal knockout in round four
Spinks was light heavyweight but did OK against Cooney and I think that version beats Rocky most days of the week.
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Yes as Spinks was versatile, awkward, smart and had the speed to beat Rocky.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustReally?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Agree with smart and versatile and good speed but I don't think he would do any Better Than Ezrard Charles didQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterYes as Spinks was versatile, awkward, smart and had the speed to beat Rocky.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustReally?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
At heavyweight he could do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustAgree with smart and versatile and good speed but I don't think he would do any Better Than Ezrard Charles didQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterYes as Spinks was versatile, awkward, smart and had the speed to beat Rocky.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustReally?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Spinks gave Holmes a hard fight and i think did enough in the rematch no doubt to get the nod Holmes is a calibar of heavyweight Rocky has never saw hell most of lhw Spinks whooped were the size of what Rocky was beating in his day there from different time frames.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Spinks in his prime you could argue was better then Charles at his peak his lhw division is consider one of the deepest and no one even got close to beating him. He never even got knocked down only man to do it plus Charles was not prime and he also had a signs of a sickness.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustAgree with smart and versatile and good speed but I don't think he would do any Better Than Ezrard Charles didQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterYes as Spinks was versatile, awkward, smart and had the speed to beat Rocky.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustReally?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Rock is no Tyson he does not even have the speed to even hit Spinks and his reach is that of a welterweight then factor end he weighed 20 pounds less to boot. Spinks hung with Holmes who went on whoop Mercer and should of got the nod against McCall they fought real hw.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Spinks put on mass with out losing any of his speed and the only guy to ever hurt him was Tyson and Rock did not have the speed or the reach to get a hit off. Louis was 36 Wallcott was 40 and Charles was younger but had a sickness it is the weakest era of heavyweight history.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterAt heavyweight he could do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustAgree with smart and versatile and good speed but I don't think he would do any Better Than Ezrard Charles didQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterYes as Spinks was versatile, awkward, smart and had the speed to beat Rocky.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustReally?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Rocky never had the speed to beat anyone. That was the rap against him. But he always found a way. The guy had perfect timing and beautiful positioning believe me he would catch him he would catch him and remember what Rocky all he needed was one punch. ALSO SpIcnks did not have a very good chin did he. Also comparing spenK's performance against Larry Holmes is a little misleading as Larry Holmes was already an ageing old man by 1986 the guy was 36 years old man. Michael Spinks could not come anywhere near a 26-year old Larry Holmes and you know it that would be a complete mismatch
Rocky for a guy with no speed he did not half knock the snot out of them.
A tough guy who was not supposed to win always found a way.!
A rough tough SOB that's Rocky you can say all you want the undefeated HW Champion of the World.
They always say all they want. Undefeated HW CHAMPEEEEEN OF THE WORLD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
MOTHERFUCKER WOULD WALK YOUR ASS DOWN, DOG THE SHIT OUT OF YOU, 15TH ROUND HE WAS STILL THROWING 100 PUNCHES AND LANDING 25 OF THEM.
The only guy to legit knock Micheal spinks on the canvas was Mike Tyson but he did that to everyone during that time. That does not make Micheal bad the only man to floor him is Tyson. Spinks chin held up to everything else that ever happened to him he had very strong chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Do elite black fighters in the prime ever lose to white fighters ? I can't think of many, if any times that has happened. But in regards to this fight. I'm not sure, meaning, I'm not sure how good Marciano was. I think he was either great or rubbish. No in between. All you know is that he was great in his era. That's all you can say about him.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Would he have beaten a young Cassius Clay ? Depends. You could say if Henry Cooper could catch up and floor Clay heavily then you'd think Rocky could do the same. But then you could also say if if an old Jersey Joe Walcott could outbox Rocky and be way ahead on points until he was knocked out in the 13th round, then you'd think Clay or Spinks could finish the job off.
But the fight would be fought on the outside, with clay winging and slashing and busting up Rocky. But the key to any fight Rocky is in, is whether he can control the range. If he could control the range in a fight with Clay or Spinks, that is, could he get under the jab ? stay out of range of the jabs then dart in and out, then it could get interesting. With a lot of old time fighter like Rocky and Joe Louis they did not move their feet as much.
I just think fighters like Clay and even Spinks would have been too athletic for Rocky, gave him too much movement, but I again, I don't think they would have been able to hurt Rocky. I don't think they hit hard enough to stop Rocky coming forward. So it would have been an interesting fight.
Ezzard Charles was 32 when he fought Marciano. That isn't very old.
Joe Louis was 37. Is that old when fighting a "bum" like Marciano(as some people in history have considered him).. 37 is not old for an all time great HW.
you're right Clay and Spinks could not hurt Marciano. I think he could get under the jab. I think his unorthodox stance would frustrate the living shit out of Clay"s flicking jab. I think Marciano had the perfect style to fight Clay. Clay would land FUCK-ALL jabs or hooks. Marciano on the back foot and punching up from the floor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DbZ6wk5QRc
Joe was 137 years old!
I love that scene.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
No but seriously. Larry Holmes fought prime Tyson at 38. Holmes fought 10 more years after that. George Foreman was just shy of 50 when Briggs got that shit decision. Klitschko is 40. Etc etc.
Ezzard Charles was 32. Joe Louis 37. Archie Moore 38. Joe Walcott 38. Yes they most of them past their prime but hardly old men! Roland LA Starza 27. Don't Cockell 26.
Let's not exaggerate here. Walcott had Marciano DOWN AND OUT with HUGE POWER PUNCHES right on the button.
Round one. He should have finished him, no? Round one. Fresh as a daisy, even a 38 year old. Round one. What's his excuse? He was too old for round one? But not too old to decapitate Marciano like he almost did.
Yea but they did not have the shit we have today that can prolong a fighters career and the nutrition as well 38 and 36 was old way back then dude. As for Charles i have heard accounts of him showing early signs of asl which would latter kill him so he was not in greatest of shape dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustI love that scene.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
No but seriously. Larry Holmes fought prime Tyson at 38. Holmes fought 10 more years after that. George Foreman was just shy of 50 when Briggs got that shit decision. Klitschko is 40. Etc etc.
Ezzard Charles was 32. Joe Louis 37. Archie Moore 38. Joe Walcott 38. Yes they most of them past their prime but hardly old men! Roland LA Starza 27. Don't Cockell 26.
Let's not exaggerate here. Walcott had Marciano DOWN AND OUT with HUGE POWER PUNCHES right on the button.
Round one. He should have finished him, no? Round one. Fresh as a daisy, even a 38 year old. Round one. What's his excuse? He was too old for round one? But not too old to decapitate Marciano like he almost did.
37 was very old in those days it was like being 103 now, listen to the barber!
It's not just the nutrition and training stuff, but the nature of boxing back then. None of those guys had the luxury of preserving their body and taking full training camps for every fight.. 38 in Walcotts case was clearly very old.
I have no idea how Marciano would have handled Michael Spinks, they both could have easily been great cruiserweights and that probably would have been a hell of a fight there. I don't think the Tyson fight has that much bearing, but I also feel Iron Mike would have pummeled and stopped Marciano.
Tyson at 222 vs Rocky at 186.
Seems a mismatch, 40 pounds difference.
Not to mention when fighters have had 50 to 100 bouts because they have to feed them and there families the wear and tear on guys in the 50's was rough. Now fighters after they become champs fight a few times a year and have a lot of time to recover from the fights before hand.
Yeah that and more brutal habits in the ring: acceptable rabbit shits, karate Chops, back hands, elbows, "wrist bone" shots as @Andre called them, thumbing, no neutral corner rule, 15 plus rounds, no standing 8, no stopping a fight etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
As was Tyson vs Spinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Yes Brock we know. And in your world the Rock would fight crime, win a Noble Peace Prize, win an Oscar and cure cancer. But I believe Spinks would beat the Brockton Blockbuster by TKO on cuts.
Spinks would bow out after a few crushing body shots. He would be wincing every time Marciano unleashed. Spinks would last until late, maybe Round 10, 11 but Marciano hunts his ASS DOWN AND LOWERS THE BOOM. NO ESCAPING IT. Granite chinned Rocky would withstand the light-hitting Spinks all night long.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09
Remember how many punches landed on Cooney?
Rocky would not be able to take half them.
Rocky would not even be HIT with half of them. Cooney is A HUGE TARGET! Do you remember how Rocky would crouch and lean? Not easy to hit!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Yes I remember Rocky being a smart defensive fighter. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustRocky would not even be HIT with half of them. Cooney is A HUGE TARGET! Do you remember how Rocky would crouch and lean? Not easy to hit!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
That is just a summer lawn barbecue Legend that he had no defenses or that his defenses were poor. Marciano was very good at slipping the jab the way he leaned back and to his right and staying on the back foot all the time and getting very low. He was definitely not easy to hit it with the jab or the left hook. In 49 fights he was only dropped twice. Once for a two-count and once for a three-count. Jersey Joe Walcott certainly hit's a lot harder did Michael SpinksQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterYes I remember Rocky being a smart defensive fighter. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustRocky would not even be HIT with half of them. Cooney is A HUGE TARGET! Do you remember how Rocky would crouch and lean? Not easy to hit!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Rocky was down twice and cut up many time. Spinks would have sliced and diced the Rock like a Nutra Bullet smoothie maker.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustThat is just a summer lawn barbecue Legend that he had no defenses or that his defenses were poor. Marciano was very good at slipping the jab the way he leaned back and to his right and staying on the back foot all the time and getting very low. He was definitely not easy to hit it with the jab or the left hook. In 49 fights he was only dropped twice. Once for a two-count and once for a three-count. Jersey Joe Walcott certainly hit's a lot harder did Michael SpinksQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterYes I remember Rocky being a smart defensive fighter. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustRocky would not even be HIT with half of them. Cooney is A HUGE TARGET! Do you remember how Rocky would crouch and lean? Not easy to hit!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Spencs would do No Better Than Ezra Charles did. Spancs would be a fool to get into an exchange with Marciano. I am sure punch for punch if they started to trade blows that spinks woold witherQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterRocky was down twice and cut up many time. Spinks would have sliced and diced the Rock like a Nutra Bullet smoothie maker.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustThat is just a summer lawn barbecue Legend that he had no defenses or that his defenses were poor. Marciano was very good at slipping the jab the way he leaned back and to his right and staying on the back foot all the time and getting very low. He was definitely not easy to hit it with the jab or the left hook. In 49 fights he was only dropped twice. Once for a two-count and once for a three-count. Jersey Joe Walcott certainly hit's a lot harder did Michael SpinksQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterYes I remember Rocky being a smart defensive fighter. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustRocky would not even be HIT with half of them. Cooney is A HUGE TARGET! Do you remember how Rocky would crouch and lean? Not easy to hit!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
There are worse and more over rated boxers than Marciano.........
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I think....
Worse: Bruce seldonQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
More overrated: finito el dinamita
How poor is your spell checker?Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustSpencs would do No Better Than Ezra Charles did. Spancs would be a fool to get into an exchange with Marciano. I am sure punch for punch if they started to trade blows that spinks woold witherQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterRocky was down twice and cut up many time. Spinks would have sliced and diced the Rock like a Nutra Bullet smoothie maker.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustThat is just a summer lawn barbecue Legend that he had no defenses or that his defenses were poor. Marciano was very good at slipping the jab the way he leaned back and to his right and staying on the back foot all the time and getting very low. He was definitely not easy to hit it with the jab or the left hook. In 49 fights he was only dropped twice. Once for a two-count and once for a three-count. Jersey Joe Walcott certainly hit's a lot harder did Michael SpinksQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterYes I remember Rocky being a smart defensive fighter. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustRocky would not even be HIT with half of them. Cooney is A HUGE TARGET! Do you remember how Rocky would crouch and lean? Not easy to hit!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
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Originally Posted by MasterHow poor is your spell checker?Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustSpencs would do No Better Than Ezra Charles did. Spancs would be a fool to get into an exchange with Marciano. I am sure punch for punch if they started to trade blows that spinks woold witherQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterRocky was down twice and cut up many time. Spinks would have sliced and diced the Rock like a Nutra Bullet smoothie maker.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustThat is just a summer lawn barbecue Legend that he had no defenses or that his defenses were poor. Marciano was very good at slipping the jab the way he leaned back and to his right and staying on the back foot all the time and getting very low. He was definitely not easy to hit it with the jab or the left hook. In 49 fights he was only dropped twice. Once for a two-count and once for a three-count. Jersey Joe Walcott certainly hit's a lot harder did Michael SpinksQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterYes I remember Rocky being a smart defensive fighter. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustRocky would not even be HIT with half of them. Cooney is A HUGE TARGET! Do you remember how Rocky would crouch and lean? Not easy to hit!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master