Printable View
That sounds more conspiracy theorist than Alex Jones and his tinfoil hat, mate. "Planned a long time ago"? Who planned it on the poor Sheeple, mate? The Illuminati? Fuck, Beanz, don't be so wishy washy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Because this was a revolt planned a long time ago. The media are a massive part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
The revolt was planned a long time ago but you won't hear much about it in the mainstream news. I have been moaning about the media and their treatment of Corbyn for months. This rebellion is a planned one and none of their justifications make any sense. Corbyn is extremely popular. The media doesn't have the effect it think it has. People know the truth and what the fear machine is now.
I know that. We always knew it. But now when it fits others' agendas it is suddenly not tinfoil at all but quite, quite common sense. Had Jones said it, well, ya know, .....rather inconvenient wouldn't it have been.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Oh, for sure. Alex Jones is always a crackpot and that just doesn't wash anymore. The alternative views are out of the bottle now and you see with the referendum fear failing and the inability to demonise Trump that the old media doesn't work anymore. Fingers crossed Corbyn can stick this out and the Brits can see through and resist the nonsense. Corbyn would be the best thing to happen to the UK since defeating Hitler. It's that important and that's what it's all about. They cannot stand the prospect of an end to neo liberalism and a return to proper 'fuddy duddy' values.
I think Corbyn will not win Labour the general election and for the party he must stand down because the people we need to vote for the party will not vote for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzBecause this was a revolt planned a long time ago. The media are a massive part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I think you are wrong on this mate. Nye Bevan was correct years ago when he said "the right wing of the Labour Party would rather see it fall into perpetual decline than abide by its democratic decisions.” Don't let them fool you. Benn and Hodge etc have nowhere near the support that Corbyn does among the electorate willing and likely to vote at a general election. It is not coincidence that the Blairites spend more time writing newspaper columns then campaigning and that the turnout in their constituencies to support the remain campaign was so low. It is only under him that the scapegoating of migrants, something that has even become rampant on this forum and the rise of racism would be addressed. My friends kids were asked the day after the result "when are you going home?" (mixed race) and the Polish Center which has been in Plymouth for over 100 years has had "Go home Vermin" sprayed over it in the last few days. It's not a game for those of us living in the UK and the Labour supporters that are part and parcel of the problem with the same thinking would not vote for Labour anyway unless they became so right wing that you may as well vote Lib Dem or Tory. The fact is the Tories have moved so far to the right that only a radical left position as occupied by Corbyn would re balance the situation and repair some of the damage done. I was at an FE college last week and my friend who teaches there asked his students who they would vote for in an election and the overwhelming majority said Corbyn. The next generation want change and he is offering that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think Corbyn will not win Labour the general election and for the party he must stand down because the people we need to vote for the party will not vote for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzBecause this was a revolt planned a long time ago. The media are a massive part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I really hope you are right but he has the Blairites, right wing media, Labour voters that went to UKIP and snp, and moderate tories to win over and I can not a see that happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzI think you are wrong on this mate. Nye Bevan was correct years ago when he said "the right wing of the Labour Party would rather see it fall into perpetual decline than abide by its democratic decisions.” Don't let them fool you. Benn and Hodge etc have nowhere near the support that Corbyn does among the electorate willing and likely to vote at a general election. It is not coincidence that the Blairites spend more time writing newspaper columns then campaigning and that the turnout in their constituencies to support the remain campaign was so low. It is only under him that the scapegoating of migrants, something that has even become rampant on this forum and the rise of racism would be addressed. My friends kids were asked the day after the result "when are you going home?" (mixed race) and the Polish Center which has been in Plymouth for over 100 years has had "Go home Vermin" sprayed over it in the last few days. It's not a game for those of us living in the UK and the Labour supporters that are part and parcel of the problem with the same thinking would not vote for Labour anyway unless they became so right wing that you may as well vote Lib Dem or Tory. The fact is the Tories have moved so far to the right that only a radical left position as occupied by Corbyn would re balance the situation and repair some of the damage done. I was at an FE college last week and my friend who teaches there asked his students who they would vote for in an election and the overwhelming majority said Corbyn. The next generation want change and he is offering that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think Corbyn will not win Labour the general election and for the party he must stand down because the people we need to vote for the party will not vote for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzBecause this was a revolt planned a long time ago. The media are a massive part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Are you guys in the same boat as we. Election or campaign or work your way up the ladder politicians spout out some great ideas but when in office its usually status quo. The us stock market gained back almost all the loses since the brexit vote which I didn't think would happen so fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI really hope you are right but he has the Blairites, right wing media, Labour voters that went to UKIP and snp, and moderate tories to win over and I can not a see that happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzI think you are wrong on this mate. Nye Bevan was correct years ago when he said "the right wing of the Labour Party would rather see it fall into perpetual decline than abide by its democratic decisions.” Don't let them fool you. Benn and Hodge etc have nowhere near the support that Corbyn does among the electorate willing and likely to vote at a general election. It is not coincidence that the Blairites spend more time writing newspaper columns then campaigning and that the turnout in their constituencies to support the remain campaign was so low. It is only under him that the scapegoating of migrants, something that has even become rampant on this forum and the rise of racism would be addressed. My friends kids were asked the day after the result "when are you going home?" (mixed race) and the Polish Center which has been in Plymouth for over 100 years has had "Go home Vermin" sprayed over it in the last few days. It's not a game for those of us living in the UK and the Labour supporters that are part and parcel of the problem with the same thinking would not vote for Labour anyway unless they became so right wing that you may as well vote Lib Dem or Tory. The fact is the Tories have moved so far to the right that only a radical left position as occupied by Corbyn would re balance the situation and repair some of the damage done. I was at an FE college last week and my friend who teaches there asked his students who they would vote for in an election and the overwhelming majority said Corbyn. The next generation want change and he is offering that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think Corbyn will not win Labour the general election and for the party he must stand down because the people we need to vote for the party will not vote for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzBecause this was a revolt planned a long time ago. The media are a massive part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Probably happened because Brexit was a charade and people are realising the UK will take years to leave if ever. A bit like what happened in Greece maybe. They should leave but I will believe it when I see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusAre you guys in the same boat as we. Election or campaign or work your way up the ladder politicians spout out some great ideas but when in office its usually status quo. The us stock market gained back almost all the loses since the brexit vote which I didn't think would happen so fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI really hope you are right but he has the Blairites, right wing media, Labour voters that went to UKIP and snp, and moderate tories to win over and I can not a see that happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzI think you are wrong on this mate. Nye Bevan was correct years ago when he said "the right wing of the Labour Party would rather see it fall into perpetual decline than abide by its democratic decisions.” Don't let them fool you. Benn and Hodge etc have nowhere near the support that Corbyn does among the electorate willing and likely to vote at a general election. It is not coincidence that the Blairites spend more time writing newspaper columns then campaigning and that the turnout in their constituencies to support the remain campaign was so low. It is only under him that the scapegoating of migrants, something that has even become rampant on this forum and the rise of racism would be addressed. My friends kids were asked the day after the result "when are you going home?" (mixed race) and the Polish Center which has been in Plymouth for over 100 years has had "Go home Vermin" sprayed over it in the last few days. It's not a game for those of us living in the UK and the Labour supporters that are part and parcel of the problem with the same thinking would not vote for Labour anyway unless they became so right wing that you may as well vote Lib Dem or Tory. The fact is the Tories have moved so far to the right that only a radical left position as occupied by Corbyn would re balance the situation and repair some of the damage done. I was at an FE college last week and my friend who teaches there asked his students who they would vote for in an election and the overwhelming majority said Corbyn. The next generation want change and he is offering that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think Corbyn will not win Labour the general election and for the party he must stand down because the people we need to vote for the party will not vote for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzBecause this was a revolt planned a long time ago. The media are a massive part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
It will take 2 years to leave and it will not be total, a deal will be made.
Huntington bank that bought out the company I work for took a hit due to Brexit. So sad, but you nailed it on status quo politicians.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusAre you guys in the same boat as we. Election or campaign or work your way up the ladder politicians spout out some great ideas but when in office its usually status quo. The us stock market gained back almost all the loses since the brexit vote which I didn't think would happen so fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI really hope you are right but he has the Blairites, right wing media, Labour voters that went to UKIP and snp, and moderate tories to win over and I can not a see that happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzI think you are wrong on this mate. Nye Bevan was correct years ago when he said "the right wing of the Labour Party would rather see it fall into perpetual decline than abide by its democratic decisions.” Don't let them fool you. Benn and Hodge etc have nowhere near the support that Corbyn does among the electorate willing and likely to vote at a general election. It is not coincidence that the Blairites spend more time writing newspaper columns then campaigning and that the turnout in their constituencies to support the remain campaign was so low. It is only under him that the scapegoating of migrants, something that has even become rampant on this forum and the rise of racism would be addressed. My friends kids were asked the day after the result "when are you going home?" (mixed race) and the Polish Center which has been in Plymouth for over 100 years has had "Go home Vermin" sprayed over it in the last few days. It's not a game for those of us living in the UK and the Labour supporters that are part and parcel of the problem with the same thinking would not vote for Labour anyway unless they became so right wing that you may as well vote Lib Dem or Tory. The fact is the Tories have moved so far to the right that only a radical left position as occupied by Corbyn would re balance the situation and repair some of the damage done. I was at an FE college last week and my friend who teaches there asked his students who they would vote for in an election and the overwhelming majority said Corbyn. The next generation want change and he is offering that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think Corbyn will not win Labour the general election and for the party he must stand down because the people we need to vote for the party will not vote for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzBecause this was a revolt planned a long time ago. The media are a massive part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
They were protesting in London about leaving the EU, pity they never protested when the Tory's got back in wankers.
the tories have dodged a bullet....bwahahaha :yay2::dancer::domo-kun::cheerleader::Bannanacow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Strange bunch protesting about leaving the EU ! the Tory's are more damaging than the EU but they do nothing.
They blame people were miss lead rubbish they ignored immigration simple, they have to remember uncontrolled immigration has ruined our community.
People are not thick this has been extremely damaging to our culture and our way of life.
Enough was enough we don't have housing or infrastructure go to Wrexham AAE on a weekend see how many pissed up EU immigrants they are dealing with.
I have friends working in AAE and ambulance crew.
Not BS all true so given the chance Wrexham area voted to leave.
It is very strange. It seems to be middle class/'educated' young people who are most upset about the referendum. Maybe they will think differently after they get a few years in the real world. It's easy to be a social justice warrior when you are unmarried and still living with your parents after a semester studying sociology.