Yes, I was half goading Miles but there is some truth in my assertionsQuote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
Printable View
Yes, I was half goading Miles but there is some truth in my assertionsQuote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
I think both Miles and Rhun have made very salient points.
I am utterly devastated tonight.
This Labour is not my Labour but fuck I at least wanted to see some movement towards a fair and equitable society but it has got worse.
Ed Miliband came into the leadership of the Labour Party on the back of a hefty trade union vote, but have we seen the genuine socialist policies that would really get the trade unions on board? No. The fact is, it isn't money men and shady deals that keep Labour shimmying in the middle of the road, its an attempt to draw the middle ground voters, and it clearly hasn't worked.
I started hitting the beers hard after that exit poll, it just seemed to be so at odds with what I want to happen that I can't see an ending I'm going to enjoy in this evening.
Yes, it is much worse than I could have imagined. I thought at least the SNP would be enough to force Milliband to behave a little better and that Labour would have more seats. But this is just too much. Like Ryan, I don't think I can sit through several hours of this moaning and using an inordinate number of expletives. It's not healthy. I am distressed about it, obviously not so much for myself, but because I know plenty of people living through that system and it just isn't right. People shouldn't be faced with suck it up or leave as an option. I think this result is essentially more of that. People have done nothing wrong, it is the system that is wrong. I need a walk, the BBC is suffocating me.
It's not over yet. If the Tories an Lib Dems together do not hit 326 then we will not accept their legitimacy. They will tell us we need to but the anti-tories do not need to. Their Queen's speech will get voted down. NO TO TORIES!
I think it's the combination of Tories, DUP and UKIP that need to fall short of 326. Doubt Lib Dem will go back into the coalition for another five years, especially after the way they're going to be decimated.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
No you are quite right Rhun. My oversight.Quote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhunI think it's the combination of Tories, DUP and UKIP that need to fall short of 326. Doubt Lib Dem will go back into the coalition for another five years, especially after the way they're going to be decimated.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
If the Lib Dems get around 25-30 you might see it happen, but that's trebling the exit poll. The more I think about Labour's stance of not dealing with the SNP makes me think that swing would be far better for Labour.
Well, I've been for a 2 mile walk and feel a little better, but that BBC is tough to stomach. I suppose one of the good things, is that the snake Lib Dems are likely in terminal decline. If Nick Clegg were to be mauled by a wild tiger, I cannot say I would feel any kind of human emotion. If it were to happen to David Cameron I would be shocked and appalled. How on earth could a tiger ever go near such a plastic, jelly filled shell of an android? Set the tiger loose in the City of London and you have a new national hero. Set a group of tigers loose and you have liberation and change. Does anyone have the keys to London Zoo? I bet Jimmy Saville had a pair.....
I think that initial shock and disappointment is over now. It is what it is and that's just the way it is. Let's just see how bad it is and take hope from Scotland's uprising. There are far more non-Tory outcasts than Tories out there, I am sure of that.
BTW, Boris Johnson what a complete and Utter Cunt. Horrible, cruel, and despicable man. Potential PM material right there. Bonkers.
Haha, fuck off Vince Cable you privatisation supporting piece of trash! Boris Johnson is such a freak, so of course the BBC give him his podium and ask him if he will run as PM. Propaganda, propaganda, propaganda. Privatise the BBC! It is people paying for Tory propaganda! They evade so many obvious things as it is obvious what they are all about.
Just a final post as I know I am hogging the thread while many of you sleep. It was a disaster for Labour and in many ways they deserved it. They haven't changed and I think people are still angry and bitter and they should be. Blair walks free, the banks run amok, education costs a bomb, Iraq is a fireball and people know who did all that. However, in saying that, voting Tory is a diseased thing to be doing. You can be angry and say angry things, but for your heart to go through with it suggests you are not very moral.
In summary, the Lib Dems are dust and they will never come back. The SNP is a force and they are going nowhere. Labour is in trouble. If anything, I think it would be good for Labour to turn to dust now too. The party hasn't changed and for that they should be eradicated. There needs to be a new left and it should work in unison with Scotland, Wales and Ireland.
I truly believe that people, given the chance would have voted for a Labour Party, but they were not given a Labour Party to vote for. SNP took on some of the poses of Labour and won. The same could happen to England. There needs to be a party of the left that will reject the EU. Working people clearly care about immigration and if you would align it with nationalisation and the politics of Tony Benn, I think people would eat it up. A party of Labour, of Labour rights and the organisation of Labour and of controlling labour markets in their interests. Plus getting rid of the monarchy to pull in some of the anarchists. That will be the revolution. Not voting Labour, but destroying Labour and the rise of real Labour and nationalisation and closing off open labour markets that big business loves so much. And massive land redistribution. Nobody needs more than one home, nobody. And certainly not you you Royal scumbag.
Last night when the show kicked off, what odds would you have got that Ed, Nick and Nige would have all walked the plank by lunchtime the next day?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
50/1 as a serious guess.
On that subject apologies about those 'tips' but No way to see that coming. :cool:
Don't know, but that they have all gone is astonishing. How is Cameron the bomber of Libya, the defender of bankers bonuses, the killer of the poor, the last man standing.....heck, he has a majority. This just isn't right. People don't seem to care as long as their house price is rising.
the sheer selfishness of people nowadays transcends any kind of overall conscience of what the capitalist West is doing to developing countries around the world
Your heart goes out for him.
I must admit that much of my talk this evening out here would have me down as a domestic extremist. I view the UK as an occupied nation. Socialist values are denied a discussion by the very party that was set up to have them. In that context, parliamentary politics has failed. Then you factor in the EU dictatorship. It's not exactly inspiring hope. After today, I have no faith in an EU referendum either. The people have been infected with something that me being away so long, is something I do not get.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
He's an MP though. Farage isn't. Haha indeed.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
He's an MP though. Farage isn't. Haha indeed.
Well true but I am glad that Labour lost , so that my consolation I guess.
Whats yours ?
Have you ever been poor, or homeless?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
He's an MP though. Farage isn't. Haha indeed.
Well true but I am glad that Labour lost , so that my consolation I guess.
Whats yours ?
I guess not.
I am much smarter than you and found other ways, but the problem is the entrenched likes of you.
You are the problem, Al.
You think you are safe now, but in a revolution people know who and where you are.
I know I am different. I do not play the same games. I want a rise up for Goodness Sake. It just makes me angry.
On that point, whatever. I am clearly the man with morals.
The election is over. I was only playing a game. Revolution. From now on no games. It was never a game.
Mind you, that was all ironic. And I would never share an ounce of truth amongst people who would call me a cunt.
Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfHave you ever been poor, or homeless?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
He's an MP though. Farage isn't. Haha indeed.
Well true but I am glad that Labour lost , so that my consolation I guess.
Whats yours ?
I guess not.
I am much smarter than you and found other ways, but the problem is the entrenched likes of you.
You are the problem, Al.
You think you are safe now, but in a revolution people know who and where you are.
I did not vote Tory , nor Labour. The smell of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown is to strong to stomach.
[QUOTE=Gandalf;1324715]Have you ever been poor, or homeless?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
He's an MP though. Farage isn't. Haha indeed.
Well true but I am glad that Labour lost , so that my consolation I guess.
Whats yours ?
I guess not.
I am much smarter than you and found other ways, but the problem is the entrenched likes of you.
You are the problem, Al.
You think you are safe now, but in a revolution people know who and where you are.[/QUOTE]
You are a very bitter little man indeed.
My consolation is that Farage lost. That UKIP have one measly MP. That UKIP supporters can stop claiming that UKIP are 'saying what people are thinking' when clearly they are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
He's an MP though. Farage isn't. Haha indeed.
Well true but I am glad that Labour lost , so that my consolation I guess.
Whats yours ?
My other consolation is that of those that voted 33% voted for the Tories but 67% did not. So there are still more people that hate the Tories than like them.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanMy consolation is that Farage lost. That UKIP have one measly MP. That UKIP supporters can stop claiming that UKIP are 'saying what people are thinking' when clearly they are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
He's an MP though. Farage isn't. Haha indeed.
Well true but I am glad that Labour lost , so that my consolation I guess.
Whats yours ?
My other consolation is that of those that voted 33% voted for the Tories but 67% did not. So there are still more people that hate the Tories than like them.
I must be in the minority that hate both Labour and the Tories then.
I am not bitter at all , I cast my vote that's all you can do.
Messina trounces Axelrod in British elections - Nick Gass and Kevin Robillard - POLITICO
....yick, but hey you guys have fun with all that
5 more years, in that time more privatisation of public services, attacking the poor and vulnerable, further tax breaks for the super rich.
....and the Liberals from the US helped themQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Bloody liberals.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong....and the Liberals from the US helped themQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
You backed out of a bet you made with yourself! Strong moral character indeed... pfthh!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
UKIP actually got about as many votes as the SNP and Liberal Democrat parties COMBINED but got fewer seats. Guess UKIP people need to move to be in the same districts.....madness
The first past the post system has always ensured that the make up of parliament is not properly representative or democratic
Green Party - 1,132,607 Votes = 1 MP
SNP - 1,454,436 Votes = 56 MPs
Yeah that is pretty crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
UKIP 3,773,402 = 1 MP
Liberal Democrats 2,322,704 = 8 MP (loss of 46 seats, ouch)
True about FTPT but the comparison to SNP is a bit misleading. Their 1.4 million votes were spread across 59 seats rather than the Green's 1.1mil spread across 650.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongYeah that is pretty crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
UKIP 3,773,402 = 1 MP
Liberal Democrats 2,322,704 = 8 MP (loss of 46 seats, ouch)
That is a better example of the vagaries of FPTP.