Best post-fight interview ever.
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Best post-fight interview ever.
The only concern I have for Toney is that he says why even bother after getting drubbed here and balloons up to 300 + lbs and slips into a diabetic coma.
Is he making excuses? Hopefully not and ends it.
Listen to be fair to Lebedev, a lot of people thought Toney would give him a boxing lesson tonight and he went out there and dominated. However, unless its Tarver, enough of fighting the senior circuit. I mean really.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
:LOS:
To be fair I think boxing fans were really just hoping Toney could manage to regain some kind of form after trimming down, and had he been able to whatsoever he probably would've won. For as horribe as Toney has looked the past few years this was a new level of shite that noone could have been sure of except for people who really had some inside information as to how Toney looked in camp or something. How sad that he still looked soft as hell at 200, I posted a few months ago that his pituitary gland among other things were likely just fucked and the fact that his body composition was the same after shedding 40 lbs is pretty solid evidence of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by p4pkingTo be fair I think boxing fans were really just hoping Toney could manage to regain some kind of form after trimming down, and had he been able to whatsoever he probably would've won. For as horribe as Toney has looked the past few years this was a new level of shite that noone could have been sure of except for people who really had some inside information as to how Toney looked in camp or something. How sad that he still looked soft as hell at 200, I posted a few months ago that his pituitary gland among other things were likely just fucked and the fact that his body composition was the same after shedding 40 lbs is pretty solid evidence of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Does that happen with age?
Nah man, a lot of people were partial to Toney and HOPED that he could muster up some kind of last hurrah after losing the weight. If he had any of his faculties in tact he would have given the guy a boxing lesson, Lebedev sucks imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratListen to be fair to Lebedev, a lot of people thought Toney would give him a boxing lesson tonight and he went out there and dominated. However, unless its Tarver, enough of fighting the senior circuit. I mean really.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
:LOS:
I just can't get over just how out of sorts Toney was. Losing is fair enough, but the number of times he fell off balance or was swinging and missing by a yard is just mind blowing.
At least Jones looked very sharp in spots, but Toney looked like an OAP from the off or at least after the 'leg injury'.
He clearly did something to his leg early on and I thought that was a factor. But if not, then it is incredible how someone as skillful as Toney has fallen.
Just nothing at all, I would have expected him to at least land something but there was almost nothing coming back that wasn't a hayemaker that made him fall over.
Not really to that extent, it happens with repeated trauma to the head and terribly low testerone and growth hormones levels. With practically any other type of athlete or even many fighters they are still able to maintain a reasonable muscle mass many years after they lose their faculties. It's not as if Toney didnt put it any work to lose the weight he is just a ruin.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxerQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingTo be fair I think boxing fans were really just hoping Toney could manage to regain some kind of form after trimming down, and had he been able to whatsoever he probably would've won. For as horribe as Toney has looked the past few years this was a new level of shite that noone could have been sure of except for people who really had some inside information as to how Toney looked in camp or something. How sad that he still looked soft as hell at 200, I posted a few months ago that his pituitary gland among other things were likely just fucked and the fact that his body composition was the same after shedding 40 lbs is pretty solid evidence of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Does that happen with age?
I agree with p4pking, I think Lebedev is shit too.
I think this is simply testament to the end of James Toney. At 42 he simply was too old and had been too fat and for far too long. I was worried that he was going to be stopped on at least a dozen occasions. That is not James Toney.
He was wobbling all over the place and looked spent coming into the championship rounds. To think how just a few years ago that was when Toney would come on and would dazzle his opponents with combinations and counter so effectively off of the ropes.
Today it was all gone. He could slip punches, but the quality was gone and he could not counter. He was reduced to being a one trick pony with the right hand counter being his only weapon. And it wasn't much of a weapon.
I'm gutted really.
I believe what there needs to be, is a washed up/shot, American old farts Super-six tourney, with Toney, RJJ, Tarver, Hopkins, Holyfield, and Tyson all participating. The winner gets free care at a nursing home of their choice.
However, I am convinced that Toney hurt his leg and no way would he ever dream of pulling a Hopkins. You saw him looking weird early on after doing that. I said as much earlier, he must have hurt his leg. No way could he have just got that shot. He seldom pivoted correctly and was continuously falling over.
Why be gutted? This was totally predictable, especially with the odds being 13-1 in Levedev's favor. As for James, he's none the worse for wear after this one, and got final decent payday, no need to feel sorry for his ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Dunno about that Miles; I think he was definetly that shot, just a physical wreck of the highest order.
Tarver doesn't really belong in the same breath as Toney Roy or Holyfield at this point, I thought he still looked perfectly capable against Green and he did have a much later start to his career. Age is the only thing he shares with those guys and I'd like to see Lebedev take him on, I think Tarver wins that one.
When one of your favourite fighters loses badly you feel bad too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axWhy be gutted? This was totally predictable, especially with the odds being 13-1 in Levedev's favor. As for James, he's none the worse for wear after this one, and got final decent payday, no need to feel sorry for his ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
It was the same thing with Hatton/Pac, I get into it all and really will them to do these incredible things and when it falls flat you feel a bit bleak.
It's not very nice seeing James Toney being wobbled all over the shop by a fighter that will never accomplish a quarter of what someone like Toney has.
Perhaps, but I don't want to see Toney fight anymore. I don't want him to take any more head shots and I want him to quit talking about the 'Bitchko sisters'. I never want to see him stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I'm still flabbergasted how he was wobbling after throwing punches and receiving punches that really didn't seem that hard and would certainly have never phased him in the past and yet had him reeling everywhere.
The timing for me was perhaps the most shocking thing and the telegraphing of punches. He would throw a punch and miss by massive distances. You could see when he was throwing that it could never land and for him to be unable to see that despite all his knowledge and experience. It was surreal. The fight was extremely surreal.
It was a Toney fight like no other and it has to be the end.